Unpopular Opinion Thread

[Sianserais]

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Sianserais

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Jayce Reinhardt

Knight of Britannia

Jayce Reinhardt

Unpopular opinion

Not being into Yaoi doesn't make one homophobic. Anyone who claims this is just a straight person trying to defend their fap material.

Similarly not liking romance of any kind doesn't make one a bad person or anything either! Some people just don't like that sort of thing, but it's sort of unpopular to be the one to say that, whether it's yaoi/yuri/het etc, unfortunately. A friend of mine is basically asexual and so romance in books/movies tend to make her rather uncomfortable. When we were younger I used to give her s**t about it (jokingly, but regardless), but now that I'm older, I realize that everyone's tastes are different, and it wasn't a matter of her thinking there should never be romance, ever, it was just her preference.

But I think the homophobic comments are typically a knee-jerk reaction since I think as I mentioned previously, some people tend to assume that any kind of gay couple or trans person in media is just trying to make a statement or whatever, and that is undermining the discussion on both sides. Comments like that feel problematic because we're still such a long way off from accepting differences in the status quo. It doesn't make anyone homophobic for not liking it, definitely not, it's how it's stated. For some people I'm sure the genre is "fap material" sure, but just as I wouldn't lump everyone who doesn't prefer it in the "OMG U HOMOPHOBE" category, I wouldn't imagine everyone who likes it are immature creeps who need to have everybody gay no matter the circumstance. sweatdrop

p.s. not accusing you or anyone else of anything by the way, I just find this discussion rather interesting.

I agree with you, I'm asexual and gay but the amount of times some straight person claimed I was homophobic is laughable.

It's almost like a man defending lesbian porn (Not caring for lesbian porn (That use dildos) makes you anti gay?) that was actually made for men and not actual lesbians but reversed as it's mostly women defending this rubbish.

Edit (Towards others) - and no, I am not heterophobic either because one may disagree with my opinions without resorting to personal attacks. Resorting to personal attacks because of a disagreement is infantile, base, and indicative of a large ego.

Absolutely. I agree and it's annoying how often people who aren't in a group try to claim that you're against that group. I'm openly bisexual and always have been but the moment I say that I don't like Yaoi (because I believe it fettishizes gay men instead of treating them like actual people.) or say that I don't hang out within the gay community (due to a severe trauma that happened to me at the hands of the gay community here) people start to tell me I'm homophobic. I tell them that I'm bisexual and it turns into "Oh well you obviously have internalized homophobia!"

No. I don't. I really don't.

I just prefer to think of gay men as people rather than fap material or accessories ("Sassy Gay Friend" anyone? Yeah any girl who says she needs one of those is an a*****e who doesn't care about him as a person.) I have no problems with the gay community as a whole or anywhere else but locally where I live. It's a small community here, everyone knows each other and after what happened to me I don't want to be near any of those people.

Unpopular opinion (for the same of not derailing): You can dislike something without being a bigot. Not everything is about race, sexuality, gender, or whatever other classification you want to put on it.

I'm actually glad to read your post here. I do however have one question - do you feel that gay men are in some way more fetishized or unfairly portrayed than any other sexual preference out there, and if so, in what way? I'm honestly curious, because I'm not into hentai myself, but I never saw yaoi as being more of a social issue than the longstanding and often culturally accepted objectification of women. I suppose I always figured turnabout was fair play, since the latter shows no sign of going away.
(This, of course, was what was behind my response to you in the other thread.)

Oh absolutely not. I believe that lesbian porn is completely objectifying and that anyone who thinks gay men are disgusting but watches Lesbian porn is a hypocrite. Honestly when it comes to objectification of sexualities I choose to stand up for the gay men more simply because there isn't as much exposure. People don't realize that Yaoi fangirls or "f** Hags" (the non anime version) are essentially reducing these men to objects.

