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The same thing happens at my place of business. Anyone who is fired or laid-off is escorted out of the building by security and not allowed to speak with anyone. We also are not allowed to discuss the circumstances upon which the employee was let go. It's just the way most businesses work.

Best of luck to all who have left and to all those that are left! heart


I work in retail and the only time someone is escorted out is when the undercover security guy has caught staff stealing. Therefore as a way of shaming them, they escort them out of the building for the crime. So this is understandable and reasons why it's done this way. This is retail though.

I've heard that over here when people are fired from office companies, they are done appropriately and staff are given a chance to fight for their job, and even say goodbye to their work mates. Gosh in some cases they even chuck a going away party.. And everything is done professionally.

But since these guys have done nothing to deserve it, such in this situation here. Why is it done in such a disorderly and disrespectful way? This is just heartless, really. From what I've read thus far, None of this is done on amicable terms. 3nodding


It also affects the Gaia community. Obviously he missed that like one of the previous ones? (Wall Street attitudes does not work on Main Street)

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I work in retail and the only time someone is escorted out is when the undercover security guy has caught staff stealing. Therefore as a way of shaming them, they escort them out of the building for the crime. So this is understandable and reasons why it's done this way. This is retail though.

I've heard that over here when people are fired from office companies, they are done appropriately and staff are given a chance to fight for their job, and even say goodbye to their work mates. Gosh in some cases they even chuck a going away party.. And everything is done professionally.

But since these guys have done nothing to deserve it, such in this situation here. Why is it done in such a disorderly and disrespectful way? This is just heartless, really. From what I've read thus far, None of this is done on amicable terms. 3nodding


It also affects the Gaia community. Obviously he missed that like one of the previous ones? (Wall Street attitudes does not work on Main Street)
I totally agree.

Not all companies treat their laid off employees like criminals. For long-time, trusted employees, a company can explain the reasons and let them know in advance so they have time to look for something else, allow them to "resign", have a nice sendoff for them, and write them a sterling letter of reference they can take to their next job. Someone like Pan, as classy and decent a guy as he is, would have gone out of his way to ease the transition and do whatever he could to make it easier on the people left behind.

I'm sure Gaia didn't decide to lay off these people the same day they were told -- it was something being planned for a while. I mean, they'd have to figure out all the personnel aspects of it in advance, which means they could have given these people some notice. And if they had explained why the layoffs were necessary (honesty is always the best policy), I'm sure it would have worked out a lot better in the long run and preserved the company's image.

Companies aren't obligated to treat their employees with this much consideration, and maybe there's even a slight risk to the company in operating this way, but I believe the benefits in employee morale and company reputation far outweigh the slight risk that some disgruntled employee might do some damage to the company on their last day or whatever.

Basically, I have zero respect for that new CEO and the way he treated those people.

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Hey everyone,

What I can tell you is that the changes were made purely for business reasons. The people who are no longer with Gaia are amazing individuals with talent, passion, and great spirit. This move wasn't about people not doing their jobs, or lacking in skills/abilities - it was simply made to help Gaia Online continue to be a vibrant and vital community.
Take care everyone,
- Sisky

I call total and utter Bull s**t to that statement (not to you personally, siskataya).
Some of those people ARE WHAT MADE GAIA "vibrant" and were 'vital' TO THE COMMUNITY! scream

Besides for you, siskataya, and a couple others I can think of, majority of the truly great employees that we users see were among those released... they took the time to listen to us, to interact with us, and more importantly, to communicate with us. They had so much passion and heart for Gaia and were always trying to balance Gaia's needs with the user's wants/desires, an impossible task, but they tried their best anyways!

So how are we suppose to believe the decision was to help Gaia continue to be vibrant? They just release most of the staff we users trusted and cared for. They just released truly talented people who cared for the company, too. How can we believe it was for the best?

