Gaara vs Link

Who would win?

Gaara	39.3%	[ 1169 ]
Link	41.5%	[ 1233 ]
That guy hiding in the bushes	19.2%	[ 570 ]
Total Votes:			[ 2972 ]

[RedShadowHero]

Lord Dragonbane

I'm not sure how I proved Garaa was the man for the job. I merely noted that he fights fools and weaklings. Simply because he is the most competent out of those bunch of idiots, doesn't mean that he's not just a big fish in a little pond. Put him in the ocean, and he's just another fairly large fish. My point being, just cause those "ninja's" couldn't beat him, doesn't mean that somebody else with different skills and abilities wouldn't be able to either.

That... sounds a little biased... you don't really watch/like Naruto, do you?

Lord Dragonbane

I'm missing in the OP's post where it says one Link. It just shows a Link with a shadow with red eyes. Considering how many times Link has been copied this could very well be any number of different "Links". As such I'm just using the Nintendo owned character "Link" and therefore, all the weapons and abilities he has every used.

Actually, by the definition of Link, you are referring to any one Link, as used in any one "Link" in a game licensed by Nintendo. Had you meant to actually refer to them all, the correct term would be "Links", which would refer to their persons as a collective. However, this thread is a one on one, and therefore, that definition can't be used. One Link, one game.

Lord Dragonbane

I'm not understanding why the sand can't be turned to glass. Density of sand has nothing to do with it. Sufficent heat will turn it to glass regardless, due to its composition. And with light comes heat, even if the heat is in small ammounts. The more focused the light and the closer you are to the source, the greater the heat. Considering how focused and concentrated the Light Arrows are, I see no reason why they wouldn't generate heat.

Density has nothing to do with turning an object to glass, but surface area does. Also, there are some other reasons (like Gaara's chakra blocking that). Yes, sufficient heat would turn sand to glass, but at the temperature required, the Light arrows should have the side effect of lighting the surrounding area on fire, which it doesn't. In fact, your comment about focusing the light is a bit off, because once the light arrow connects with an opponent, it disperses, not focuses.

[iIKenIi]

Lord Dragonbane

Ken_Ish_Meh

Lord Dragonbane

Ken_Ish_Meh

Lord Dragonbane

RedShadowHero

I don't see you point, in proving that Gaara is the man for the job, only to disprove it later.

I wouldn't say that Link has a wider range of abilities, per se, but items. These items indirectly grant him with abilities. Besides, you are limited to one Link, so you must choose carefully.

You do have a very good point there...

The sand can't be turned to glass, as some other people noted previously. The light arrows don't generate heat, either; so the obvious choice is fire arrows, but that might not work, for the reason that I listed. I agree that the magic armor/Naryu's love would stop the sand coffin.

The only problem I see with this is: you use several different Links to finish Gaara off (ALttP (ether medallion), OoT/MM/WW (for the light arrows), and MM for cheateau romani), which isn't allowed, to my knowledge.

:: Dear Humanity; I hate you ::

I'm not sure how I proved Garaa was the man for the job. I merely noted that he fights fools and weaklings. Simply because he is the most competent out of those bunch of idiots, doesn't mean that he's not just a big fish in a little pond. Put him in the ocean, and he's just another fairly large fish. My point being, just cause those "ninja's" couldn't beat him, doesn't mean that somebody else with different skills and abilities wouldn't be able to either.

I'm missing in the OP's post where it says one Link. It just shows a Link with a shadow with red eyes. Considering how many times Link has been copied this could very well be any number of different "Links". As such I'm just using the Nintendo owned character "Link" and therefore, all the weapons and abilities he has every used.

I'm not understanding why the sand can't be turned to glass. Density of sand has nothing to do with it. Sufficent heat will turn it to glass regardless, due to its composition. And with light comes heat, even if the heat is in small ammounts. The more focused the light and the closer you are to the source, the greater the heat. Considering how focused and concentrated the Light Arrows are, I see no reason why they wouldn't generate heat.

:: That is all. ::

Basically.. It Is Chakra In The Form Of Sand.. Not Sand >_>. In His Gourd Anyway.
Gaara.. Does Not Fight Fools And Weaklings..
Link Wouldn't Really Be Able To Fight Close Range W/ Gaara So The Light Wouldn't Be Focused, Thus... No Heat.

