Should Gaiaonline.com Abolish the PermaBan?

Should the permaban be abolished

Yes	15.9%	[ 58 ]
No	84.1%	[ 306 ]
Total Votes:			[ 364 ]

[momo-ai13]

I've gotten two warnings (been here since August 2007).
One for trolling and one for asking for help on some homework.
I've never been banned, not even a temporary one.

[Kadaverus]

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Just like in real life, you obey the rule you stay in safe zone... you disobey it, no matter how light it is, you receive a punishment. If they disobey it and yet fail to learn their lesson well its reasonable for Gaia to show them the exit door

Just like in real life i guess.

A stealing is a crime. No matter how little is the value of the item he stole, it is still categorised as stealing and therefore the punishment that person received is based on existed regulation unless other regulation proved otherwise

same principle applies in Gaia

So 50 cents donut
47,000USD per year to keep in prison
77 x 47,000USD = 3,619,00USD
Therefore
Therefore stealing a packet of 50cents worth of donuts is actually worth 3,619,00USD and itherefore is fair

Since you put it that way, sure.

[Kitcat6363]

I got my first account banned when it was barely a month old, right after my birthday, for possessing hacked items. They CLAIM you don't get banned for ending up with a hacked item because you bought it off the MP or someone gifted it to you, but that was what happened to me. And I was brand new, and my birthday had just passed! I actually had some good items for the first time. I understand banning people who do really bad stuff but sometimes it seems that Gaia is too quick to ban.

[Lord Awesomolocity]

Kadaverus

Ryxios

^ Except Gaia generally (important word here) does not jump straight to permabans for non serious violations, so I don't see the point in you linking that. Things in 2012 are not the same as they were in 2006, regardless of your ban circumstances.



In before I get ignored for having a different opinion.

I don't ignore people for having different opinions I don't allow them to participate in a civil discussion if they have a different opinion and call others who don't have their opinions "trolls",

Again I could just report them for harassment for coming back with an alt and saying such asanine claims but if I can handle the situation by keeping troll baiters out I'd rather do that .

The problem is though, that you are ignoring other people's arguments as to why the permaban should stay, which ignoring arguments is one of the number one signs of a troll or really bad at arguing your opinion. Simply ignoring people's opinions, and stating yours is not a good way to bring about change. I didn't call you a troll for a difference in opinions. I respect other people's opinions. I called you a troll for your lack of listen to other arguments

Do I think Gaia should abolish the permaban? No. It's generally used correctly, and if not, there is usually a way to get it back.
But, either way, it was 6 years ago. Isn't that long enough for you to accept the ban? s**t happens, that's life.
But when you make that account on Gaia, you're agreeing to the Gaia rules. And if you break those rules, even if it's minor, you are subject to be punished. I think the mods are relatively fair. Mistakes happen, but more than often if someone gets banned, it's usually the right choice for the situation.

From what I've read (and yes, I've read the whole thread), it seems you're upset about a ban that happened six years ago. It's time to move on. Whether that means leaving Gaia, or just forgetting about it, it's not that hard. I lost an account a year ago, worth 25 million. Guess what: I don't care. I've moved on. Just because you got permabanned doesn't mean the permaban in general is bad. Overall, I think it helps on Gaia, and I'm sorry if you happened to get improperly banned.

~King Awesome

[Leasfy]

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Just like in real life, you obey the rule you stay in safe zone... you disobey it, no matter how light it is, you receive a punishment. If they disobey it and yet fail to learn their lesson well its reasonable for Gaia to show them the exit door

Just like in real life i guess.

A stealing is a crime. No matter how little is the value of the item he stole, it is still categorised as stealing and therefore the punishment that person received is based on existed regulation unless other regulation proved otherwise

same principle applies in Gaia

So 50 cents donut
47,000USD per year to keep in prison
77 x 47,000USD = 3,619,00USD
Therefore
Therefore stealing a packet of 50cents worth of donuts is actually worth 3,619,00USD and itherefore is fair

Since you put it that way, sure.

