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Too much bishounen(is that how you spell it?)in dissidia. They need to make some of them look more like men instead of women who dress like men! scream
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TheTonberryKing What I find to be more compelling evidence is the hair. Or rather, the lack of it. Celes has what is possibly the most glamourous female hairstyle of any FF character to date. Long, blonde, very flowing, and quite pretty as far as every Amano illustration of her depicts. And yet the profile of the female, if we are to assume it a she, and one of the VI girls, shows no sign of long flowing hair. The cape woul contrast with anything against it, I'm quite sure of this. If anything, you'll notice that the back of Zidane's head, and the back of Unknown Female's head share the same double triangle point. Zidane has a poneytail. We can speculate that the female character probably also has a poneytail. Terra, one art style or another, has always had an upraised plush poneytail, pulled tightly back. Even if I can't justify the comparison to Zidane, which I admit is shakey, I firmly believe this character does not have the long hair required for it to be even remotely guessable as Celes. But thats all I've got. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8HzEyRAf6E&feature=related Examine and say what you think. I wish that had shown the 4:45 scene rather than just the 0:47. From the right, what we know: Squall (distinctive gun-blade pose gives this away) Firion (established by scene following this one - plus can't be Dark Cecil because Cecil is much taller than Squall) Zidane (no one else can be) Cecil (as a paladin) Warrior of Light (horned helmet) Tidus (established by 0:42. Tidus is standing behind WoL at the same standing angle.) ?1 ?2 Onion Kid (no one else can be) ?3 ?1 I'm still not sure who this is. ?2 is Cloud. I'll explain following. What we know thus far is that, except for Kefka who is shown in discourse with Cloud of Darkness, the villain reveals have been done in the respective game's Final Boss Room. Sephiroth's reveal is alone, and seems to suggest a discourse with a hero whom he considers a puppet ("Ningyou dara, omae wa" ); and the area portrayed is the Northern Crater, where the Jenova Synth - Bizarro Seph - Sefer Seph sequence occurs. The ?2 character is wearing a sleeveless outfit, if you look at the darker scenes when the lightning subsides. Cloud is the hero of VII. End of line. ?3: This is definitely female... but it's not Terra. Terra never wore a cape. And if that's not a cape, then it's a dress, and that also excludes Terra. The cape allows Celes, if and only if her battle sprite is appealed to; she is not caped in any Amano art. This girl, though, is EXTREMELY slender - and would better fit the profiles of FFV's females, than those of FFVI. Perhaps this is Lenna? |
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Sandokiri ?3: This is definitely female... but it's not Terra. Terra never wore a cape. And if that's not a cape, then it's a dress, and that also excludes Terra. The cape allows Celes, if and only if her battle sprite is appealed to; she is not caped in any Amano art. She is caped in the Amano art... |
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FFVIIFangirl Sandokiri ?3: This is definitely female... but it's not Terra. Terra never wore a cape. And if that's not a cape, then it's a dress, and that also excludes Terra. The cape allows Celes, if and only if her battle sprite is appealed to; she is not caped in any Amano art. She is caped in the Amano art... This consequentialy, is one of the most popular and influential sketches of Terra, and shows the most influence on how Terra was rendered in the actual game. Its second as far as usage only to image of her riding the Magitek towards Narsh. HOWEVER! http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Image:VI-terra_sd.jpg In game Terra is shown wearing not gloves, but bangles, that cut off fairly shortly on the arms, just as been pointed out. I've definetly noticed that where he can, Nomura will combine different parts of a character's design between different artists. This art style did not emerge till FFIV, but has remained the accurate portrayal of the sprite art since that installment. So I restrengthen my positition that the character in question is Terra. |
