Sticky: XBox 360 vs PS3 vs Wii

[Kiree Tenshi]

RedShadowHero

Kiree Tenshi

Manmade logic is still manmade logic. Critical Thinking and Debate do have a lot of valid points, but in the end critical thinking is still just an opinion, although a more intelligent opinion than most. You can't throw around a theory and state it as fact. You especially can't expect others to adhere to your opinion. When it comes down to it, the people who are best at debating only use basic critical thinking. In the end emotional arguments and how well other people like you from the second they meet you has much more to do with getting your point across than any logic or critical thinking guideline ever will. Yes this has nothing to do with being rude.

And as per the bold admission, I would like to point out that it is a strawman argument as per the idea that you didn't actually address my point at all, or even accept my point and offer to discuss it over the last three posts.

Kiree Tenshi

I already said I was aware that it was inappropriate.

Then why continue? It doesn't make logical sense.

Kiree Tenshi

I did apologize for it in posts as well.

I might point out that the bulk of this happened after our last exchange.

Kiree Tenshi

In the end, you can't police the internet. You definitely won't police me.

Who said I was trying to police you? I made a polite suggestion (based on the "please refrain", or something to that general extent) to you that it would keep the thread from being derailed. While I can't police the internet, a friendly reminder that derailing threads in such a way could be seen as trolling and/or spam doesn't seem to be policing in the slightest.

Kiree Tenshi

I understand your viewpoint, but kindly take it elsewhere.

Odd. Couldn't the same be applied to you, in that you've overly expressed your viewpoint, but you've yet to take it elsewhere? Introduction to a strawman argument from me aside, I just thought it an interesting point, and it doesn't need to be continued.

Like you, I also like to debate, and I can't stand rudeness in place of what could have been a logical rebuttal. As such, I pointed out that insulting the other side after they insulted you is a fallacy, regardless of who started it.

This is the point I'm making, and this is the point that you're continuing to validate by insulting me.

Kiree Tenshi

You aren't my mother

Which is quite a good thing, considering I'm male.

Kiree Tenshi

and I don't need your superior attitude.

Which I don't consider myself, and I'm going to have to ask you to refrain from further ad hominem during these exchanges, lest it become a reportable offense for abusive language.

Kiree Tenshi

Thanks.

Quite welcome.

Kiree Tenshi

Can you say anything that doesn't involve your beloved fallacies?

I believe I have already.

Kiree Tenshi

You can't put laws on words, you can put guidelines on words.

This is the introduction to a strawman argument.
As such, I will ignore the point based on the grounds that it seems purposely set up to ignore the point I put forth in order to make my point look weaker and thus easily defeated.

I wish, however to point out that I did read it, but decided that it since it didn't address my point (and was a setup for a poisoning the well, since you seem to think that by attacking my character you make my general stance look weaker), I clipped it out to preserve the original element of discussion. Which, I will remind you, is that ad hominem is not an acceptable point in any debate.

As such: if you don't wish to continue the discussion, then don't reply. Replies only mean to me that we haven't reached some baseline agreement/disagreement, and that (for some reason) my response is still warranted.

Report me if you wish. I never used abusive language. You're singling me out and it's annoying. Why you feel the need to persist when I've already asked you to stop is beyond me. You bring up the same points repeatedly. That's circular logic. It doesn't help. If you don't get your point across, you bring up another point. You keep repeating the same 3 fallacies over and over again. As I've stated, I don't care about the fallacies. Either you hold me to some higher standard by ignoring the rude comments mad toward me, or you single me out. Either way it's rude. You may not intend it to be rude, but it's rude. Using polite words while you attempt to tell me how my attitude doesn't conform to your standards doesn't change the fact that you hold your standards higher than mine and you intend to express why my standards are inadequate. I like my standards just fine. You've given me your opinion, I've expressed my opinion on your opinion. Let it go. That would be the polite thing to do. Nobody likes it when a peer tells them what to do. Basic rule of society.

I made plenty of good points in reference to logical thinking. Using a source to validate a source is also a fallacy by the way. You can't use critical thinking to show why critical thinking is valid. It doesn't work like that. If you want to continue the argument on why fallacies are absolute instead of a guideline for written and verbal discussion then you'll need to provide some other evidence that doesn't involve the reciprocation of fallacies.