How can we be optimistic about the future of Gaia when it isn't based on the employee's performance and contributions to the company, but for some 'other' reason, that makes no sense to us? That means there are many people still employed (probably many of those artist that seem to only be able to draw pink and/or frilly crap... stare ), while other talented ones were released. neutral

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          I understand...hopefully this doesn't mean Gaia is in trouble, though?
          Thanks for informing us Sisky, it's upsetting to a lot of us and it's nice to see current staff addressing the situation.

No, it is not nice to see current staff addressing the issue. Current staff should not have to be burdened with such a task!

Which further disheartens me about this whole situation. It also worries me for the future of the few remaining staff that do communicate with the users, like siskataya, swarf, biglanky, zero, etc. neutral

I do not know what to make of the changes so far... but it does not look good at all

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No, it is not nice to see current staff addressing the issue. Current staff should not have to be burdened with such a task!
I agree. It's a low-class move to hide behind your staff, just as it was a low-class move to let those people go in such a demeaning way. I don't know where they ever found this guy, but he truly doesn't belong as CEO of Gaia,

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I would just like to know where the site goes from here. Do the remaining staff pick up the pieces, do you hire young talent to replace one of the last people who had any idea how zOMG works? Do you take zOMG permanently offline because it is nothing but a drain on the bottom line?

I realize that I'm just someone posting on an internet forum, and despite the fact that I have been an active member of the site for 9 years, Gaia owes me nothing. However, it would be nice to see some kind of reason for such a sudden and brutal round of layoffs, especially when two of them were principal developers of HoC; which purportedly is having a major problem with user retention and the old song and dance of not performing to expectations.

The site itself will continue as it has with most of the same staff that it had before. Obviously I can't go into detail but our overall plans are thus far unaffected by things and development/maintenance on the site and its features has already continued. I'm not the one who makes hiring decisions but I'm not aware of current plans to hire anyone to fill the positions left by those who were let go. We don't have any plans to remove any features, content, or games from the site so no, we won't be taking zOMG! offline.

Unfortunately, we're not really able to elaborate on the reasoning behind it. Only those internal to the company are privy to such information. That's really all I can say about it.



With as limited as the staff was before, and now it's feeling bare boned, how will everyone keep up with everything? There is only so much one person can do and I feel like that everything is being overloaded onto the few people that are left.

No plants to remove but downsize? How can you keep stuff running without the proper amount to run it or at least an amount that doesn't squash one or two people into doing such a massive project by themselves?

I'm a little scared the site is starting to crumble from the inside out with everything that has been happening lately and as much as I want to support this site, I don't want to support the, in my opinion, bad decisions that the new CEO is making.

Those of us who were working on the site before are still here. Myself, codemonkey, Narumi, carbonphyber, edy, and oxydizer are all still here. The plans we had prior to this haven't been affected because those assigned to the various projects are still able to work on them. We've done everything you've seen the last year or two with that group of people and we'll continue to do so since we're a pretty stubborn bunch.

It is scary to see such drastic changes but they wouldn't be made if it wasn't absolutely necessary. I don't know the reasoning behind why specific people were affected by this but I know the overall reason it had to happen and while it sucks for everyone involved, it's a reality that has to occur. Gaia's not down for the count just yet, we still have some very talented and passionate people working behind the scenes to make things as awesome as we can. We have some very exciting projects slated for the coming months and second half of the year so I hope that what has happened doesn't discourage people from sticking around because I think many will really enjoy what we have planned.


That is the problem, some of the people let go were some of the very talented and passionate people working directly with us and not behind the scenes! We are shocked, surprised, upset, concerned because it is some of those very few remaining talented people that worked with us that were released... so suddenly and without any clue as to why.

Sure, there are still some talented people left (you, sisky, zero, codemonkey, etc) left that still communicate with us, but the number of you talented, passionate people are dwindling down and as you said earlier, there are no plans to hire new people, and the work load has not decreased. That means their work is being pushed onto the remaining staff, which means you guys will have less time to interact with us, which again, goes back to our concerns and frustrations with this situation.

