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This is the trend that doesn't end....yes it goes on and on, my friend...some people started doing it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue doing it forever, just because...this is the trend that doesn't end, yes it goes on and on, my friend, some people.....

*cough* Anyway- Bawwwing. At some point in their Gaian lives, a majority of people seem to do it. More often, however, when things may not go their way or follow the path they may have expected. Have you ever wondered who coined the term, "bawwwwing"? Is the term overused to the point where it's just become an annoyance, like that classic, endless song?

Some people, I've noticed seem to "Bawwww" simply to be heard, while others, the more dangerous, rabid groups of Gaians who gather together in massive armies in certain forums, seem to "bawwww" over features of Gaia itself.

A recent trend I've been noticing is that a lot of Gaians are bawwwing harder- and more often- about something that has replaced the old life blood of Gaia itself. That's right- I'm talking about our beloved Evolving items.

I've seen the first major bawwwing shitstorm back with EI's back when the Diapered Egg was still evolving. (If anyone thinks there have been other bawwwfests before that time, please feel free to share it- as my memory before then is pretty etchy) There was an explosion of bawwwing and hate, and threats toward Sukinahito all across the board while she was working on her item. Many screamed that her EI should be given to another artist to work on, many questioned as to why Suki was given an EI to work on if she despises pixelling items, while more raged that she should be fired because the evolutionary course was taking far too long.

The second major bawww bombing hit Gaia in August (?) and was directed toward the Case of Pietro and its artist, Reapersun. It was yet another Evolving Item that strayed from its predicted evolutionary course after its first evolution, and enraged many who lacked the patience to wait it out. Following the trend of complaints with the Diapered Egg, many people encouraged Gaia to give Reaper's beloved item for someone else to work on. Do you think that something like that would not only be insulting to the artist who started on it, but insulting to the fans of the starter artist, if it's passed on? Surely, the secondary artist will put their own twist on the EI, and completely stray from the original concept the starter artist had, which could ultimately kill or save it, depending on the consumer's P.O.V

Lastly, there was bawwwing over the more recent, EI, Bad Moon, which had a speedy evoultionary process during the month of October, and wasn't "put off", like the aforementioned EI's. But the bawwwing this time was directed at the fact that it was insanely overpriced for the amount of evolutions that it had, that mostly provided over 9000 recolors of certain poses. Many mentioned that they were not a fan of Drinky Tengu's work, and that she should've included more items, and not recolors, for the cost of it.

I can only wonder which artist will be put on the chopping block in the near future, and if they're actually deserving of the bawwwing shitstorms and threats that get thrown their way. Who do you think is next? Surely, if they have a good reputation with EI's their (true) fans will rise anongst the bawwwers and defend them. Is it really considered asskissing to stand up for the person you admire?
Most people seem to only be happy when there's something they can complain about?

I don't mind feedback of the negative variety, otherwise, how could Gaia improve if we didn't tell them what we don't like; however I feel seriously ashamed when I see people openly insulting the artists or admins in any way, that is NEVER the right way to address such an issue. Intelligent discussion is the way to go, otherwise chances are high that you won't be taken seriously anyways.

I'm a bit tired of repeat topics, seriously one complaint thread should be enough, just keep it alive okay? But the bazillion threads the Case of Pietro and the Halloween event generated is simply ridiculous. If you can't add a new aspect to the topic, you shouldn't make a new thread.

Well, there will be more complaints when the next RIG comes out 8D
You can bet your money on that.

The gist is: Yes, critiquing the site is good, but do it without insults; give reasons/examples and most importantly point out what you want instead and how it might be achieved.
And please don't post repeat threads spamming the forum with the same topic over and over =_=
Wow, I've come to really hate the term "bawww" in these past few weeks.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the work the artists here at Gaia do, I really do.

But to be honest...the art thing is their job. They get paid for it, and those of us who invest real money into the site, to help them keep their jobs, expect a little something decent for the money.