The other issue I see more of here is that in truth you really don't see the objectification going the same way. I don't know any men who specifically become friends with lesbians as a trend. The objectification of lesbians, at least to me, only extends to the sexual gratification. So is it still bad? Absolutely. It turns women into fap material at best. It's porn though and the women who participate are willing just as gay men who participate in gay porn are willing. While logically I do understand that porn is in its entirety objectification at its finest, I have no moral qualms with it so long as the participants are willing. I don't dig porn personally, it doesn't do it for me but I'm more than willing to watch it with my husband.

In the case of objectifying gay men however, it goes beyond mere sexualization into a sort of social construct that belittles them. There's this trend that seemed to start around when I was in Jr. High. Girls felt the need to have a "Sassy gay friend" someone they could go shopping with and talk about boys, learning about men in a nonthreatening way I suppose. Except that when you cease to see this guy as nothing but your token gay, it becomes a problem. You aren't caring for him as a person, you're caring for him as a status symbol.

Yaoi fangirls are the same way. I see it as different merely because men and women are different.

You don't see "Yuri Fanboys" and when you do it's frankly all about the sexuality of it. It's fapmaterial.

Yaoi fangirls are different. They truly take the cake for turning people into objects and they take it too far. At least this is my observation.

Thank you for answering. ^_^ I can definitely see where the issue of the token gay comes in there, and agree that it's not a healthy way to create a relationship. I used to collect some shonen ai stuff years ago, but I always considered that more about the dynamics between the characters' personalities than anything else, so the concept of how that might lead to some significant objectification in real life was eluding me.

[fukii]

Cresolae is fk'n bullshit.

Because Nicolae is mine. emotion_donotwant

[xx I met my fate xx]

Sianserais

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Sianserais

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Jayce Reinhardt

I agree with you, I'm asexual and gay but the amount of times some straight person claimed I was homophobic is laughable.

It's almost like a man defending lesbian porn (Not caring for lesbian porn (That use dildos) makes you anti gay?) that was actually made for men and not actual lesbians but reversed as it's mostly women defending this rubbish.

Edit (Towards others) - and no, I am not heterophobic either because one may disagree with my opinions without resorting to personal attacks. Resorting to personal attacks because of a disagreement is infantile, base, and indicative of a large ego.

Absolutely. I agree and it's annoying how often people who aren't in a group try to claim that you're against that group. I'm openly bisexual and always have been but the moment I say that I don't like Yaoi (because I believe it fettishizes gay men instead of treating them like actual people.) or say that I don't hang out within the gay community (due to a severe trauma that happened to me at the hands of the gay community here) people start to tell me I'm homophobic. I tell them that I'm bisexual and it turns into "Oh well you obviously have internalized homophobia!"

No. I don't. I really don't.

I just prefer to think of gay men as people rather than fap material or accessories ("Sassy Gay Friend" anyone? Yeah any girl who says she needs one of those is an a*****e who doesn't care about him as a person.) I have no problems with the gay community as a whole or anywhere else but locally where I live. It's a small community here, everyone knows each other and after what happened to me I don't want to be near any of those people.

Unpopular opinion (for the same of not derailing): You can dislike something without being a bigot. Not everything is about race, sexuality, gender, or whatever other classification you want to put on it.

I'm actually glad to read your post here. I do however have one question - do you feel that gay men are in some way more fetishized or unfairly portrayed than any other sexual preference out there, and if so, in what way? I'm honestly curious, because I'm not into hentai myself, but I never saw yaoi as being more of a social issue than the longstanding and often culturally accepted objectification of women. I suppose I always figured turnabout was fair play, since the latter shows no sign of going away.
(This, of course, was what was behind my response to you in the other thread.)

Oh absolutely not. I believe that lesbian porn is completely objectifying and that anyone who thinks gay men are disgusting but watches Lesbian porn is a hypocrite. Honestly when it comes to objectification of sexualities I choose to stand up for the gay men more simply because there isn't as much exposure. People don't realize that Yaoi fangirls or "f** Hags" (the non anime version) are essentially reducing these men to objects.