As to why I didn't address your point? I consider the discussion rude and I don't feel the need to continue the discussion any longer. I expressed my viewpoint, you expressed yours. There's really nothing else to talk about. You think I'm being rude, I think you're being rude. I'm willing to see past it and continue a normal conversation with you. If you don't wish to then that's your prerogative. I won't force you to speak with me. If you feel that my argument is rude and you'd like to change the subject I'll be more than happy to do so. Thanks.

[RedShadowHero]

Mr Jawes

Demon's Souls I will give you. I haven't heard opinions from people I trust to just go out and play it yet, though. It's on my "would play" list for sure, but hasn't built up enough to consider buying the console.

The way I would put it is like this:
Would you like Zelda with less puzzles and more strategic and logistical combat?

The game feels like a distant love letter to the 3D Zelda games, in addition to some Phantasy Star Online fun thrown in.

The reason why I throw these names out is because you (as a self-proclaimed liker of the wii and (I assume) the GCN) would know of these titles.

[Kiree Tenshi]

freedomofspeech89

Kiree Tenshi

freedomofspeech89

Kiree Tenshi

freedomofspeech89

You're forgetting the parameters of the study, it's not just 3 and 4 year old models it's all of them, Microsoft's own report shows a 68% of failure on the original consoles, and in all fairness they have been making improves, marginal as they may be, I think 50% is accurate within a reasonable margin for everyone 360 sold at the time of the study since the 1 and 2 year old models would be much lower then 68% based on available information

Yep yep, I took that into account in my next post.

Um are you agreeing with me or saying I need to look at one of your old posts?

I said the Game Informer poll is not very accurate. It can't be. There were no time limitations, there were no accounting for key demographics, there was no way to ensure duplicate entries weren't made. Magazine polls will very rarely have accuracy to them, they'll give you a decent idea of a situation, that's about it. Now, the failure rate after 3-4 years for old 360 consoles is probably around 60%. It just makes sense based on the history of electronics. So I'm agreeing and disagreeing. But you shouldn't put much stock in that poll.

I don't I put stock in everything put together thats consistent with each other and confirmed valid sources, and yes since it is a internet poll it's margin of error would probably be 5-10% anyways but these ppl just want to ignore it completely and pretend that the 360 only fails 23.7% period

"Very few things really seek knowledge in this world. Mortal or immortal, few really ask. On the contrary, they try to wring from the unknown the answers they have already shaped in their own minds - justifications, confirmations, forms of consolation without which they can't go on. To really ask is to open the door to the whirlwind. The answer may annihilate the question and the questioner."

- The Vampire Lestat

That pretty much explains it. People hear what they want to hear and they make excuses for everything they don't want to hear, no matter how much evidence is provided to the contrary. Everyone does it. I know I do it sometimes. I try not to. I still do it. It's just part of life.

[Kiree Tenshi]

xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx

Kiree Tenshi

xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx

Kiree Tenshi

Browfer

Kiree Tenshi

What type of game is it supposed to be? I'm usually not overly big on Disney character type games. But Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers for the NES was a lot of fun, yes I'm admitting it. I know. Also after Kingdom Hearts I realize that any game can be awesome if done well. Okay, maybe not Barney.

You get points in my book for not only knowing who Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers are but more so for liking the game.

Anyways the game he's talking about is the upcoming Wii only Epic Mickey, where you get to pick if Micky takes a good or bad path, his physical appearance changes too depending on you pick.

LOL it makes me want to play it just so I can be Bad Mickey. Is it done GTA style? Run over Minnie in a cartoon car? Okay morbid... I know. <.< But still kind of funny. LOL, what genre is it? Or do we not have that information yet?

And Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers was awesome. I still remember the theme song. The game was one of the best two players game that generation in my opinion. I mean Contra and Ikari Warriors obviously were awesome too. Ahhhh, nostalgia.

From my understanding he is sent to the wasteland of where all the old and tossed out disney ideas are sent, and is trying to get out, but at the same time her the ability to erase the enemies, or anyone for that matter. It remind me of Fallout, the original Fallouts, where you can save everyone, or kill everyone...all depends..

I miss the original Fallouts. =( The dialogue options were better than pretty much any game I've ever played. Fallout 3 was awesome, but Bethesda should've kept it a little more true to the originals in my opinion. They still did an amazing job though. The new Fallout, well spin off, New Vegas is a collaboration between people who worked on the original Fallouts and Bethesday, I think it'll be awesome. ^^ Can't wait.