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FFVIIFangirl Sandokiri ?3: This is definitely female... but it's not Terra. Terra never wore a cape. And if that's not a cape, then it's a dress, and that also excludes Terra. The cape allows Celes, if and only if her battle sprite is appealed to; she is not caped in any Amano art. She is caped in the Amano art... Only in some of it. The icon for VI http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Image:FFVIpalPSXbox.jpg has her without it; and many of her most iconic images, such as her with the magitek armour, are clearly capeless. But, being wrong, I had to go and poke around even more. http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Image:600px-FF6AdvanceBoxArt.jpg Magic bullet. I can't see any argument for it NOT being Terra, after seeing this. Short gloves, short skirt-like deal with necessary leggings, and long cape flowing off her left side. |
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Sandokiri FFVIIFangirl Sandokiri ?3: This is definitely female... but it's not Terra. Terra never wore a cape. And if that's not a cape, then it's a dress, and that also excludes Terra. The cape allows Celes, if and only if her battle sprite is appealed to; she is not caped in any Amano art. She is caped in the Amano art... Only in some of it. The icon for VI http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Image:FFVIpalPSXbox.jpg has her without it; and many of her most iconic images, such as her with the magitek armour, are clearly capeless. But, being wrong, I had to go and poke around even more. http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Image:600px-FF6AdvanceBoxArt.jpg Magic bullet. I can't see any argument for it NOT being Terra, after seeing this. Short gloves, short skirt-like deal with necessary leggings, and long cape flowing off her left side. Omy. I wonder who did that art. Its not Amano is it? Too....Non-Anorexic. The fine details match him, but the body profile is unusual from what I've seen But yes, that quite matches what we've seen. |
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Now, for speculations on V.
There are really only five choices, and let's see if we can eliminate some of them. -Galuf: He beat Exdeath once - will his death in V matter? -Faris: The real queen of Tycoon, even though she doesn't want it. Total Amano tribute as she was one of his favourites... but this isn't a valid criterion for Dissidia... -Lenna: The ended up being queen of Tycoon - Exdeath must be pissed that her castle enabled the party to defeat him, amirite? I don't see it beyond that. -Krile: Inherited Galuf's destiny for beating Exdeath, and the boss bloody well knows it... -Bartz: But so did our chocobo-riding shujinkou, through his father. Yeah, while on vacation I played through V looking for arguments, and it's looking pretty good for Bartz now. I would hope that if they chose him, they'd use him in his old darker-haired form, lest he end up being another Firion. (Another Amano weakness: kinda thiefy characters with one-handed swords end up using a sword just like Firion's.) -Tonberry: For that matter, you don't really see Amano's hand in, say, Vampire Hunter D, or Gatchaman; but it's certainly there. http://www.amanosworld.com/html/work/g-force.html |
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I know the argument's over, but I just wanted my two cents.
I don't see how it could possibly be Terra after the glove shot. It wasn't the glove, it was the leggings. Celes does not wear short skirts or leggings in ANY of her forms. None of them. Plus, although the color was hazy, they looked like the same violet kind of color that Terra wears. Although, I can't but wonder if by the now extremely unlikely chance that they chose Celes over Terra, which form would they use? She's most well known for her in-game head band/no pants/cape/green one-piece deal, but her Amano art looks nothing like that. Oh well, it's Terra, no question. So it doesn't especially matter. Although the same question still applies to Bartz (if it's Bartz, which it most likely is). Personally, I hope they choose his original art, but make him less ugly. Firion also used to be ugly, for many of the same reasons that I find Bartz ugly, but now Firion is pretty ever since the dawn of souls deal. But anyway, I think they'll choose the art style because although the characters in FFV use sprites that look completely different, as of the recent FFV remake, the artwork in the speech bubbles is their Amano art style. However, the same argument could be made for Celes I suppose. confused On to an actual argument though, Krile was in the game [as a playable character] for like ten minutes, I just don't see how it could be her. Faris just kinda "Arr-matey"d her way through the majority of the game, and didn't seem as important. Bartz, wasn't an especially strong leader from what I recall, and seemed to be more for just comic relief. Lenna was the standard princess, she was in it to win it, but nothing spectacular came from her. And Galuf has the strongest relationship with Exdeath as he's got so much past with him. Logically, it should be Galuf, but aside