Your opinion

[Rare Game Hunter DBN]

I was wondering if I could get your opinion on something. If a game you've been waiting for is finally released in your country, does it matter to you if things were taken out due to censorship or would you prefer an uncut version? I personally think games are a form of art, and should never be altered in any way shape or form. But a lot of people out there (especially parents) disagree with me. So I want your opinion.

Please keep the thread clean and I don't want any heated arguments between posters.

[Piercless]

I'll just simply tuck this in.

[GYAKUTEN TITTIES]

Censorship in general is stupid

[Crystal Juice]

I dont care as long as I get that game

[1Sunder]

If its not uncut then wtf is the point in playing? If it was edited....that means you don't even have the "real" version. Because obviously it was meant to be the way it was not censored. And itd actually be easy for you to get the real version anyway. All you'd have to do is order it.

[Soaring Sheep]

I'm not against censorship. If something is potentially offensive enough to harm sales, then I don't see why it shouldn't be cut out.

The relationship between a lot of developers and localization companies is also probably better than you'd think. I don't think any of the localization companies I can name have their own programming staff, so the script/changes all have to go back through the parent company before the game can even be published.

[Akaru Renuji]

Like it's been said, censorship in general is stupid. Take Bravely Default for instance, they changed both the outfits and the ages ( I.E. two 'safety nets'). When they could have raised the ages to have kept the outfits, or got rid of them entirely and kept the ages the same. Then you have outfits like this and this that are as modest as can be but they still got taken out. What really strikes me as funny as they are willing to fix the Bravo Bikini outfit but they can't take the time to do it with Bravo Bunny.

Then you have those niche/Japanese games that people think people are going to go out and harm someone. If that were at all true, then we should also start believing that "Video games create violent people" as well as "video games create molesters". You can't believe in one without the other, and believing in one over the other happens to be silly. Let people play what they want to play if you're not interested in it then don't play it. If they aren't going out and harming people why does it matter?

To this day, I still haven't seen a legit 'reason' why a game should be censored. Unless you count Manhut for all it's blood & gore so it wouldn't see an 'AO' rating. And, before people bring up games like Monster Monpiece that was going to see a 'T" rating but the devs opted for an 'M" rating for it's themes so it was never going to be rated 'AO'. Most of this censorship is because of "think of the kids" mentality. Even though I've yet to see a kid who'd pick up an extensive JRPG like Bravely Default.

P.S. None of those erratic JRPG/Niche games even come close to actual Child Pornography. If they did then games like Senran Kagura, Neptunia etc. should also be seen the same way. Or is the only reason because some games feature Loli's and the other games don't? Seems rather silly to me because in their original forms they still feature 'underage' characters. Perhaps, it's the looks of these characters that give people that conclusion.

Tid-bit: Actual Child Pornography happens to both be illegal in the states and now in Japan. Except that fiction hasn't seen itself be banned. That only tells me that they aren't correlated and why would fiction have a say in the matter anyways? If they were in any way related then we wouldn't be seeing games like Neptunia or Senran Kagura from what I've seen. If you still think Japan is the 'freakiest' place on Earth then search for "Dinosaur Erotica" on Amazon. I'll give you a hint, it's not made in Japan.

[Bleshoo]

Some censorship makes sense.
My example would be a scene in Xenosaga Episode II:
One of the characters pulls out a gun, shoots himself in the head, and his head is completely gone. That makes no sense. Also, you don't want to show kids someone shooting themselves in the head, so they changed it to an energy ball. Now you've got something a little less real, but now it makes sense for his head to be completely gone.

Some censorship is complete bullshit though. In Xenosaga Episode III, they removed all blood. So when there's a character cupping their hands to hold a pool of blood, there's no blood there, and it makes no sense.

[YunaSama]

I usually don't care much... Living in Europe, I should be happy enough for even getting the games here as well... I do kinda wish they'd censored up Drakengard 3 a bit when it comes to the conversations... So many games out here got censored unneeded, yet they let the one game that actually could use some censorship slide... Western logic I guess... cat_neutral

[gilgameshed]

Yup it matters a lot. Let's say left for dead. In some countries, the gore factor of the game is taken out. No blood spills and zombies you just shot disappear quickly even before the bend over and die.