:: Dear Humanity; I hate you ::

That's his gourd sand that he carries with him, and it's been shown that that sand has a range of effectiveness. He also has to supplement it with other sand, as he did against Kimimaru and Deidera. However, he uses that chakra to create more sand out of stone and topsoil. This requires more of his chakra, but it gives him greater range and power. The problem for Garaa is that he's mostly defensive. He can stop anything without even thinking about it, but his offensive abilities require a big drain on him, as was shown with every powerful person he's fought so far.

And Garaa does fight fools and weaklings. What else do you call the "ninjas" of Naruto? They stand around and talk when their enemy is right in front of them. They're easily tricked, tire out quickly, and rely heavily on whatever their specialty happens to be. When somebody figures out a way around/a way to beat that specialty, they're screwed. The ninjas of Naruto are fools and weaklings, especially compared to the kind of bosses that threaten Link in every game.

I can only assume you don't understand the Light Arrows. The light is constantly focused at the tip of the arrow. Close range isn't needed, because he shoots the light source directly at his opponent. Light Arrows also move faster than regular arrows, and a hell of alot faster than those shuriken and kunai. Since the light remains a focused attack from shot to strike, it would retain all it's heat and energy. It also only releases it's attack power on impact, which releases greater heat and energy, which ought to be sufficent to change the sand to glass, or at least to liquify it.

:: That is all. ::

I Doubt Puny Light Arrows Can Stop Rock Lee's Speed.. and If So... Can't Stop Gaara talk2hand .

:: Dear Humanity; I hate you ::

Why would they need to stop his speed? Link's not fighting Lee.

And they don't need to go fast, they just need to be highly energized and very hot. Garaa of course could dodge, but since he rarely tries to dodge anything, I'm not sure that would even occur to him until he saw the impact and the effect it had on his sand. The point isn't to go around Garaa's defense, like Lee was trying to do. The point is to punch through it, using the proper methods.

And why do you call them puny? They're the most powerful arrows in the game, capable of one hit kills to most enemies. The reason they tried for speed in Naruto was because they couldn't punch through Garaa's defense, they're only ninja's after all. With the proper tools, it's very doable, but since the ninja rely almost entirely on speed, their only chance was to move faster than his sand could keep up.

Fight smart, not hard.

:: That is all. ::

Lol..That's Not The Point, The Point I Meant Was That Since THose Light Arrows Couldn't Affect Gaara At All They Were Futile.

[iIKenIi]

RedShadowHero

Lord Dragonbane

I'm not sure how I proved Garaa was the man for the job. I merely noted that he fights fools and weaklings. Simply because he is the most competent out of those bunch of idiots, doesn't mean that he's not just a big fish in a little pond. Put him in the ocean, and he's just another fairly large fish. My point being, just cause those "ninja's" couldn't beat him, doesn't mean that somebody else with different skills and abilities wouldn't be able to either.

That... sounds a little biased... you don't really watch/like Naruto, do you?

Lord Dragonbane

I'm missing in the OP's post where it says one Link. It just shows a Link with a shadow with red eyes. Considering how many times Link has been copied this could very well be any number of different "Links". As such I'm just using the Nintendo owned character "Link" and therefore, all the weapons and abilities he has every used.

Actually, by the definition of Link, you are referring to any one Link, as used in any one "Link" in a game licensed by Nintendo. Had you meant to actually refer to them all, the correct term would be "Links", which would refer to their persons as a collective. However, this thread is a one on one, and therefore, that definition can't be used. One Link, one game.

Lord Dragonbane

I'm not understanding why the sand can't be turned to glass. Density of sand has nothing to do with it. Sufficent heat will turn it to glass regardless, due to its composition. And with light comes heat, even if the heat is in small ammounts. The more focused the light and the closer you are to the source, the greater the heat. Considering how focused and concentrated the Light Arrows are, I see no reason why they wouldn't generate heat.