from Tonberry's "pretty" point, which IS in fact a fairly valid argument, Galuf's fight was yesterday. His struggle with Exdeath happened in the past and he serves as nothing more than a guide and a holding place for Krile up until his death. To all those who think that doesn't matter, then they may as well have used Auron in place of Tidus. Auron also went through it all once before. Auron also was killed in the process. Auron also serves as the guide. But Auron's time to shine was last month, Tidus' time to shine is today, and today is the important part. Reuse and recycle the same argument for Laguna over Squall, minus the death part. So this leaves us with Bartz, Lenna, Faris, and Krile, none of whom had an especially large role to play in the game. They're all the generic light warriors, except they have more personality and background. So where do we make a decision? As I've said, Krile's out. There's no way it will be her. She doesn't join the party until like 80% of the game is finished. And between the other three, Bartz is just the most "leader" like, and perhaps this is only because the game begins with him, and if not for him the party wouldn't have banded together in the first place, but as minor as that may seem, it's still a one-up over the other two characters. I just don't see why they would choose anyone other than him. |
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Kuja9113 I know the argument's over, but I just wanted my two cents. I don't see how it could possibly be Terra after the glove shot. It wasn't the glove, it was the leggings. Celes does not wear short skirts or leggings in ANY of her forms. None of them. Plus, although the color was hazy, they looked like the same violet kind of color that Terra wears. Although, I can't but wonder if by the now extremely unlikely chance that they chose Celes over Terra, which form would they use? She's most well known for her in-game head band/no pants/cape/green one-piece deal, but her Amano art looks nothing like that. Oh well, it's Terra, no question. So it doesn't especially matter. For a mindblow, look at Amano's art for Tifa, and then her AC glove style; or Lenna or Krile. If not for the Advance box art, Amano's ambiguous art style could have kept that one a mystery. Quote: Although the same question still applies to Bartz (if it's Bartz, which it most likely is). Personally, I hope they choose his original art, but make him less ugly. Firion also used to be ugly, for many of the same reasons that I find Bartz ugly, but now Firion is pretty ever since the dawn of souls deal. But anyway, I think they'll choose the art style because although the characters in FFV use sprites that look completely different, as of the recent FFV remake, the artwork in the speech bubbles is their Amano art style. However, the same argument could be made for Celes I suppose. confused On to an actual argument though, Krile was in the game [as a playable character] for like ten minutes, I just don't see how it could be her. Faris just kinda "Arr-matey"d her way through the majority of the game, and didn't seem as important. Bartz, wasn't an especially strong leader from what I recall, and seemed to be more for just comic relief. Lenna was the standard princess, she was in it to win it, but nothing spectacular came from her. And Galuf has the strongest relationship with Exdeath as he's got so much past with him. Logically, it should be Galuf, but aside from Tonberry's "pretty" point, which IS in fact a fairly valid argument, Galuf's fight was yesterday. His struggle with Exdeath happened in the past and he serves as nothing more than a guide and a holding place for Krile up until his death. To all those who think that doesn't matter, then they may as well have used Auron in place of Tidus. Auron also went through it all once before. Auron also was killed in the process. Auron also serves as the guide. But Auron's time to shine was last month, Tidus' time to shine is today, and today is the important part. Reuse and recycle the same argument for Laguna over Squall, minus the death part. So this leaves us with Bartz, Lenna, Faris, and Krile, none of whom had an especially large role to play in the game. They're all the generic light warriors, except they have more personality and background. So where do we make a decision? As I've said, Krile's out. There's no way it will be her. She doesn't join the party until like 80% of the game is finished. And between the other three, Bartz is just the most "leader" like, and perhaps this is only because the game begins with him, and if not for him the party wouldn't have banded together in the first place, but as minor as that may seem, it's still a one-up over the other two characters. I just don't see why they would choose anyone