It is like having a huge family and you find out that some of your closest relatives (cousins, brothers, sisters, uncles, etc) the ones you enjoyed seeing at family events and gatherings, were asked to not come to anymore family events and gatherings. Sure, you still have relatives left, but you don't know most of them, other than maybe their name when you see them, and there are still a couple of relatives left you look forwards to seeing and spending time with, but there are not that many left now.

Sure you aren't going to stop going to the events in the immediate future, especially because there are still a couple of relatives left you want to see, but it doesn't bring the same amount of enjoyment thinking and looking forward to the next event or gathering with out them there either.
Plus, it makes you wonder if something like this will happen to any of the remaining relatives you do like in the near future?!?

If we just wanted to be on a social site, there are plenty to chose from. What makes Gaia special is the 'family' atmosphere the users and staff have with each other. We aren't just some user name and # in a database on Gaia, at least many of us do not feel that we are. Because of staff like you, Pan, JK, sisky, etc, etc, we feel connected with the staff and we care about what you guys go through, both at work and outside of work. There are many cheering sisky on with her healthy lifestyle change and others that are benefiting from her journal and changing their life, too! How many other social media sites can say the same thing about the interaction between their staff and users?!?

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Unfortunately, we're not really able to elaborate on the reasoning behind it. Only those internal to the company are privy to such information. That's really all I can say about it.



Milady, PAN himself pointed out in an edit to his journal that not every company even allows staff the oprion of saying goodbye prolely; Gaia was up until now the exception. YOU'll aslso note that he himsle fisn't angry and that he plans to come by and visit as an ordinry Gaian.

And Kenny, ; Many of us have felt for a long time that Gaia was an exception to the usual corporate culture and exceptionally connected to its users. As such, it might be in Gaia's best interests to make an exception to company policy in this case and publicly release said information in the interests of transparency.

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The same thing happens at my place of business. Anyone who is fired or laid-off is escorted out of the building by security and not allowed to speak with anyone. We also are not allowed to discuss the circumstances upon which the employee was let go. It's just the way most businesses work.

Best of luck to all who have left and to all those that are left! heart


I work in retail and the only time someone is escorted out is when the undercover security guy has caught staff stealing. Therefore as a way of shaming them, they escort them out of the building for the crime. So this is understandable and reasons why it's done this way. This is retail though.

I've heard that over here when people are fired from office companies, they are done appropriately and staff are given a chance to fight for their job, and even say goodbye to their work mates. Gosh in some cases they even chuck a going away party.. And everything is done professionally.

But since these guys have done nothing to deserve it, such in this situation here. Why is it done in such a disorderly and disrespectful way? This is just heartless, really. From what I've read thus far, None of this is done on amicable terms. 3nodding


I'm not trying to argue but where are you from? You said "over here". I live in the US and work in a cubicle. Sadly in the past, I have been one of the people escorted out by security as have coworker/friends of mine. It's standard practice for our industry. (I work in the television industry.) Some places may not have adopted this method. I was "fired" because new owners came in and did a clean sweep of everyone who had worked there for less than a year. I fell in that group. The official reason I was personally given was my manager didn't like me. Sometimes life just isn't fair. I went on to get a better job with better pay. I look back at that time saying it was a good thing. Hopefully, this is true for the staff who have left Gaia.

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No, it is not nice to see current staff addressing the issue. Current staff should not have to be burdened with such a task!
I agree. It's a low-class move to hide behind your staff, just as it was a low-class move to let those people go in such a demeaning way. I don't know where they ever found this guy, but he truly doesn't belong as CEO of Gaia,

Just wanted to address this one real quick since it seems to be a rather big jump to make from where things are. I'm not being used by anyone to hide behind, nor have I been told to try and put out the fires so anyone else can avoid doing so. It's pretty much entirely on myself that I'm in here answering/responding to questions because I saw a lot of misinformation and anger and thought that I could try to provide as much clarification and insight as I could to help. The thing about Gaia is we're not like other companies. We don't communicate strictly through one PR person or a pre-written company statement. One of us may make an "official statement" but they also, along with everybody else, hang around and contribute in the Q&A that follows the statement. We're getting any information out to you guys that we can so you can better understand what's going on. Whether that information comes from myself, from Sisky, or from anyone else on the staff, it's still the same information and personally, I'd find it annoying if I wasn't allowed to come in and help in these kinds of situations. Having specific people to yell and scream at may make you feel a little better, but it isn't going to change what has happened and it won't get the confidential details released. The answers really are still the same.

tl;dr version: We're here because we want to be, not because we're being forced to or are trying to shield anyone from your reactions and feedback. We do actually convey your feedback to those making decisions. Whether they hear it firsthand while being cornered in a forum, or from us after we've heard it ourselves, they're still hearing it.