Yup. The government will put extra length to make sure the safeness of its citizens. Why do you think embassy exists? Why do you think court and law enforcement exists?
So back to main topic. as long as you obey the rule you stay in safe zone. You won't get banned. You mess with the rule you pay the price c; Simple as that

edit: I forgot to mention that 'From little thing big things grow' exists. It may start with 50 cents and we never know what else he might do if he is free roaming around the street

[Fire 0ak]

In any case, both side's could try hearing each other out a little better.
The popular side, proven by the poll and majority of the responses, shows favor for things staying as they are. So I think its understandable that some statements get less attention than others.

The minority disagrees with the current state. I happen to think a reasonable length of time could be agreed on (such as a year or two), after which one may redeem themselves. That would be perfectly fair in my view. I know my opinion changes nothing but I'm concerned about individuals losing something they enjoy and appreciate for reasons they don't understand.
I don't even feel that inflation is a chief issue, as it likely has many more factors than just banned accounts.
It just seems there is scarcely any sympathy or understanding when it comes to this. I give it because I would expect it if it happened to me or anyone, it just seems like the natural response. sweatdrop

[Undead Hatter]

When it comes to Gaiaonline I have never seen one simply get permabanned for simple harassing etc. Hacking, I believe should be punishable to permabanning. Just like the real law system of the death row (permabanned) gaiaonline researches your case, and decides if you are free to go or you sit on perma.

[This Isnt Sparta]

If you cant be arsed to follow the rules and still continue to be an obnoxious piece of dirt despite several warnings telling you to stop, then a permaban is what you deserve. Simple as that. I doubt a day will come when all you get are repeated slaps on the wrist for posting porn all over the place. If you like your account and all the progress you made on it, then it would be in your best interest to behave.
In my honest opinion, if all you do is continue making accounts even after being banned several times for the sole purpose of causing mayhem, then you really really really need to re-evaluate your life and do something productive with your time. Overall, if getting banned several times has to be gaia's way of telling you that they aint going to put up with your s**t then why abolish it?

[Kadaverus]

Lord Awesomolocity

Kadaverus

Ryxios

^ Except Gaia generally (important word here) does not jump straight to permabans for non serious violations, so I don't see the point in you linking that. Things in 2012 are not the same as they were in 2006, regardless of your ban circumstances.



In before I get ignored for having a different opinion.

I don't ignore people for having different opinions I don't allow them to participate in a civil discussion if they have a different opinion and call others who don't have their opinions "trolls",

Again I could just report them for harassment for coming back with an alt and saying such asanine claims but if I can handle the situation by keeping troll baiters out I'd rather do that .

IF you think I am going to read this after your insipid remark on my character, you're dead wrong, this is your last warning, Another attempt to participate in this discussion and I will take it a step higher.

You are no longer welcome in this thread. .

[Kadaverus]

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Just like in real life, you obey the rule you stay in safe zone... you disobey it, no matter how light it is, you receive a punishment. If they disobey it and yet fail to learn their lesson well its reasonable for Gaia to show them the exit door

Just like in real life i guess.

A stealing is a crime. No matter how little is the value of the item he stole, it is still categorised as stealing and therefore the punishment that person received is based on existed regulation unless other regulation proved otherwise

same principle applies in Gaia

So 50 cents donut
47,000USD per year to keep in prison
77 x 47,000USD = 3,619,00USD
Therefore
Therefore stealing a packet of 50cents worth of donuts is actually worth 3,619,00USD and itherefore is fair

Since you put it that way, sure.

Yup. The government will put extra length to make sure the safeness of its citizens. Why do you think embassy exists? Why do you think court and law enforcement exists?
So back to main topic. as long as you obey the rule you stay in safe zone. You won't get banned. You mess with the rule you pay the price c; Simple as that

edit: I forgot to mention that 'From little thing big things grow' exists. It may start with 50 cents and we never know what else he might do if he is free roaming around the street

If you say so but no, currency doesn't grow, currency becomes devalued.
What you think is growth is actually devaluation
If it used to cost 10 cents to buy an orange before and now it costs 1dollar, its not because somehow the orange became more valuable, its because your dollar is worth 10cents.

[Leasfy]

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Just like in real life, you obey the rule you stay in safe zone... you disobey it, no matter how light it is, you receive a punishment. If they disobey it and yet fail to learn their lesson well its reasonable for Gaia to show them the exit door

Just like in real life i guess.