Density has nothing to do with turning an object to glass, but surface area does. Also, there are some other reasons (like Gaara's chakra blocking that). Yes, sufficient heat would turn sand to glass, but at the temperature required, the Light arrows should have the side effect of lighting the surrounding area on fire, which it doesn't. In fact, your comment about focusing the light is a bit off, because once the light arrow connects with an opponent, it disperses, not focuses.

TY.

[Lord Dragonbane]

RedShadowHero

Lord Dragonbane

I'm not sure how I proved Garaa was the man for the job. I merely noted that he fights fools and weaklings. Simply because he is the most competent out of those bunch of idiots, doesn't mean that he's not just a big fish in a little pond. Put him in the ocean, and he's just another fairly large fish. My point being, just cause those "ninja's" couldn't beat him, doesn't mean that somebody else with different skills and abilities wouldn't be able to either.

That... sounds a little biased... you don't really watch/like Naruto, do you?

Lord Dragonbane

I'm missing in the OP's post where it says one Link. It just shows a Link with a shadow with red eyes. Considering how many times Link has been copied this could very well be any number of different "Links". As such I'm just using the Nintendo owned character "Link" and therefore, all the weapons and abilities he has every used.

Actually, by the definition of Link, you are referring to any one Link, as used in any one "Link" in a game licensed by Nintendo. Had you meant to actually refer to them all, the correct term would be "Links", which would refer to their persons as a collective. However, this thread is a one on one, and therefore, that definition can't be used. One Link, one game.

Lord Dragonbane

I'm not understanding why the sand can't be turned to glass. Density of sand has nothing to do with it. Sufficent heat will turn it to glass regardless, due to its composition. And with light comes heat, even if the heat is in small ammounts. The more focused the light and the closer you are to the source, the greater the heat. Considering how focused and concentrated the Light Arrows are, I see no reason why they wouldn't generate heat.

Density has nothing to do with turning an object to glass, but surface area does. Also, there are some other reasons (like Gaara's chakra blocking that). Yes, sufficient heat would turn sand to glass, but at the temperature required, the Light arrows should have the side effect of lighting the surrounding area on fire, which it doesn't. In fact, your comment about focusing the light is a bit off, because once the light arrow connects with an opponent, it disperses, not focuses.

:: Dear Humanity; I hate you ::

Oh I do watch and enjoy Naruto (am working my way through the Shippuden Episodes). But I also recognize that the ninja's would be considered quite foolish in real life. It works of course in the show, but it takes a ridiculous amount of time to get anything done. They waste entire episodes simply talking about their opponent. The most recent fight with Itatchi is a good example. They spent two episodes trying to figure out how to fight him, before anybody actually made a move... and then Naruto still gets caught in a genjutsu. The ninja's are almost as bad as the Sayins of Dragonball Z were. It takes five episodes to bring anybody down because they have to float in air and flex for each other, and then talk about their life-long dreams before anybody throws a punch.

And if I didn't like Naruto, I wouldn't know this much about Garaa. XD

The term Links would imply more than one. Which would mean a bunch of boys in green attacking Garaa. My singular is used to represent the entity that is "Link". The green clad boy who appears in each game. The destiny that seems to follow the Legend of Zelda. The embodiment of the champion of the Triforce, that's the Link I speak of. The copywrited likeness that they alter from game to game is just simply "Link". And without specification as to which specific boy we're talking about, I am merely using his entire legend. Had the OP specified which Link, I would naturally argue from that stand-point. Since he did not, I see no reason I should set upon a single manifestation.

But if I must pick a Link, then I'll go with the OoT one, because he has the tools to beat Garaa.

Your point about the Light Arrow is noted. Which leaves me with either Dins Fire or Fire Arrows. Doubled magic meter will help here, and perhaps a bottle of blue potion. Add also that Link can afford to let Garaa kill him two or three times, since he can carry a few faries on him that will just ressurect him after Garaa uses a particularly strong attack. The plan remains to make Garaa drain himself, because in the end Link won't be using magic to beat him, just to keep the battle going long enough.

I also would use the Song of Storms. Garaa can't use his sand if it's muddy as I recall, and as heavy of a storm as that ocarina can summon, everything would be too wet for him to use.

:: That is all. ::

[Lord Dragonbane]

Ken_Ish_Meh

Lord Dragonbane

Ken_Ish_Meh

Lord Dragonbane

Ken_Ish_Meh

Basically.. It Is Chakra In The Form Of Sand.. Not Sand >_>. In His Gourd Anyway.
Gaara.. Does Not Fight Fools And Weaklings..
Link Wouldn't Really Be Able To Fight Close Range W/ Gaara So The Light Wouldn't Be Focused, Thus... No Heat.

:: Dear Humanity; I hate you ::

That's his gourd sand that he carries with him, and it's been shown that that sand has a range of effectiveness. He also has to supplement it with other sand, as he did against Kimimaru and Deidera. However, he uses that chakra to create more sand out of stone and topsoil. This requires more of his chakra, but it gives him greater range and power. The problem for Garaa is that he's mostly defensive. He can stop anything without even thinking about it, but his offensive abilities require a big drain on him, as was shown with every powerful person he's fought so far.

And Garaa does fight fools and weaklings. What else do you call the "ninjas" of Naruto? They stand around and talk when their enemy is right in front of them. They're easily tricked, tire out quickly, and rely heavily on whatever their specialty happens to be. When somebody figures out a way around/a way to beat that specialty, they're screwed. The ninjas of Naruto are fools and weaklings, especially compared to the kind of bosses that threaten Link in every game.

I can only assume you don't understand the Light Arrows. The light is constantly focused at the tip of the arrow. Close range isn't needed, because he shoots the light source directly at his opponent. Light Arrows also move faster than regular arrows, and a hell of alot faster than those shuriken and kunai. Since the light remains a focused attack from shot to strike, it would retain all it's heat and energy. It also only releases it's attack power on impact, which releases greater heat and energy, which ought to be sufficent to change the sand to glass, or at least to liquify it.

:: That is all. ::

I Doubt Puny Light Arrows Can Stop Rock Lee's Speed.. and If So... Can't Stop Gaara talk2hand .

:: Dear Humanity; I hate you ::

Why would they need to stop his speed? Link's not fighting Lee.

And they don't need to go fast, they just need to be highly energized and very hot. Garaa of course could dodge, but since he rarely tries to dodge anything, I'm not sure that would even occur to him until he saw the impact and the effect it had on his sand. The point isn't to go around Garaa's defense, like Lee was trying to do. The point is to punch through it, using the proper methods.

And why do you call them puny? They're the most powerful arrows in the game, capable of one hit kills to most enemies. The reason they tried for speed in Naruto was because they couldn't punch through Garaa's defense, they're only ninja's after all. With the proper tools, it's very doable, but since the ninja rely almost entirely on speed, their only chance was to move faster than his sand could keep up.

Fight smart, not hard.

:: That is all. ::

Lol..That's Not The Point, The Point I Meant Was That Since THose Light Arrows Couldn't Affect Gaara At All They Were Futile.

:: Dear Humanity; I hate you ::

lol. Unlike your more literate friend here, you failed to explain why they wouldn't affect him. You used Lee as an example, which made absolutely no sense to the argument at hand.

You might want to let RedShadowHero handle this one buddy. xd

:: That is all. ::

[Divine__Kiss]

of course link would win
he´s the better one

[iIKenIi]

*Sigh**. You Said Links Arrows Were The Strongest Arrows... And I Gave an Example Of Why They Would Not Even Touch Gaara.. How is That Irrelevant? dramallama

[Lord Dragonbane]

Ken_Ish_Meh

*Sigh**. You Said Links Arrows Were The Strongest Arrows... And I Gave an Example Of Why They Would Not Even Touch Gaara.. How is That Irrelevant? dramallama

:: Dear Humanity; I hate you ::

Because you said they weren't fast enough. You stated that they weren't faster than Lee, and therefore weren't fast enough to touch Garaa. I repeat that the point of the arrows isn't to touch Garaa at all. It's to hit his defenses and shatter them. He's out to neturalize the sand, not move faster than it or get around it.

:: That is all. ::

[iIKenIi]

Lord Dragonbane

Ken_Ish_Meh

*Sigh**. You Said Links Arrows Were The Strongest Arrows... And I Gave an Example Of Why They Would Not Even Touch Gaara.. How is That Irrelevant? dramallama

:: Dear Humanity; I hate you ::

Because you said they weren't fast enough. You stated that they weren't faster than Lee, and therefore weren't fast enough to touch Garaa. I repeat that the point of the arrows isn't to touch Garaa at all. It's to hit his defenses and shatter them. He's out to neturalize the sand, not move faster than it or get around it.

:: That is all. ::

Yes... But Do The Arrows have Affect On His Chakra Embedded Sand.

[Lord Dragonbane]

Ken_Ish_Meh

Lord Dragonbane

Ken_Ish_Meh

*Sigh**. You Said Links Arrows Were The Strongest Arrows... And I Gave an Example Of Why They Would Not Even Touch Gaara.. How is That Irrelevant? dramallama

:: Dear Humanity; I hate you ::

Because you said they weren't fast enough. You stated that they weren't faster than Lee, and therefore weren't fast enough to touch Garaa. I repeat that the point of the arrows isn't to touch Garaa at all. It's to hit his defenses and shatter them. He's out to neturalize the sand, not move faster than it or get around it.

:: That is all. ::

Yes... But Do The Arrows have Affect On His Chakra Embedded Sand.

:: Dear Humanity; I hate you ::

It's sand is it not? He can only use it in sand form. If it gets wet, he can't use it because then it becomes mud (and it's too heavy or something). And if it's melted, he wouldn't be able to use it either since it would fuse into a single solid and he again would be unable to lift it due to its weight.

Chakra or not has nothing to do with it. It's sand.

:: That is all. ::

[RedShadowHero]

Lord Dragonbane

Oh I do watch and enjoy Naruto (am working my way through the Shippuden Episodes). But I also recognize that the ninja's would be considered quite foolish in real life. It works of course in the show, but it takes a ridiculous amount of time to get anything done. They waste entire episodes simply talking about their opponent. The most recent fight with Itatchi is a good example. They spent two episodes trying to figure out how to fight him, before anybody actually made a move... and then Naruto still gets caught in a genjutsu. The ninja's are almost as bad as the Sayins of Dragonball Z were. It takes five episodes to bring anybody down because they have to float in air and flex for each other, and then talk about their life-long dreams before anybody throws a punch.

And if I didn't like Naruto, I wouldn't know this much about Garaa. XD

I'll give you that point.

Lord Dragonbane

The term Links would imply more than one. Which would mean a bunch of boys in green attacking Garaa. My singular is used to represent the entity that is "Link". The green clad boy who appears in each game. The destiny that seems to follow the Legend of Zelda. The embodiment of the champion of the Triforce, that's the Link I speak of. The copywrited likeness that they alter from game to game is just simply "Link". And without specification as to which specific boy we're talking about, I am merely using his entire legend. Had the OP specified which Link, I would naturally argue from that stand-point. Since he did not, I see no reason I should set upon a single manifestation.

But if I must pick a Link, then I'll go with the OoT one, because he has the tools to beat Garaa.

Since you decided to settle on a Link, I'll leave this alone.

Lord Dragonbane

Your point about the Light Arrow is noted. Which leaves me with either Dins Fire or Fire Arrows. Doubled magic meter will help here, and perhaps a bottle of blue potion. Add also that Link can afford to let Garaa kill him two or three times, since he can carry a few faries on him that will just ressurect him after Garaa uses a particularly strong attack. The plan remains to make Garaa drain himself, because in the end Link won't be using magic to beat him, just to keep the battle going long enough.

Remember, though that red fairies (OoT) revive Link AND restore his magic.

Lord Dragonbane

I also would use the Song of Storms. Garaa can't use his sand if it's muddy as I recall, and as heavy of a storm as that ocarina can summon, everything would be too wet for him to use.

I've actually covered all this. Look here.

[Nuhrii]

the person in the bush is shadow link

[Mafope]

I would have to say link becuase link rulz...

[RedShadowHero]

Mafope

I would have to say link becuase link rulz...

...That... isn't a real reason...SOMEBODY, SAVE ME FROM FANBOYS! THEY ARE EATING MY MIND AND SOUL!!