The other issue I see more of here is that in truth you really don't see the objectification going the same way. I don't know any men who specifically become friends with lesbians as a trend. The objectification of lesbians, at least to me, only extends to the sexual gratification. So is it still bad? Absolutely. It turns women into fap material at best. It's porn though and the women who participate are willing just as gay men who participate in gay porn are willing. While logically I do understand that porn is in its entirety objectification at its finest, I have no moral qualms with it so long as the participants are willing. I don't dig porn personally, it doesn't do it for me but I'm more than willing to watch it with my husband.

In the case of objectifying gay men however, it goes beyond mere sexualization into a sort of social construct that belittles them. There's this trend that seemed to start around when I was in Jr. High. Girls felt the need to have a "Sassy gay friend" someone they could go shopping with and talk about boys, learning about men in a nonthreatening way I suppose. Except that when you cease to see this guy as nothing but your token gay, it becomes a problem. You aren't caring for him as a person, you're caring for him as a status symbol.

Yaoi fangirls are the same way. I see it as different merely because men and women are different.

You don't see "Yuri Fanboys" and when you do it's frankly all about the sexuality of it. It's fapmaterial.

Yaoi fangirls are different. They truly take the cake for turning people into objects and they take it too far. At least this is my observation.

Thank you for answering. ^_^ I can definitely see where the issue of the token gay comes in there, and agree that it's not a healthy way to create a relationship. I used to collect some shonen ai stuff years ago, but I always considered that more about the dynamics between the characters' personalities than anything else, so the concept of how that might lead to some unexpected objectification in real life was eluding me.

I definitely see a difference between being an anime fan and being a YaoiFangirl. I'm sure you were the former, not the latter. ^_^ Sorry for the word vomit by the way, my mind was all over the place. XD

[cresceres]

I feel like yaoi is often taken out of context a majority of times. Yaoi was created by women for women in Japan to have a safe area to explore, and men are drawn and written the way they are because its exploration of heavily enforced gender roles. Japanese feminism =/= Western feminism, so it's a little different than the Western notion of slash.

Don't get me wrong though, I think it's very valid to criticize exploitation of sexuality. Just... again, nothing exists in a vacuum.

[Jayce Reinhardt]

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Jayce Reinhardt

xx I met my fate xx

Absolutely. I agree and it's annoying how often people who aren't in a group try to claim that you're against that group. I'm openly bisexual and always have been but the moment I say that I don't like Yaoi (because I believe it fettishizes gay men instead of treating them like actual people.) or say that I don't hang out within the gay community (due to a severe trauma that happened to me at the hands of the gay community here) people start to tell me I'm homophobic. I tell them that I'm bisexual and it turns into "Oh well you obviously have internalized homophobia!"

No. I don't. I really don't.

I just prefer to think of gay men as people rather than fap material or accessories ("Sassy Gay Friend" anyone? Yeah any girl who says she needs one of those is an a*****e who doesn't care about him as a person.) I have no problems with the gay community as a whole or anywhere else but locally where I live. It's a small community here, everyone knows each other and after what happened to me I don't want to be near any of those people.

Unpopular opinion (for the same of not derailing): You can dislike something without being a bigot. Not everything is about race, sexuality, gender, or whatever other classification you want to put on it.

Treating gay men like people might be too progressive for certain users here.

And those girls have a term but it rhymes with Bag Tag and I don't want to set the Tumblr crew off.

The tumblr crew needs to learn to deal with real life on the internet or they won't be able to go outside without blinders. XD

I just feel like these days everything turns into some sort of bigotry to people. "I don't like rap music." "You're racist!" "I don't find cougars attractive" "You're agist!"

It's gotten to the point where disabled people are against non disabled people, deaf against hearing, gays against straights, asexuals against sexuals, colours against colours (this sums up every race beef.)....

I'm sorry that I like green better than blue but that doesn't mean I hate blue!!