I have a copy of both Fallout and Fallout 2 for my PC..and get ready for the jealousy...I got them both new in a combo pack for $1. Just installed Fallout 2 onto my new system, and planning on getting to tweaking programs to have some fun with....and pray I don't run into the Pariah Dog.

LOL cool cool. What system did you get?

[Mr Jawes]

RedShadowHero

Mr Jawes

Demon's Souls I will give you. I haven't heard opinions from people I trust to just go out and play it yet, though. It's on my "would play" list for sure, but hasn't built up enough to consider buying the console.

The way I would put it is like this:
Would you like Zelda with less puzzles and more strategic and logistical combat?

The game feels like a distant love letter to the 3D Zelda games, in addition to some Phantasy Star Online fun thrown in.

The reason why I throw these names out is because you (as a self-proclaimed liker of the wii and (I assume) the GCN) would know of these titles.

I hear that, and I trust you, but like I said, I'm just not $300 convinced on it yet.

Man...if only more of my local friends had PS3s...I would definitely borrow one to try some of these out.

[xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx]

Kiree Tenshi

xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx

Kiree Tenshi

xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx

Kiree Tenshi

LOL it makes me want to play it just so I can be Bad Mickey. Is it done GTA style? Run over Minnie in a cartoon car? Okay morbid... I know. <.< But still kind of funny. LOL, what genre is it? Or do we not have that information yet?

And Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers was awesome. I still remember the theme song. The game was one of the best two players game that generation in my opinion. I mean Contra and Ikari Warriors obviously were awesome too. Ahhhh, nostalgia.

From my understanding he is sent to the wasteland of where all the old and tossed out disney ideas are sent, and is trying to get out, but at the same time her the ability to erase the enemies, or anyone for that matter. It remind me of Fallout, the original Fallouts, where you can save everyone, or kill everyone...all depends..

I miss the original Fallouts. =( The dialogue options were better than pretty much any game I've ever played. Fallout 3 was awesome, but Bethesda should've kept it a little more true to the originals in my opinion. They still did an amazing job though. The new Fallout, well spin off, New Vegas is a collaboration between people who worked on the original Fallouts and Bethesday, I think it'll be awesome. ^^ Can't wait.

I have a copy of both Fallout and Fallout 2 for my PC..and get ready for the jealousy...I got them both new in a combo pack for $1. Just installed Fallout 2 onto my new system, and planning on getting to tweaking programs to have some fun with....and pray I don't run into the Pariah Dog.

LOL cool cool. What system did you get?

Errr...if you mean of the current gen consoles? >//> none of them so far..I'm poor. All I own is a SNES, PSone, and a Gamecube. Portable I got a GBA. Anything I do say though is from what I have played before. My friend, in one way, shape or form have own all the consoles. Browfer for example is a friend of mine. If you really want to know my style of gameplay just ask him. I will try and play anything regardless of scores or opinions. If I think its fun I'll still play it. If I hate it I will still atleast complete it once.

An example is Odin Sphere...my friend (not Browfer) was going to sell it to Gamestop because he didn't like its gameplay, and stuff. well because I thought it looked interesting I bought it off him a little more than he would have gotten from gamestop. I actually loved it. Many of the games I own, or have owned I have been told their crap, but I don't believe it till I try it. People who argue that a game sucks because of a critics scores, I will ask them if they have tried it it. if they say no, I will tell them try it then come back and say it sucks or not. If someone has played a game, and they say it sucks, I will respect their words, as that is a true opinion from their personal experience.

[RedShadowHero]

I clipped the rest down because I think this one point addresses the core of this current derailment:

Kiree Tenshi

Using polite words while you attempt to tell me how my attitude doesn't conform to your standards doesn't change the fact that you hold your standards higher than mine and you intend to express why my standards are inadequate. I like my standards just fine.

However, I am trying to help. This is not an attack on your standards. This is an discussion on the content. Your standards are fine, s'far as I'm concerned. My point has been (all along) to prevent you from being banned and to promote discussion through understanding of what this site considers as trolling.

I seemed to remember browfer getting banned for three days a while back for only a trifle worse "language" than what you display now. I think I got banned three days for requesting a citation for a statement by (an attempt at being humorous, I suppose) posting this picture. The moderators here don't have an extremely clear standard of what they will or will not ban you for, and (as such), I took the (perhaps extreme) route of pointing out the implications of insulting being ban-able material.

I haven't reported any of your exchanges with me, because I believe this is somewhat of a misunderstanding about my position and how I handled the situation.

[xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx]

Mr Jawes

RedShadowHero

Mr Jawes

Demon's Souls I will give you. I haven't heard opinions from people I trust to just go out and play it yet, though. It's on my "would play" list for sure, but hasn't built up enough to consider buying the console.

The way I would put it is like this:
Would you like Zelda with less puzzles and more strategic and logistical combat?

The game feels like a distant love letter to the 3D Zelda games, in addition to some Phantasy Star Online fun thrown in.

The reason why I throw these names out is because you (as a self-proclaimed liker of the wii and (I assume) the GCN) would know of these titles.

I hear that, and I trust you, but like I said, I'm just not $300 convinced on it yet.

Man...if only more of my local friends had PS3s...I would definitely borrow one to try some of these out.

One of my friends had to sell his due to money issues...I was saddened because I had some great data from the games of his I had played. and it was already sold to someone else when he went back for it. I'm praying I get a job soon. I plan on getting all three consoles...though only after I get a PSP...I will get a PSP before any of the main consoles. Only reason is so I have it when Lunar: Silver Star Harmony comes to the US (it better ******** come to the US)

[Kiree Tenshi]

Triforce of Karasu

Kiree Tenshi

Triforce of Karasu

Kiree Tenshi

Triforce of Karasu

xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx

Hey, unlike Death (who I think is currently banned, I'm not sure what new sn he chose for his 30th account as he gets banned almost daily.) she actually shows information, and it is a stupid prospect, to display valid information when a person prefers just to say it isn't valid when the site aren't a random blog.

Pray tell, my dear.
Where did I say that ANY of her sources are not valid?

You wouldn't know if they were or not. You don't bother to actually look at them. You just pretend they don't exist and continue the argument. Which is why I'm done with the argument. When you choose to use logic I'll continue it. Until then there's no point.

That doesn't answer the question.
You accused me of denying your sources and saying they're invalid.
I asked you to point out to me where I did that.

The only source you've used so far is the Squaretrade report, and all I said about that is that I don't feel like looking it up myself when it's YOUR point that's supposed to be proven, and I asked you how they came to those numbers. I'm not going to look through a multi-page report when it's YOUR argument that's supposed to be supported. If you think it supports you, you say how it supports you. You don't give someone else a page to look at and then let it argue for you.

If you can't back up your own accusations with examples, then don't make accusations.

For the record, I did look at the Squaretrade report. I found the graph you were talking about. I still don't know how they got to those numbers. If you're going to be so rude as to not bother to answer the simple question of how they got to the numbers instead of insulting me and saying that I'm not even bothering to look, you're not worth the time.

I responded with another source that showed how they got those numbers and then explained it to you in a very easy to understand manner. You chose not to read my post fine, don't pretend it wasn't there.

BTW, please calm down. Yelling is going to increase your blood pressure. Maybe you should go lie down for a bit. Let this whole thing cool down.

Still waiting for the answer. I don't recall denying that source or saying it's invalid. I just ignored it because you were hung up on accusing me of things I apparently didn't do, and I wanted you to point out where I did it.
You should stop trolling and start answering. smile

Rude comments made towards me. Starting at page 15340.

"So basically, you're really bad at handling your own argument being ripped up?"
Should be pretty obvious why it's rude. Butting into an argument that doesn't involve you and ridiculing another person's arguments.

"Gimme a ring back when the PS3 actually PASSES the 360..."
Flippantly disregarding an argument in a rude and disinterested way. If you don't want to argue a point just say I'm not interested in that point. No need to express it in a rude way.

"Says the one who initiated it with cries of "Fanboy" and "Troll"."
This was you being rude to someone else.

"Or is Jawes right, that you are a troll, and you're only pursuing the topic because you feel it's amusing to pretend that you're so amazingly smart about everything"
Pretty obviously rude.

"If you want to act like a jackass..."
Again pretty obvious.

"By your statement, I think it's safe to say that you base your opinion on what's popular, and don't bother to form opinions of your own."
Obvious again...

"Studies?
What studies?
Are you sure that by "studies", you don't really mean "assumptions based on a personal view of the console"?"
Rude to someone else...

"As it is, you'd have to be a nosy, inconsiderate troll... Then shut up."
Obviously rude...

"So you're admitting that your opinion is colored compared to what other think, and that you can't form an opinion for yourself?"
Obviously untrue, but you make the statement to insult me personally instead of addressing the argument.