other than him. Pretty is not valid. Dissidia's selection criterion is relationships. For *this* reason the Tycoon sisters will not be chosen. Bringing up Auron and Laguna results in two different failures. Auron was not "killed in the process" of fighting against Sin, but attempting to attack Yunalesca after realising the truth. Even so, Auron spent most of his unsent-hood as a mentor - consciously not wanting to be central to the stories of the still-living. In-world, he knew his role in Yuna's pilgrimage was to be secondary, and he knew that Tidus's hatred of his father and generally impetuous nature would ultimately serve his end - the end of the Sin Cycle. For Auron to be the hero, Yunalesca or Yu Yevon would have had to be the villain... in Dissidia's world at least. Jecht was his friend, even as Sin. As for Laguna... Adel was his villain, not Ultimecia. Now back to Galuf, Krile, and Bartz. In-world, there is no reason to believe that Galuf's role in the "modern" party was minor: in the act of dying, he defeated Exdeath again, in that Exdeath had to flee the battle. We know it won't be Krile, but not for the reason you think; the heroes are already revealed, and none of the "unknown" heroes are short enough to be Krile. Empowered by the Four Crystals, Galuf can SOLO Exdeath - that's what resulted in Galuf's death... in Dissidia's world, depending on when Chaos and Cosmos grab their champions, this could be enough. But not. We know (Squall and TIdus conversation) that FFV's stage is deep within the Cleft of Dimension... which was spawned after all four Crystals were destroyed. The *FIRST* crystal was only destroyed when Galuf died. Thus, it won't be Galuf. Which leaves Bartz. Krile's argument was that she would inherit Galuf's argument; but Bartz ALSO shares that argument, as his father was one of the Warriors of Dawn right alongside Galuf. A father's legacy... a burden of destiny... and one badass tree. It's looking rather good for Bartz, na? |
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Now the argument shifts to "Okay, we have Bartz. But...What will he do?"
On his own, Bartz has no real ability. Nor does anyone else in V. Its the crystal-granted job classes that make any of the characters worthwhile, and FFV has the BIGGEST selection of classes to date. And to make matters more difficult for Square, unlike I and III, there are no real all-round powerhouse classes like Knight/Warriar in FF1, or Sage/Ninja in FFIII. Each class has its strengths and weaknesses, and none of them are a Trump All, with perhaps the arguable Mime class. I remember someone suggesting Summoner for a magical class, and that might have some merit. Any ideas? Btw, if Bartz ends up with an Osakan or another "Comicaly Rural" dialect, I will die happy. Bartz was a country boy, as far as I'm concerned. He MUST have a country boy accent. |
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TheTonberryKing Now the argument shifts to "Okay, we have Bartz. But...What will he do?" On his own, Bartz has no real ability. Nor does anyone else in V. Its the crystal-granted job classes that make any of the characters worthwhile, and FFV has the BIGGEST selection of classes to date. And to make matters more difficult for Square, unlike I and III, there are no real all-round powerhouse classes like Knight/Warriar in FF1, or Sage/Ninja in FFIII. Each class has its strengths and weaknesses, and none of them are a Trump All, with perhaps the arguable Mime class. I remember someone suggesting Summoner for a magical class, and that might have some merit. Any ideas? Btw, if Bartz ends up with an Osakan or another "Comicaly Rural" dialect, I will die happy. Bartz was a country boy, as far as I'm concerned. He MUST have a country boy accent. Considering that of the five playables, he alone was not of the nobility, it'd be appropriate. As for classes, I think he'll end up with four. Onion Knight only had three - his basic class, and the two ultimate prestige classes of Ninja and Sage. Since FF5 doesn't have the ultimate prestige classes, I'm getting an idea that one will be drawn from each crystal, except perhaps for wind. "Wind crystal" : Suppin (bare / normal / freelancer.) All of the Amano art on Bartz points to this reality; he's clearly a swordsman. If they don't use suppin, then knight: thief would pull his likely appearance even closer to Firion, which wouldn't be the best idea in my opnion. Water crystal: Mystic Knight. The class isn't technically UNIQUE anymore (Cid-IV's Upgrade, and Steiner's fusion attacks with Vivi, do what the MYK does) but it is quite distinctive to FFV. It imbues its weapon with elemental or status effects and goes to town. Plus, you get more Minwu tribute since Bartz becomes Minwu in this outfit. Summoner is also in this tier. Fire crystal: I don't know how feasible Tactics-style geomancy would be here, so this would be the Ranger class. Bartz becomes Robin Hood and does stupid-cool tricks with archery. Beastmaster and bard won't happen for mechanical reasons, and ninja is already done. (If they could somehow make geomancy work, I'd rather see that, of course.) Earth Crystal: As much as seeing Bartz turn into a flamenco dancer would be HILARIOUS, I totally want to see Dragoon here. Bartz becomes Kain. And who wouldn't want that? |