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The same thing happens at my place of business. Anyone who is fired or laid-off is escorted out of the building by security and not allowed to speak with anyone. We also are not allowed to discuss the circumstances upon which the employee was let go. It's just the way most businesses work.

Best of luck to all who have left and to all those that are left! heart


I work in retail and the only time someone is escorted out is when the undercover security guy has caught staff stealing. Therefore as a way of shaming them, they escort them out of the building for the crime. So this is understandable and reasons why it's done this way. This is retail though.

I've heard that over here when people are fired from office companies, they are done appropriately and staff are given a chance to fight for their job, and even say goodbye to their work mates. Gosh in some cases they even chuck a going away party.. And everything is done professionally.

But since these guys have done nothing to deserve it, such in this situation here. Why is it done in such a disorderly and disrespectful way? This is just heartless, really. From what I've read thus far, None of this is done on amicable terms. 3nodding


I'm not trying to argue but where are you from? You said "over here". I live in the US and work in a cubicle. Sadly in the past, I have been one of the people escorted out by security as have coworker/friends of mine. It's standard practice for our industry. (I work in the television industry.) Some places may not have adopted this method. I was "fired" because new owners came in and did a clean sweep of everyone who had worked there for less than a year. I fell in that group. The official reason I was personally given was my manager didn't like me. Sometimes life just isn't fair. I went on to get a better job with better pay. I look back at that time saying it was a good thing. Hopefully, this is true for the staff who have left Gaia.


Being escorted out by security seems to be a deliberately embarrassing and demeaning way to go, especially if you weren't causing any problems that would warrant an escort by security. And as a company wide policy? Sheesh. I'm sorry you had to go through that. It's sad that some employers don't actually treat their employees like people.

As for the staff members who recently left Gaia, I didn't know any of them personally but I wish each and every one of them the best. I hope they're able to get back on their feet quickly and move onto bigger and brighter things. I also wish the remaining staff the best of luck in moving forward and dealing with the challenges that these changes will give them.

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I am an oldbie. My first account was made in 2004.

For the past, say, 3 years, this website has lost its spark. Like many others here have pointed out Gaia Interactive is indeed a business. I hope business is thriving for you, because the sense of community and unity has left the building and has been gone for a very long time. I have found myself logging in maybe once or twice a week for the past few years.

While I completely understand why certain legalities and agreements must be kept in place for the privacy of the company, the current and the former employees, the fact that many significant pieces to this puzzle of confusion are missing is glaringly obvious.

I have been around to (unfortunately) witness previous layoffs, and none have been easy. But something about the method used...doesn't sit well with me. Like I said, the sense of unity and family is no longer there.

I sincerely hope that all of the individuals involved will find other places that will appreciate their work and their loyalty.

My sympathies to Uncle Kenny and Sisky right now for picking up the pieces of broken pixels on this floor. I cannot imagine it is easy for either of you.
I wonder how many other staff members have a problem with how things are being run but are afraid to speak up in case they too get the boot next time the CEO decides to fire people...

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emoschicklet


I'm not trying to argue but where are you from? You said "over here". I live in the US and work in a cubicle. Sadly in the past, I have been one of the people escorted out by security as have coworker/friends of mine. It's standard practice for our industry. (I work in the television industry.) Some places may not have adopted this method. I was "fired" because new owners came in and did a clean sweep of everyone who had worked there for less than a year. I fell in that group. The official reason I was personally given was my manager didn't like me. Sometimes life just isn't fair. I went on to get a better job with better pay. I look back at that time saying it was a good thing. Hopefully, this is true for the staff who have left Gaia.


I'm from Australia. Sorry I didn't write that down in my previous post. I tend to just say 'over here' Which means it could be anyways really. lol.

Wow, you've got, or rather had a pretty neat job. I'd love to work in TV land. That would be awesome. However, for you boss to sack you under the reason of not liking you. That's unfair dismissal and you have the right to fight that case. If I were you, I would, and I wouldn't let that person get away with it.

A lot of people get fired when someone new steps in. But what gets me, is that new boss does not give the older staff a choice of either getting moved around and working elsewhere, or perhaps having a pay cut. Anything is better than not having a job at all, right? And later on down the track, he or she will hire someone for that exact same position.

Don't get me wrong, there are always good reasons why things are down. But then the question remains is it the best reason or the real reason? sweatdrop

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emoschicklet



The same thing happens at my place of business. Anyone who is fired or laid-off is escorted out of the building by security and not allowed to speak with anyone. We also are not allowed to discuss the circumstances upon which the employee was let go. It's just the way most businesses work.

Best of luck to all who have left and to all those that are left! heart


I work in retail and the only time someone is escorted out is when the undercover security guy has caught staff stealing. Therefore as a way of shaming them, they escort them out of the building for the crime. So this is understandable and reasons why it's done this way. This is retail though.

I've heard that over here when people are fired from office companies, they are done appropriately and staff are given a chance to fight for their job, and even say goodbye to their work mates. Gosh in some cases they even chuck a going away party.. And everything is done professionally.

But since these guys have done nothing to deserve it, such in this situation here. Why is it done in such a disorderly and disrespectful way? This is just heartless, really. From what I've read thus far, None of this is done on amicable terms. 3nodding


It also affects the Gaia community. Obviously he missed that like one of the previous ones? (Wall Street attitudes does not work on Main Street)


Yikes!! I don't know much about Wall st stuff. You'd probably think I'm weird, but seriously and honestly I don't follow it.. sweatdrop

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I totally agree.

Not all companies treat their laid off employees like criminals. For long-time, trusted employees, a company can explain the reasons and let them know in advance so they have time to look for something else, allow them to "resign", have a nice sendoff for them, and write them a sterling letter of reference they can take to their next job. Someone like Pan, as classy and decent a guy as he is, would have gone out of his way to ease the transition and do whatever he could to make it easier on the people left behind.

I'm sure Gaia didn't decide to lay off these people the same day they were told -- it was something being planned for a while. I mean, they'd have to figure out all the personnel aspects of it in advance, which means they could have given these people some notice. And if they had explained why the layoffs were necessary (honesty is always the best policy), I'm sure it would have worked out a lot better in the long run and preserved the company's image.

Companies aren't obligated to treat their employees with this much consideration, and maybe there's even a slight risk to the company in operating this way, but I believe the benefits in employee morale and company reputation far outweigh the slight risk that some disgruntled employee might do some damage to the company on their last day or whatever.

Basically, I have zero respect for that new CEO and the way he treated those people.


Thank you very much. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You wrote this down the way I think it and wanted to write it, but couldn't.. When I get angry/mad, I can't think straight and all my wording just comes out randomly all over the place.

Although I understand companies have a business to run and things need to be done. However, I know for a fact that if it can be helped, the problem can be worked around. Staff can be shifted and even lower pay cuts if need be. But offer this to them and let them make the choices of what is right and what they want. Considering a lot of these guys are long time employees. Am I correct?

I also love the fact that you wrote down, the people should have notice in order to get their life straightened out and find an appropriate job. These are good people who are great workers, that are appreciated by many people around here. Instant dismissal on the spot does not give that person much to go by in the next job. And yes about that referral too. As I said in the above post, if all this was not done on amicable terms then getting a referral may be hard.

Had everything been done much more professionally, with lots of notice, then just maybe this wouldn't be as bad.. *shrugs*

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