I hate it when then happens!! They should just put PG 18 warnings on it and let the parents decide whether to buy it or not burning_eyes

[Rare Game Hunter DBN]

Bleshoo

Some censorship makes sense.
My example would be a scene in Xenosaga Episode II:
One of the characters pulls out a gun, shoots himself in the head, and his head is completely gone. That makes no sense. Also, you don't want to show kids someone shooting themselves in the head, so they changed it to an energy ball. Now you've got something a little less real, but now it makes sense for his head to be completely gone.

Some censorship is complete bullshit though. In Xenosaga Episode III, they removed all blood. So when there's a character cupping their hands to hold a pool of blood, there's no blood there, and it makes no sense.

I actually remember that scene. It was because Albito grew up with the power of regeneration, that he thought anyone could do it and that it was completely normal as breathing. But he completely snapped when Rubedo told him otherwise.

And I call bull at the end of Episode III when Shion's brother got stabbed right through the back and fights to his last breath. (Been so long I forget the name. Jinn I think.). You and I both know there should have been a pool of blood.

There was a very similar scene in Final Fantasy XIII, where they not only took out the knife, but the blood as well, and I remember being so confused for about 5 minutes before I was like "Oh .....". But by then the whole scene lost it's dramaticness, and just became silly.

[Bleshoo]

Rare Game Hunter DBN

Bleshoo

Some censorship makes sense.
My example would be a scene in Xenosaga Episode II:
One of the characters pulls out a gun, shoots himself in the head, and his head is completely gone. That makes no sense. Also, you don't want to show kids someone shooting themselves in the head, so they changed it to an energy ball. Now you've got something a little less real, but now it makes sense for his head to be completely gone.

Some censorship is complete bullshit though. In Xenosaga Episode III, they removed all blood. So when there's a character cupping their hands to hold a pool of blood, there's no blood there, and it makes no sense.

I actually remember that scene. It was because Albito grew up with the power of regeneration, that he thought anyone could do it and that it was completely normal as breathing. But he completely snapped when Rubedo told him otherwise.

And I call bull at the end of Episode III when Shion's brother got stabbed right through the back and fights to his last breath. (Been so long I forget the name. Jinn I think.). You and I both know there should have been a pool of blood.

There was a very similar scene in Final Fantasy XIII, where they not only took out the knife, but the blood as well, and I remember being so confused for about 5 minutes before I was like "Oh .....". But by then the whole scene lost it's dramaticness, and just became silly.

Exactly! The end result is just something weird that makes no sense.

[Zered Heizien]

******** censorship.
the whole "think about the children!!!" mentality and butchering games in order to "appeal to a wider audience" bullshit really needs to stop.

little timmy isnt as pure and innocent as you think he is, and he most certainly is not the target audience of 99.9% of games that get censored.
game companies are not your childrens babysitters.
if you dont want them to play that s**t then do some ******** parenting and dont buy them the game.
dont ******** things up for everyone else because youre a prude.

the only thing worse than censoring random s**t that no one would give a ******** about if it was uncensored is censoring fanservice in a fanservice game that is 100% marketed as being a fanservice game.
what the ******** is the point in that.
i would rather the game not be released outside japan than be a butchered bastardization of itself, especially if the excuse is wanting to "appeal to a wider audience".
because ******** your target audience when you can try to appeal to people who dont give a s**t about it instead, right?

[The College Student]

It doesn't bother me that much. I just want to play the game.

[Silver Highlights]

I usually prefer my games to be uncensored, especially if it's censoring story-driven games marketed towards older audiences. Drakengard's censorship was a bit jarring for me because I had no clue why one of the characters Leonard felt so guilty.

Turns out he's a ***** who was molesting a child elsewhere in the woods, away from the tragedy that he could've saved his family from.

Same censorship/plot hole thing goes for Caim's sister Furiae...

Who has unrequited feelings of incestuous lust towards Caim.

I understand there's a matter of sensitivity that differs between each country, like how Nazis are censored in Germany. But for story-driven games, shouldn't there be better solutions that don't distort the original creators' vision that ends up making some parts out of place and badly unexplained?