A stealing is a crime. No matter how little is the value of the item he stole, it is still categorised as stealing and therefore the punishment that person received is based on existed regulation unless other regulation proved otherwise

same principle applies in Gaia

So 50 cents donut
47,000USD per year to keep in prison
77 x 47,000USD = 3,619,00USD
Therefore
Therefore stealing a packet of 50cents worth of donuts is actually worth 3,619,00USD and itherefore is fair

Since you put it that way, sure.

Yup. The government will put extra length to make sure the safeness of its citizens. Why do you think embassy exists? Why do you think court and law enforcement exists?
So back to main topic. as long as you obey the rule you stay in safe zone. You won't get banned. You mess with the rule you pay the price c; Simple as that

edit: I forgot to mention that 'From little thing big things grow' exists. It may start with 50 cents and we never know what else he might do if he is free roaming around the street

If you say so but no, currency doesn't grow, currency becomes devalued.
What you think is growth is actually devaluation
If it used to cost 10 cents to buy an orange before and now it costs 1dollar, its not because somehow the orange became more valuable, its because your dollar is worth 10cents.

I am not referring to growth of a item value. I am referring to the criminal act. He may started of stealing with 50 cents and by letting him free out there there is a big chance the history repeats for bigger value items. Internet site like Gaia, however, allow those who were banned to come back. As long as they follow the rules, they stay safe. It's back to that principle really. No matter how 'petty' it is, a crime is a crime. surprised

[Kadaverus]

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

A stealing is a crime. No matter how little is the value of the item he stole, it is still categorised as stealing and therefore the punishment that person received is based on existed regulation unless other regulation proved otherwise

same principle applies in Gaia

So 50 cents donut
47,000USD per year to keep in prison
77 x 47,000USD = 3,619,00USD
Therefore
Therefore stealing a packet of 50cents worth of donuts is actually worth 3,619,00USD and itherefore is fair

Since you put it that way, sure.

Yup. The government will put extra length to make sure the safeness of its citizens. Why do you think embassy exists? Why do you think court and law enforcement exists?
So back to main topic. as long as you obey the rule you stay in safe zone. You won't get banned. You mess with the rule you pay the price c; Simple as that

edit: I forgot to mention that 'From little thing big things grow' exists. It may start with 50 cents and we never know what else he might do if he is free roaming around the street

If you say so but no, currency doesn't grow, currency becomes devalued.
What you think is growth is actually devaluation
If it used to cost 10 cents to buy an orange before and now it costs 1dollar, its not because somehow the orange became more valuable, its because your dollar is worth 10cents.

I am not referring to growth of a item value. I am referring to the criminal act. He may started of stealing with 50 cents and by letting him free out there there is a big chance the history repeats for bigger value items. Internet site like Gaia, however, allow those who were banned to come back. As long as they follow the rules, they stay safe. It's back to that principle really. No matter how 'petty' it is, a crime is a crime. surprised

so instead of giving them the support to better themselves by offering incentives after they've served their time.
We deprive them of anything so they're forced to go back onto their old ways, which makes it so we have to put them back behind bars so our misperceived notion of recidivism can be justified?

And in the meantime screw ourselves over by causing self inflicted inflation.

[Leasfy]

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

A stealing is a crime. No matter how little is the value of the item he stole, it is still categorised as stealing and therefore the punishment that person received is based on existed regulation unless other regulation proved otherwise

same principle applies in Gaia

So 50 cents donut
47,000USD per year to keep in prison
77 x 47,000USD = 3,619,00USD
Therefore
Therefore stealing a packet of 50cents worth of donuts is actually worth 3,619,00USD and itherefore is fair

Since you put it that way, sure.

Yup. The government will put extra length to make sure the safeness of its citizens. Why do you think embassy exists? Why do you think court and law enforcement exists?
So back to main topic. as long as you obey the rule you stay in safe zone. You won't get banned. You mess with the rule you pay the price c; Simple as that

edit: I forgot to mention that 'From little thing big things grow' exists. It may start with 50 cents and we never know what else he might do if he is free roaming around the street

If you say so but no, currency doesn't grow, currency becomes devalued.
What you think is growth is actually devaluation
If it used to cost 10 cents to buy an orange before and now it costs 1dollar, its not because somehow the orange became more valuable, its because your dollar is worth 10cents.