"I'm also going to ignore your personal attacks since they're irrelevant to the topic and don't help your argument at all."
This comment is just funny after the 10 or so personal attacks you made against me.

"Hypocrite."
Obvious

"More hypocrisy.
Especially since I haven't really insulted anybody."
This is where the denial began.

"You like to use the word opinion as if it's a blanket term that excuses you for making bad arguments."
Obviously rude.

"Hypocrisy."
More of the same.

"I'm not going to look through a multi-page report when it's YOUR argument that's supposed to be supported."
I told you which page the information was on and the font is really large. It would take about 30 seconds to find the information yourself. Instead you expect me to find the report again, scroll down to the page, and copy and paste all the content. It's ludicrous. Why ask for a source if you aren't going to bother using it? You're being lazy. That's why I stopped arguing with you. It was pointless. Everytime I'd tell you the information you asked for you'd just ask another question. It happened about 3 times. I got tired of answering questions that could be easily answered by yourself if you bothered to look the information up. The truth is you didn't want to know the truth, you just wanted to insult me. It's pretty obvious from the beginning of the conversation. You butted into almost every debate I had and made snide and rude remarks.

"Not really.
You just have to convince yourself that she's better.
She doesn't actually have to be better."
Rude to both me and Reality. No need for it.

"I actually quite enjoyed the Lion King and Aladdin games on the Sega Genesis."
I think this speaks for itself...
j/k wink

"You lied there."
Calling Reality a liar.

"I hate pie."
That was the final straw.
Okay she didn't really say it. But I strongly suspect she does.

That's most of them. They're easy to find if you look, which you probably won't. Anyway, I was rude to you, you were rude to me. Call a truce? Or keep hating me for unknown reasons. Either way it's up to you.

[Kiree Tenshi]

RedShadowHero

I clipped the rest down because I think this one point addresses the core of this current derailment:

Kiree Tenshi

Using polite words while you attempt to tell me how my attitude doesn't conform to your standards doesn't change the fact that you hold your standards higher than mine and you intend to express why my standards are inadequate. I like my standards just fine.

However, I am trying to help. This is not an attack on your standards. This is an discussion on the content. Your standards are fine, s'far as I'm concerned. My point has been (all along) to prevent you from being banned and to promote discussion through understanding of what this site considers as trolling.

I seemed to remember browfer getting banned for three days a while back for only a trifle worse "language" than what you display now. I think I got banned three days for requesting a citation for a statement by (an attempt at being humorous, I suppose) posting this picture. The moderators here don't have an extremely clear standard of what they will or will not ban you for, and (as such), I took the (perhaps extreme) route of pointing out the implications of insulting being ban-able material.

I haven't reported any of your exchanges with me, because I believe this is somewhat of a misunderstanding about my position and how I handled the situation.

No worries, as previously explained I've felt horrible for a few weeks now and I'm irritable. I'll definitely try to watch what I say from now one. Getting banned over a picture that says citation needed really makes no sense. <.< I wasn't aware the moderators were that... erm... well that the policies made little sense lol. I'll watch out for it in the future thanks.

[Kiree Tenshi]

xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx

Kiree Tenshi

xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx

Kiree Tenshi

xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx

Kiree Tenshi

LOL it makes me want to play it just so I can be Bad Mickey. Is it done GTA style? Run over Minnie in a cartoon car? Okay morbid... I know. <.< But still kind of funny. LOL, what genre is it? Or do we not have that information yet?

And Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers was awesome. I still remember the theme song. The game was one of the best two players game that generation in my opinion. I mean Contra and Ikari Warriors obviously were awesome too. Ahhhh, nostalgia.

From my understanding he is sent to the wasteland of where all the old and tossed out disney ideas are sent, and is trying to get out, but at the same time her the ability to erase the enemies, or anyone for that matter. It remind me of Fallout, the original Fallouts, where you can save everyone, or kill everyone...all depends..

I miss the original Fallouts. =( The dialogue options were better than pretty much any game I've ever played. Fallout 3 was awesome, but Bethesda should've kept it a little more true to the originals in my opinion. They still did an amazing job though. The new Fallout, well spin off, New Vegas is a collaboration between people who worked on the original Fallouts and Bethesday, I think it'll be awesome. ^^ Can't wait.

I have a copy of both Fallout and Fallout 2 for my PC..and get ready for the jealousy...I got them both new in a combo pack for $1. Just installed Fallout 2 onto my new system, and planning on getting to tweaking programs to have some fun with....and pray I don't run into the Pariah Dog.