You ordered a different kind of sandwich than me at Subway, Gawd you are such an awful awful person!!

(And I try not to be against sexuals but sometimes there is more to life than sex)

[Madam Ace]

Cresceres

I feel like yaoi is often taken out of context a majority of times. Yaoi was created by women for women in Japan to have a safe area to explore, and men are drawn and written the way they are because its exploration of heavily enforced gender roles. Japanese feminism =/= Western feminism, so it's a little different than the Western notion of slash.

Don't get me wrong though, I think it's very valid to criticize exploitation of sexuality. Just... again, nothing exists in a vacuum.

Thank you. Thank you so much for saying what I was struggling to put into word for the past few days.

I feel like people tend to forget that Yaoi is from an entirely different culture context and to judge it under a different set of values...is wrong.

[cresceres]

Madam Ace

Cresceres

I feel like yaoi is often taken out of context a majority of times. Yaoi was created by women for women in Japan to have a safe area to explore, and men are drawn and written the way they are because its exploration of heavily enforced gender roles. Japanese feminism =/= Western feminism, so it's a little different than the Western notion of slash.

Don't get me wrong though, I think it's very valid to criticize exploitation of sexuality. Just... again, nothing exists in a vacuum.

Thank you. Thank you so much for saying what I was struggling to put into word for the past few days.

I feel like people tend to forget that Yaoi is from an entirely different culture context and to judge it under a different set of values...is wrong.

Yeah. I think people don't realize that in Japan, women who are even remotely masculine are believed to unworthy? Same with men who are even remotely feminine. They're undesirables. And yaoi explores these strict gender roles along with sexuality.

I mean, yeah, a 13 year old kid in America isn't going to understand something like this. But it's sort of... an utterly complex situation, you can't really throw a blanket on the entire thing. It's naive to do so.

[Madam Ace]

Cresceres

Madam Ace

Cresceres

I feel like yaoi is often taken out of context a majority of times. Yaoi was created by women for women in Japan to have a safe area to explore, and men are drawn and written the way they are because its exploration of heavily enforced gender roles. Japanese feminism =/= Western feminism, so it's a little different than the Western notion of slash.

Don't get me wrong though, I think it's very valid to criticize exploitation of sexuality. Just... again, nothing exists in a vacuum.

Thank you. Thank you so much for saying what I was struggling to put into word for the past few days.

I feel like people tend to forget that Yaoi is from an entirely different culture context and to judge it under a different set of values...is wrong.

Yeah. I think people don't realize that in Japan, women who are even remotely masculine are believed to unworthy? Same with men who are even remotely feminine. They're undesirables. And yaoi explores these strict gender roles along with sexuality.

I mean, yeah, a 13 year old kid in America isn't going to understand something like this. But it's sort of... an utterly complex situation, you can't really throw a blanket on the entire thing. It's naive to do so.

I'm so glad you said something. If I did, it would have gotten messy since I have sort of a personal stake in that issue.
I grew up with similar social coding in my house. (like I mentioned before I'm Asian American, Thai to be specific) It's hard growing up with a mom that insists on the old fashion values of back home but those are her values...not mine.

Guess there was a reason why I was drawn to Yaoi. Ha ha.

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Jayce Reinhardt

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Jayce Reinhardt

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Absolutely. I agree and it's annoying how often people who aren't in a group try to claim that you're against that group. I'm openly bisexual and always have been but the moment I say that I don't like Yaoi (because I believe it fettishizes gay men instead of treating them like actual people.) or say that I don't hang out within the gay community (due to a severe trauma that happened to me at the hands of the gay community here) people start to tell me I'm homophobic. I tell them that I'm bisexual and it turns into "Oh well you obviously have internalized homophobia!"

No. I don't. I really don't.