If I was making shirts for a living, and you asked for a shirt, you would expect a shirt, and in a timely manner. Not a shirt with 4 right sleeves that each sleeve is a different color, and took 3 months to make. And then have the audacity to ask you for 50% more than the better shirt I made you last year.
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I don't think the term is overused, because it's just an identifier for the type of behavior. I mean, what else would we call it? Other than being a jerk? Anywho, I don't think its asskissing to stand up for an artist who you like because the type of bawing I'm thinking of isn't "I really didn't like this" it's "I ******** hate this you c**t! You got to hell and die!" etc. When I hear stuff like that I could stand up for an artist who I might even really like to much. It's just overboard, ya'know?
I think there is a difference between honest constructive criticism and just complaining to complain.

People do not seem to know the difference.

I have seen so many threads in the SF where people have a title of an item and on the inside all it says is "This Item sucks, I hate it" well even if you hate it how the hell does that help the artist improve it so you WON'T hate it? and if you try to tell them this it's "Well that's my feedback" If you don't have a colored name users don't want to be told anything from other users as they clearly have all the answers. dramallama
(Then those same people come back with "wry was I banned? Mods r teh sux0rs!" )

Well if all your feedback is "It sucks" then your just another self entitled brat who needs to be knocked down a few pegs.

On the other end of the spectrum are those people who attack you for no reason as they are "Fangirls" of the admins and they can do no wrong. Say one word out of line that is not worshipping and they spring up out of nowhere, take your words out of context and claim your just as bad as the people with the two word "feedbacks"

If we could find some kind of balance between these two extremes I think maybe we COULD be relatively happy as a forum.

Now as I am tired and rambling I will stop here.
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Wow, I've come to really hate the term "bawww" in these past few weeks.

same here. it just sounds childish to respond to a complainer with "baaww." that, and it's just an irritating word.
The Angelic Nitemare
Don't get me wrong, I love the work the artists here at Gaia do, I really do.

But to be honest...the art thing is their job. They get paid for it, and those of us who invest real money into the site, to help them keep their jobs, expect a little something decent for the money.

If I was making shirts for a living, and you asked for a shirt, you would expect a shirt, and in a timely manner. Not a shirt with 4 right sleeves that each sleeve is a different color, and took 3 months to make. And then have the audacity to ask you for 50% more than the better shirt I made you last year.
I think many people forget that they're expexted to do so much more than make EIs's at Gaia. Using your example, if you make shirts for a living- you just make shirts. You're not expected to be pulled away from that and put ona different project in- say construction- and forced to put your shirts on hold for the moment, making customers who ordered a shirt, wait until you're done whatever job you got pulled off by a superior to work on.
The term is an onomatopoeia for crying. It was prominently featured in a furry artist's comic, depicting a rabbit crying over not getting what he wanted. The internet meme generator (read; 4chan's Anonymous) took it, removed the unnecessary trash, and started spreading it around the internet.

Now, instead of simply being an onomatopoeia for crying, it's synonymous with "bitching". For example;

"Stop bitching about those minor details!"
"Stop baaaaaaawing about those minor details!"

The examples you posted fall under the "bitching" category. While it's respectable in a sense that they're criticizing an artist's work (which many don't seem to appreciate, but is necessary for an artist's development), they go too far, so much as to sound like they're saying "BAAAAAW, I DIDN'T GET WHAT I WANT SO I'LL b***h AND MOAN ABOUT IT!" They do have a bit of a point, however. They payed real money for online currency, and they feel cheated out of it. I'd be a bit pissed too if I payed for something that started out nice and turned to trash later, but that's natural.

There was no guarantee it would be x item. There was no hint that it would be x item. Speculation declared it would be x item, and the lemmings followed that speculation. Unfortunately for those lemmings, there was a dead end and a completely unexpected path elsewhere.
I don't get what's with the internet these days. Actually, with the general population from ages 12 to, oh, 30. It's like honest, calm critique is forgotten and it turns into a very angry sounding complaint. The smallest change can send people into fits, and they gather in forces to do one giant mass complaint, often with accusations towards the site in question that they need to "stop fixing what isn't broke".

It's like hating and complaining is the newest trend. ;( (See: Twilight. Admit it - it mostly got so much publicity because it was popular to hate on.)