I am not referring to growth of a item value. I am referring to the criminal act. He may started of stealing with 50 cents and by letting him free out there there is a big chance the history repeats for bigger value items. Internet site like Gaia, however, allow those who were banned to come back. As long as they follow the rules, they stay safe. It's back to that principle really. No matter how 'petty' it is, a crime is a crime. surprised

so instead of giving them the support to better themselves by offering incentives after they've served their time.
We deprive them of anything so they're forced to go back onto their old ways, which makes it so we have to put them back behind bars so our misperceived notion of recidivism can be justified?

Well, Gaia gives an allowance through warning system. These warnings is a way for Gaia to give chance for those who have done something wrong to better themselves. Three warnings and you get a perma ban is fair then.

[Kadaverus]

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Yup. The government will put extra length to make sure the safeness of its citizens. Why do you think embassy exists? Why do you think court and law enforcement exists?
So back to main topic. as long as you obey the rule you stay in safe zone. You won't get banned. You mess with the rule you pay the price c; Simple as that

edit: I forgot to mention that 'From little thing big things grow' exists. It may start with 50 cents and we never know what else he might do if he is free roaming around the street

If you say so but no, currency doesn't grow, currency becomes devalued.
What you think is growth is actually devaluation
If it used to cost 10 cents to buy an orange before and now it costs 1dollar, its not because somehow the orange became more valuable, its because your dollar is worth 10cents.

I am not referring to growth of a item value. I am referring to the criminal act. He may started of stealing with 50 cents and by letting him free out there there is a big chance the history repeats for bigger value items. Internet site like Gaia, however, allow those who were banned to come back. As long as they follow the rules, they stay safe. It's back to that principle really. No matter how 'petty' it is, a crime is a crime. surprised

so instead of giving them the support to better themselves by offering incentives after they've served their time.
We deprive them of anything so they're forced to go back onto their old ways, which makes it so we have to put them back behind bars so our misperceived notion of recidivism can be justified?

Well, Gaia gives an allowance through warning system. These warnings is a way for Gaia to give chance for those who have done something wrong to better themselves. Three warnings and you get a perma ban is fair then.

You lost me at "thats fair"

I don't see the fairness in cutting down the limited supplies we have on gaia and letting inflation go on unchecked in the economy making it harder for the regulars to keep up and even more so for the newbies.

[Leasfy]

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Kadaverus

Leasfy

Yup. The government will put extra length to make sure the safeness of its citizens. Why do you think embassy exists? Why do you think court and law enforcement exists?
So back to main topic. as long as you obey the rule you stay in safe zone. You won't get banned. You mess with the rule you pay the price c; Simple as that

edit: I forgot to mention that 'From little thing big things grow' exists. It may start with 50 cents and we never know what else he might do if he is free roaming around the street

If you say so but no, currency doesn't grow, currency becomes devalued.
What you think is growth is actually devaluation
If it used to cost 10 cents to buy an orange before and now it costs 1dollar, its not because somehow the orange became more valuable, its because your dollar is worth 10cents.

I am not referring to growth of a item value. I am referring to the criminal act. He may started of stealing with 50 cents and by letting him free out there there is a big chance the history repeats for bigger value items. Internet site like Gaia, however, allow those who were banned to come back. As long as they follow the rules, they stay safe. It's back to that principle really. No matter how 'petty' it is, a crime is a crime. surprised

so instead of giving them the support to better themselves by offering incentives after they've served their time.
We deprive them of anything so they're forced to go back onto their old ways, which makes it so we have to put them back behind bars so our misperceived notion of recidivism can be justified?

Well, Gaia gives an allowance through warning system. These warnings is a way for Gaia to give chance for those who have done something wrong to better themselves. Three warnings and you get a perma ban is fair then.

You lost me at "thats fair"

I don't see the fairness in cutting down the limited supplies we have on gaia and letting inflation go on unchecked in the economy making it harder for the regulars to keep up and even more so for the newbies.

Can you elaborate further why is it not fair? And also, there are many guides out there that help those newbies in making gold in a legitimate way. You just need to put some effort to explore the sites 3nodding