I just prefer to think of gay men as people rather than fap material or accessories ("Sassy Gay Friend" anyone? Yeah any girl who says she needs one of those is an a*****e who doesn't care about him as a person.) I have no problems with the gay community as a whole or anywhere else but locally where I live. It's a small community here, everyone knows each other and after what happened to me I don't want to be near any of those people.

Unpopular opinion (for the same of not derailing): You can dislike something without being a bigot. Not everything is about race, sexuality, gender, or whatever other classification you want to put on it.

Treating gay men like people might be too progressive for certain users here.

And those girls have a term but it rhymes with Bag Tag and I don't want to set the Tumblr crew off.

The tumblr crew needs to learn to deal with real life on the internet or they won't be able to go outside without blinders. XD

I just feel like these days everything turns into some sort of bigotry to people. "I don't like rap music." "You're racist!" "I don't find cougars attractive" "You're agist!"

It's gotten to the point where disabled people are against non disabled people, deaf against hearing, gays against straights, asexuals against sexuals, colours against colours (this sums up every race beef.)....

I'm sorry that I like green better than blue but that doesn't mean I hate blue!!

You ordered a different kind of sandwich than me at Subway, Gawd you are such an awful awful person!!

(And I try not to be against sexuals but sometimes there is more to life than sex)

There really is. I love sex, don't get me wrong but I see it as a private thing, not something that needs to be broadcast. I'm not fond of sexual content movies, tv shows, books, or video games and definitely not on Gaia. A tasteful kiss and fade to black or something similar is great but there's no need to show or describe sex acts. Do I need to see a million camera angles of their bodies against each other to know what's going on? No. I don't. I get what's going on, get back to the story.

[xx I met my fate xx]

Madam Ace

Cresceres

Madam Ace

Cresceres

I feel like yaoi is often taken out of context a majority of times. Yaoi was created by women for women in Japan to have a safe area to explore, and men are drawn and written the way they are because its exploration of heavily enforced gender roles. Japanese feminism =/= Western feminism, so it's a little different than the Western notion of slash.

Don't get me wrong though, I think it's very valid to criticize exploitation of sexuality. Just... again, nothing exists in a vacuum.

Thank you. Thank you so much for saying what I was struggling to put into word for the past few days.

I feel like people tend to forget that Yaoi is from an entirely different culture context and to judge it under a different set of values...is wrong.

Yeah. I think people don't realize that in Japan, women who are even remotely masculine are believed to unworthy? Same with men who are even remotely feminine. They're undesirables. And yaoi explores these strict gender roles along with sexuality.

I mean, yeah, a 13 year old kid in America isn't going to understand something like this. But it's sort of... an utterly complex situation, you can't really throw a blanket on the entire thing. It's naive to do so.

I'm so glad you said something. If I did, it would have gotten messy since I have sort of a personal stake in that issue.
I grew up with similar social coding in my house. (like I mentioned before I'm Asian American, Thai to be specific) It's hard growing up with a mom that insists on the old fashion values of back home but those are her values...not mine.

Guess there was a reason why I was drawn to Yaoi. Ha ha.

I agree that nothing exists in a vacuum but there's a serious difference between people raised in that social setting who can use it as a tool to explore sexuality and gender roles and an american girl who uses it because she thinks it's "Soooo Hawwwwt."

[Jayce Reinhardt]

xx I met my fate xx

There really is. I love sex, don't get me wrong but I see it as a private thing, not something that needs to be broadcast. I'm not fond of sexual content movies, tv shows, books, or video games and definitely not on Gaia. A tasteful kiss and fade to black or something similar is great but there's no need to show or describe sex acts. Do I need to see a million camera angles of their bodies against each other to know what's going on? No. I don't. I get what's going on, get back to the story.

It really makes me relate to the "Herbivore" trend in Japan.
But it's pretty similar to what Asexuals are in the states.

[Jinglybell]

Unpopular opinion: I dont mind brains items/sale ect. Also I dont care what people use their tickets on, although im tired of people recoloring 03's. (Thats into response to people who want to limit the number of tickets you can use)