I don't mind it when people have a negative opinion towards something, but I just wish people would express it more calmly, and in a less "IT'S NOT WHAT I WANTED SO I HATE IT WHY DON'T YOU GUYS EVER LISTEN" way.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the work the artists here at Gaia do, I really do.

But to be honest...the art thing is their job. They get paid for it, and those of us who invest real money into the site, to help them keep their jobs, expect a little something decent for the money.

If I was making shirts for a living, and you asked for a shirt, you would expect a shirt, and in a timely manner. Not a shirt with 4 right sleeves that each sleeve is a different color, and took 3 months to make. And then have the audacity to ask you for 50% more than the better shirt I made you last year.
I think many people forget that they're expected to do so much more than make EIs's at Gaia. Using your example, if you make shirts for a living- you just make shirts. You're not expected to be pulled away from that and put on a different project in- say construction- and forced to put your shirts on hold for the moment, making customers who ordered a shirt, wait until you're done whatever job you got pulled off by a superior to work on.


I get that, but here is the thing, many of those EIs are supposed to be planned for the most part, months in advance, as well as other stuff too. And these kind of time constraints and project shifts, these artists are well aware they will happen. It's part of the job.

I don't want to see them chewed out, but at what point do we start asking them to be held accountable for their work?
The Angelic Nitemare
Don't get me wrong, I love the work the artists here at Gaia do, I really do.

But to be honest...the art thing is their job. They get paid for it, and those of us who invest real money into the site, to help them keep their jobs, expect a little something decent for the money.

If I was making shirts for a living, and you asked for a shirt, you would expect a shirt, and in a timely manner. Not a shirt with 4 right sleeves that each sleeve is a different color, and took 3 months to make. And then have the audacity to ask you for 50% more than the better shirt I made you last year.

But... they never guaranteed you it was going to be, say, a normal shirt. Yes, if it was a business like a t-shirt business, and you order a black shirt and get a white one, you would have reason to be annoyed. But if you hire an artist to commission something, you can't complain about what you were given unless you SPECIFICALLY asked for it and were SPECIFICALLY told what you were going to get. In Gaia's case, it's rare for an artist to say "Okay, this is what you're getting." We only get hints, and what we make of those hints can be different than what it really is. It might not be what you were hoping for, and you might be disappointed, but they're not breaking any promises.
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Honestly, "defend"-ing them? Why do you need to "defend" them? Can't you state a contrary opinion to those stating some critique/complaint without acting like the personally appointed guard of an employee's "honor"?

Lavishing people in nothing but saccharine-laced compliment and defense does nothing to help anyone improve artistically, and gives the site no incentive to fix what may not be working as well as it should.

I'll take "bawwww" over "OMG UR MEANZ Y U HAET ____ UR A TROLLZ" any day.
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"Baww" Is the GCDers mating call.
You say it and everybody comes.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the work the artists here at Gaia do, I really do.

But to be honest...the art thing is their job. They get paid for it, and those of us who invest real money into the site, to help them keep their jobs, expect a little something decent for the money.

If I was making shirts for a living, and you asked for a shirt, you would expect a shirt, and in a timely manner. Not a shirt with 4 right sleeves that each sleeve is a different color, and took 3 months to make. And then have the audacity to ask you for 50% more than the better shirt I made you last year.

But... they never guaranteed you it was going to be, say, a normal shirt. Yes, if it was a business like a t-shirt business, and you order a black shirt and get a white one, you would have reason to be annoyed. But if you hire an artist to commission something, you can't complain about what you were given unless you SPECIFICALLY asked for it and were SPECIFICALLY told what you were going to get. In Gaia's case, it's rare for an artist to say "Okay, this is what you're getting." We only get hints, and what we make of those hints can be different than what it really is. But just because there was that difference doesn't mean they weren't "giving you what you want".


I see what you are saying, but the point I am trying to make, is even if we don't know what we are getting, a timely rate of production is expected. No matter the work. 20 min for a burger, 2 days if the power goes out, months for pixel art. Times like those are generally accepted as "not quick." No matter how pretty it is. And a certain measure of quality, rather than a recolor that can be done in 30 second in all colors in Animation shop, including save time if you aren't picky about names.

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