Delphiinae
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right, except i never said they were completely innocent and didn't abuse their powers, i said it wasn't fair that gaia just flat out refused knowing it wasn't their fault the entire fight started, and without telling, they have no idea of the manipulation that occurred, are still really sorry, and gaia still has no mind for that, not even giving them a redemption task of some sort, that's the injustice, that's the bs
you can't base fears on what ifs, every god would have the potential to abuse their abilities, would that mean you'd take away all their powers? it's essentially taking away what they are... second chances, the benefit of a doubt, ever heard of those? there's also "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
zeus abused his powers like crazy in greek mythology, but the people still loved and worshiped him regardless, the overseer and sentinel abused their power fighting over a worm... zeus raped countless women including cousins and sisters... really?
they're sorry, they weren't the reason the fight started and have no idea of this, so it's highly unlikely they would even start fighting again
you also forget that no actual gaians died during the event, we just got some kickass items, and i can understand punishment very well, but the way she's punishing them is injust, considering again that it was never their fault the fight started...
It wasn't their fault. That's the truth. However, their fight started over rumors and an earthworm. If it's that easy to get them fighting, that easy to manipulate them, then they NEED to spend some time as mortals, if for nothing else then to learn how powerfull gods can be to a mortal. They need to see what could happen if they go out of control, as if from the eyes of a mortal. Because if they are given their powers back as they are, then they might not fight right off the bat, but due to their still predictable personalities, they would be far too easy to manipulate. They need to grow back into power, as Gaia said. That way, they will not be as predictable, because they will have had the experience of being mortals. Something they did not have before. As they are now, all Nyx would need to do is plant a carefull word here or there when adressing them, and just like that they are infighting again
this is why i mentioned difficult task/quest? the sentinel was pissed off because they had watched meili die, and something could have been different had they had their powers, i'm not saying they might have saved him... yes i am, i'm saying they might have saved him, and i really liked meili cause he was a tiger and i love tigers, they're f*cking awesome!
but anyway, they're relationship was poisoned before the earthworm fight with whispers and rumors, gaia didn't even bother telling them they had been manipulated or said "not yet, wait a bit longer" or "in due time" but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...
she says... "my judgement was fair and final" burning_eyes at first i'm like okay, they abused their powers, we all saw that... then she explains what nyx and the titan did... and i'm like... if it wasn't their fault and "that's the truth", how can their punishment be "fair" as she said... it's not...
you can't give permanent punishments for temporary problems... that's like killing someone for being annoying after having apologized... that's just not right...
and if she wanted to teach them... she would have told them... which she didn't...
That's just it. It's NOT permanant. She says that if they can come upon greatness of their own power,t hey will appreciate it more. I beleive that means that they CAN get their godly powers back, they just have to be READY for them first. Her punishment is 'fair' because they should not have let themselves be so easily manipulated by lies spread by a single titan, and it was 'final' in that SHE would not just make them gods again right then and there. I beleive when she says they will be great people, she is inferring that they WILL be gods again, just not now
that's just a different interpretation of what she said, in which another could argue that she meant for them to stay human, as she tells them that they will live as mortals, and that they will earn greatness and be great "people"
last time i checked, mortal, people do NOT equal god... ever...
final means final, not temporarily... and again she can't teach them how to not be manipulated in not giving their powers BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO IDEA THEY WERE MANIPULATED, they are completely oblivious to that fact, and their supposed to learn how to not be manipulated? when they never even knew it happened? that makes absolutely no sense, and that's why it's not fair... because she won't even tell them
it's like punishing a child for something and not telling it what it did wrong, that counts as child abuse you know, because it would be same as punishing a child for no reason at least in the child's mind...
now of course with this it's not "no reason", it's for the abuse of their powers, but to put it in perspective, let's say you have an older brother, and your brother convinces you to do something "good" for your parents, but this "good" thing is actually really really bad... none the less you do it, your parents get upset, they ground you, your brother then feels bad and comes clean, he gets off with a slap on the wrist, parents realize it's not your fault but your still grounded and you have no idea your brother is an evil mastermind because your parents don't bother to tell you... is that fair? regardless of how long your grounded, your parents (or gaia) still chose to withhold a very important detail (and before you say, "i don't have a brother" or "i'm too smart for that", if you knew how to put yourself in someone else's shoes, you'd understand easily)
it's not that she wants them to learn, it's that she won't tell them that detail, and from the look of actual things not what you "believe", she does NOT plan on giving their powers back... ever...
just because you "believe" or choose to interpret something a certain way, doesn't make it true, like i said before, i hope progress of the manga will answer my questions and fix this injustice...
"the optimist sees the future as uncertain... the pessimist is always right..." i could be wrong, and honestly hope that i am, i want them to get their powers back, but i don't really see gaia being involved, it would probably make a really good event though
You're not listening to me. I JUST said that SHE would not give them their powers back. That much is true. HOWEVER, judging from the way the manga is going, as well as my experiecne with storylines, and what Gaia herself said, they WILL be able to get their powers back ANOTHER way. Most likely through some trial or other. They most likely allready know about the manipulation, because they knew that Nyx had been banished. A god doesn't just get banished for no reason, the reason is likely well known. Just, at the time, they were too busy fighting each other to realize that they should stop.
oh no, i listened... but then not really because i take things at face value... how they actually are and it didn't seem like you read the manga properly...
let's go back and quote what gaia said "my judgement was fair and final, you will live as mortals"... hmmm, no powers, "i gave you greatness and you abused it, both of you, perhaps if you come by greatness honestly you'll show it more appreciation." (i can see from there, you would draw your interpretation, but then she goes on to say), "overseer, you will be a great man, look to edmund for guidance, for he's among the finest of them(...) she may well be a great woman, help her become one"
now with all that, let's analyze, she means for them to become great and influential PEOPLE, still humans, not gods, why else would she mention edmund? she also says, man and woman, she doesn't want them to be gods again, and shows she has no intention of changing her mind or having a behind the scenes plan
if you'll notice the look in her eyes when she flinches because the sentinel mentions meili, you see slight sadness and of course shock, but also doubt in her own decision for what sentinel said, then she sends sentinel away, with this we see stubbornness, the sentinel may very well be right about meili, but gaia would never admit so nor aid them in protecting the other gods, again, no sign is shown that she even wants them to be gods again
again, i think it's plainly obvious they don't know, otherwise we know that the sentinel with her feisty personality would have mentioned it and how unfair her punishment is given it not being their fault, just like she had mentioned meili being dead? you also forget that as soon as their fight started, they were put under lockdown, then nyx and the titan came clean, and received their punishments, lockdown wasn't lifted for a LONG time according to the story
now... let's think, if they were locked away durring this time... could they know? absolutely not... it's likely they know nyx did something but they have no idea what, otherwise again, sentinel would've been more upset, possibly even overseer
if they get their powers back, it will be against what gaia wants unless she miraculously changes her mind, mortal men do NOT rise to gods on their own, this isn't god of war, and even so, kratos was born one and cast out for zeus' fears, then aided to defeat ares and become one
when you look at the actual picture, it's not fair, stop acting like gaia is perfect with hidden intentions for them, there are none...