LOL cool cool. What system did you get?

Errr...if you mean of the current gen consoles? >//> none of them so far..I'm poor. All I own is a SNES, PSone, and a Gamecube. Portable I got a GBA. Anything I do say though is from what I have played before. My friend, in one way, shape or form have own all the consoles. Browfer for example is a friend of mine. If you really want to know my style of gameplay just ask him. I will try and play anything regardless of scores or opinions. If I think its fun I'll still play it. If I hate it I will still atleast complete it once.

An example is Odin Sphere...my friend (not Browfer) was going to sell it to Gamestop because he didn't like its gameplay, and stuff. well because I thought it looked interesting I bought it off him a little more than he would have gotten from gamestop. I actually loved it. Many of the games I own, or have owned I have been told their crap, but I don't believe it till I try it. People who argue that a game sucks because of a critics scores, I will ask them if they have tried it it. if they say no, I will tell them try it then come back and say it sucks or not. If someone has played a game, and they say it sucks, I will respect their words, as that is a true opinion from their personal experience.

I meant your new PC system. <.<

I get what you mean on the scores. I put very little stock in critic scores. Usually I look at the user score and read the user reviews. Fellow gamers are a much better source of information on a game than critics are. Few critics ever complete the game. Often times they just get their information from 3rd party sources. Bleh.

[xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx]

Kiree Tenshi

xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx

Kiree Tenshi

xDeathxxBeyondxxRealityx

Kiree Tenshi

I miss the original Fallouts. =( The dialogue options were better than pretty much any game I've ever played. Fallout 3 was awesome, but Bethesda should've kept it a little more true to the originals in my opinion. They still did an amazing job though. The new Fallout, well spin off, New Vegas is a collaboration between people who worked on the original Fallouts and Bethesday, I think it'll be awesome. ^^ Can't wait.

I have a copy of both Fallout and Fallout 2 for my PC..and get ready for the jealousy...I got them both new in a combo pack for $1. Just installed Fallout 2 onto my new system, and planning on getting to tweaking programs to have some fun with....and pray I don't run into the Pariah Dog.

LOL cool cool. What system did you get?

Errr...if you mean of the current gen consoles? >//> none of them so far..I'm poor. All I own is a SNES, PSone, and a Gamecube. Portable I got a GBA. Anything I do say though is from what I have played before. My friend, in one way, shape or form have own all the consoles. Browfer for example is a friend of mine. If you really want to know my style of gameplay just ask him. I will try and play anything regardless of scores or opinions. If I think its fun I'll still play it. If I hate it I will still atleast complete it once.

An example is Odin Sphere...my friend (not Browfer) was going to sell it to Gamestop because he didn't like its gameplay, and stuff. well because I thought it looked interesting I bought it off him a little more than he would have gotten from gamestop. I actually loved it. Many of the games I own, or have owned I have been told their crap, but I don't believe it till I try it. People who argue that a game sucks because of a critics scores, I will ask them if they have tried it it. if they say no, I will tell them try it then come back and say it sucks or not. If someone has played a game, and they say it sucks, I will respect their words, as that is a true opinion from their personal experience.

I meant your new PC system. <.<

I get what you mean on the scores. I put very little stock in critic scores. Usually I look at the user score and read the user reviews. Fellow gamers are a much better source of information on a game than critics are. Few critics ever complete the game. Often times they just get their information from 3rd party sources. Bleh.

My new PC (which I have broke in after the past few months) was hand built by my second cousin. He built it in school, where he was learning to do such. If he find any good RAM or anything decent for free he can gets his hand on it for, he will upgrade it...however right now its better than my old system, but much more improved than my old one. right now its just a basic system, with basic parts, save that the motherboard is high end...once I can afford it, I'm gonna see about getting a better hard drive...right now my hard drive is only 10 gigs x.x

[RedShadowHero]

I think the majority of people's problems with me is taking a firm stance on something with the intent of either trying to make them think about their argument from another angle, or helping them with something.

Ironically, in either case, I use the same method.

Kiree Tenshi

I wasn't aware the moderators were that... erm... well that the policies made little sense lol.

At the risk of being silly:

[redgecko456]

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[android198]

Due to the current swarm of topics related to the upcoming generation of consoles, a separate sticky has been created to house the growing amount of discussion and prevent future confusion towards the issue.

Here's some information to start you off! Consoles listed by release date. domokun

Console wars site: