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i don't think most people are saying that WoW is popular simply because they have very recent commercials on TV considering WoW was popular long before these commercials were even shot. lol

my point was that if blizzard has enough of a fanbase/income to grant ad campaigns for one game in that such a large scale, then going simply by that it's clear that they're bigger and more popular than gaia. that's just one aspect of this whole argument. yes, it was wrong for him to say such a ludicrous comment for many reasons. i don't think anyone who is presented with the facts is thick enough to argue against that.
 
     
 
reading someone else's comment - the argument that gaia's mmo can be larger than WoW because it is free and easy to access is something which has yet to be proven. if it has as many features and the actual game is as complicated as WoW then maybe. i doubt that is the case, though. all in all, it's hard to argue what hasn't happened yet. gaia as it is now, of course - isn't that popular when looking at the large scale of things. i learned of this site from a friend, i think that's how most of us got here. sheer word of mouth. none of my friends know what gaia is but they know what WoW is and half of them rarely use the net outside facebook or itunes. :]
     

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you still haven't put up the first quote?

i think it's kinda biased that you don't put the entirety down because i am sure there are lazy folk out there who eat one sided arguments that don't obviously add up.
 
     
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you still haven't put up the first quote?

i think it's kinda biased that you don't put the entirety down because i am sure there are lazy folk out there who eat one sided arguments that don't obviously add up.

excuse me?

I think the fact that fin replied is unmissable in my front post, thx
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he didn't mean to say that gaia will be the biggest MMo ever, or that we would be more successful then WoW.

he was simply saying that he thinks that free MMOs could be more successful in the future as they grow and start offering as much as pay-for-play games.

 
     
 
Hah, he'll never get 80 Million on Gaia. You can quote me on this later, since most accounts are just mules and abandoned accounts anyway.

Clearly he doesn't expect to get that high. He's just after attention, which is exactly what he'll get for publicly bashing one of the biggest games out there. It's not a bad strategy at all...
     
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Wow. Craig Sherman sounds exactly like Alfred Kahn. That quote reminds me SO much of "Kids don't read" or "Japan is dying". rofl


Well Japan is dying. We all are.. life is a terminal illness. wink


No, no, no. Mr. Kahn said that Japan is dying because of something much worse. gonk Poor poor Japan is dying because it's not making enough anime that can make tons of money from moichendise.
 
     
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The guys at WoW Insider are not happy bunnies...
Eeep...

Somebody made a very good point there- if Warcraft was free the quality would degrade into something absolutely awful. The fees that people pay monthly help keep the game up and running, help provide new content for players and keeps n00bs out.

1) Give WoW away for free
2) Overload servers with millions of players and no money for upgrades
3) ???
4) Profit!



I've played free MMO's where the quality wasn't all that bad. Not as 3-d as WOW but not as irritatingly pixelated either.


rolleyes Gameplay quality, not graphics. Overloaded servers with trade channels spammed up the a** by all and sundry who fancy trying out Warcraft and overworked, underpaid staff is a recipe for greatness of course.

Warcraft: For Free!
Put it this way: you think if Warcraft was suddenly made free millions more people would join? Yeah, I would say so but the experience they would get in game would be of a significantly lesser quality than what subscribing members get at the moment and to be honest thats what a lot of people pay for- a decent quality game experience. There would be overloaded servers and day long wait lists to play. There is only so much a server can handle- and when a server is filled or it fries what happens? Buy more servers to accommodate your larger user base. But buy servers with what? You have no income from the subscribers cause there isn't any- your a free MMO remember? Then your staff start getting cranky when they aren't getting paid and they quit, so what though, hire more staff? With what, think air? Hate to break it to some people but its not a valid currency!

Gaia Battle: For Free
You think Gaia Battle System will be free? In the sense that logging on and playing it wont cost a dime, yeah its free. But why do you think there is this huge sponsor push? Why do you think Cash purchased items were introduced? How long before Gaia starts introducing battle rings purchased through cash that give insane power boosts? Gaia will need a revenue to fund the Battle System and all that goes with it.

Gaia: Making Monies
Companies need to make money- fact. They do this in different ways. If a company doesn't run a subscription for their service they make their money through advertisements and sponsors directly aimed at their users. This is what Gaia does- this site is littered with bullshit ads and sponsors so Gaia can make money, so you don't have to pay. Now consider somebody who 'donates' to Gaia- they don't have to deal with most of the ads but they do have to put with the sponsors and all their s**t floating around. Donating once a month to Gaia is practically like a subscription.

Warcraft: Making Monies
Go to the WoW website, no sponsors, no advertisements for other companies, no in game items from some pissy company or a random anime. No way to purchase your epix with real life cash. Last I checked a big a** MTV store never popped up in Stormwind where I could deliriously deck out my character with the latest in prat pixel fashion from the mother of all corporate whores- MTV. Im pretty sure us Warcraft folk like it like that and thats why we are willing to pay, thats why WoW has a subscription, so we don't have to put up with that crap.

Bottom Line
Warcrafts subscribers pay for the experience, the updated content, the fact they don't have to deal with ads that would otherwise spoil their game experience and ruin the environment. Since Gaia users don't pay a subscription you have to deal with MTV stores, you have to deal with sponsorships and advertisements that are on practically every page of the site. Unless you donate. Which is still like paying a subscription so its not really free then is it?

But what about a subscription free version of WoW like Hellgate London? Thats BS because you think people really want to play half a game? Have a limited experience? What do you exclude from a game like WoW?

By all accounts there is a big amount of moaning about warcraft- buffs and nerfs for classes and all that. But nowhere near as much as there is on Gaia- why? Because Gaia doesn't target a specific group of people, thats why a lot of people don't get Gaia, its hard to define because their market isn't with an easily identified. Besides WoW players have more of a right to moan about their game than Gaians, cause Warcrafters pay for what their game, Gaians don't.

Warcraft is a very specific group of people- those who have a PC/Mac with the power to run it, those interested in fantasy/mmo, those who have the internet and those who have the money to pay for the service, people who like the style and orientation of the graphical content. Now with that in mind how many of the 800 million teenagers are left? 100 million? Less?

Right. Im stopping myself or Ill rant forever and I think topic has gone stale.
     


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CEO Craig knows what a success is.

Yes, he does.

Yes, he does.

Yes, he does.


No... he just knows what big numbers are. And if he tries to emulated WoW he thinks he can do a better job.

I do believe we will get a Battle system before another 3 years goes by.
 
     
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