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Sandokiri Kuja9113 I know the argument's over, but I just wanted my two cents. I don't see how it could possibly be Terra after the glove shot. It wasn't the glove, it was the leggings. Celes does not wear short skirts or leggings in ANY of her forms. None of them. Plus, although the color was hazy, they looked like the same violet kind of color that Terra wears. Although, I can't but wonder if by the now extremely unlikely chance that they chose Celes over Terra, which form would they use? She's most well known for her in-game head band/no pants/cape/green one-piece deal, but her Amano art looks nothing like that. Oh well, it's Terra, no question. So it doesn't especially matter. For a mindblow, look at Amano's art for Tifa, and then her AC glove style; or Lenna or Krile. If not for the Advance box art, Amano's ambiguous art style could have kept that one a mystery. Sandokiri Quote: Although the same question still applies to Bartz (if it's Bartz, which it most likely is). Personally, I hope they choose his original art, but make him less ugly. Firion also used to be ugly, for many of the same reasons that I find Bartz ugly, but now Firion is pretty ever since the dawn of souls deal. But anyway, I think they'll choose the art style because although the characters in FFV use sprites that look completely different, as of the recent FFV remake, the artwork in the speech bubbles is their Amano art style. However, the same argument could be made for Celes I suppose. confused On to an actual argument though, Krile was in the game [as a playable character] for like ten minutes, I just don't see how it could be her. Faris just kinda "Arr-matey"d her way through the majority of the game, and didn't seem as important. Bartz, wasn't an especially strong leader from what I recall, and seemed to be more for just comic relief. Lenna was the standard princess, she was in it to win it, but nothing spectacular came from her. And Galuf has the strongest relationship with Exdeath as he's got so much past with him. Logically, it should be Galuf, but aside from Tonberry's "pretty" point, which IS in fact a fairly valid argument, Galuf's fight was yesterday. His struggle with Exdeath happened in the past and he serves as nothing more than a guide and a holding place for Krile up until his death. To all those who think that doesn't matter, then they may as well have used Auron in place of Tidus. Auron also went through it all once before. Auron also was killed in the process. Auron also serves as the guide. But Auron's time to shine was last month, Tidus' time to shine is today, and today is the important part. Reuse and recycle the same argument for Laguna over Squall, minus the death part. So this leaves us with Bartz, Lenna, Faris, and Krile, none of whom had an especially large role to play in the game. They're all the generic light warriors, except they have more personality and background. So where do we make a decision? As I've said, Krile's out. There's no way it will be her. She doesn't join the party until like 80% of the game is finished. And between the other three, Bartz is just the most "leader" like, and perhaps this is only because the game begins with him, and if not for him the party wouldn't have banded together in the first place, but as minor as that may seem, it's still a one-up over the other two characters. I just don't see why they would choose anyone other than him. Pretty is not valid. Dissidia's selection criterion is relationships. For *this* reason the Tycoon sisters will not be chosen. Sandokiri Bringing up Auron and Laguna results in two different failures. Auron was not "killed in the process" of fighting against Sin, but attempting to attack Yunalesca after realising the truth. Even so, Auron spent most of his unsent-hood as a mentor - consciously not wanting to be central to the stories of the still-living. In-world, he knew his role in Yuna's pilgrimage was to be secondary, and he knew that Tidus's hatred of his father and generally impetuous nature would ultimately serve his end - the end of the Sin Cycle. For Auron to be the hero, Yunalesca or Yu Yevon would have had to be the villain... in Dissidia's world at least. Jecht was his friend, even as Sin. As for Laguna... Adel was his villain, not Ultimecia. But my point wasn't that Auron or Laguna could have been the main heroes anyway, my point was that Galuf, in my opinion, shouldn't get the slot because his fight was in the past. Sandokiri Now back to Galuf, Krile, and Bartz. In-world, there is no reason to believe that Galuf's role in the "modern" party was minor: in the act of dying, he defeated Exdeath again, in that Exdeath had to flee the battle. We know it won't be Krile, but not for the reason you think; the heroes are already revealed, and none of the "unknown" heroes are short enough to be Krile. Empowered by the Four Crystals, Galuf can SOLO Exdeath - that's what resulted in Galuf's death... in Dissidia's world, depending on when Chaos and Cosmos grab their champions, this could be enough. But not. We know (Squall and TIdus conversation) that FFV's stage is deep within the Cleft of Dimension... which was spawned after all four Crystals were destroyed. The *FIRST* crystal was only destroyed when Galuf died. Thus, it won't be Galuf. Sandokiri Which leaves Bartz. Krile's argument was that she would inherit Galuf's argument; but Bartz ALSO shares that argument, as his father was one of the Warriors of Dawn right alongside Galuf. A father's legacy... a burden of destiny... and one badass tree. It's looking rather good for Bartz, na? @Tonberry: I imagine he will be a freelancer with magic abilities since you can mix job classes in FFV, and his ExMode will be the Mime class. The Mime Class seems to be the most unique, therefore possibly most iconic(?) class that FFV has to offer. 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Kuja9113 I wouldn't call my arguments failures. Galuf's fight may have been with the same villain, but that doesn't change the argument that his fight was in the past. That was my whole point on Auron and Laguna. They both play a big role in the main story and the overall battle, but their times to shine was in the past, Galuf just happened to re-fight the villain he'd already defeated. And besides, ultimately Auron was against Yu Yevon, which is ultimately what the main party is against in FFX as well. Tidus may have his own personal vendetta against Jecht, but it doesn't change the fact that all seven party members ultimately fall against Yu Yevon. Laguna may have been against Adel, but again the ultimate goal remains the same: defeat the sorceress. Whether the sorceress is Edea, Adel, Ultimecia, or Dmitri the crying the clown, they still ran along similar paths. And again, Dissidia's character selections are based on specific criteria. With Auron, we clearly knew that he knew his role was secondary - his catch phrase of "This is your story" makes that plenty clear. And had the villain been chosen first, and been Yevon, then Auron (or Yuna) would certainly have made better sense for the hero. What defeats the Auron argument, though, is that Tidus was chosen first, and Jecht followed from that choice. Likewise for FF8's choice, only moreso because Laguna is a background character, and unlike Galuf and Auron isn't even playable among the main party. In fact, any time Laguna is playable is actually Squall's dreams, injected by Ellone to help Squall understand "today's" situation. Galuf's situation is different. Before his death, there was no indication that he would *not* be one of the four Warriors of Light - one of today's heroes, as he was one of yesterday's. As for the soloing claim, I refer to the Forest of Moore. The game mechanics of the playable battle are such that Galuf can't lose; thus, it is the power of plot that demands that Galuf defeat XD by himself. This has everything to do with his personal ability. But it also relied on outside intervention - hope alone did not make him essentially invincible - it required the Guardian Tree. And Galuf did not walk away from the fight - XD did - and it's this that disqualifies Galuf more than anything else, in my opinion. |
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Sandokiri Kuja9113 I wouldn't call my arguments failures. Galuf's fight may have been with the same villain, but that doesn't change the argument that his fight was in the past. That was my whole point on Auron and Laguna. They both play a big role in the main story and the overall battle, but their times to shine was in the past, Galuf just happened to re-fight the villain he'd already defeated. And besides, ultimately Auron was against Yu Yevon, which is ultimately what the main party is against in FFX as well. Tidus may have his own personal vendetta against Jecht, but it doesn't change the fact that all seven party members ultimately fall against Yu Yevon. Laguna may have been against Adel, but again the ultimate goal remains the same: defeat the sorceress. Whether the sorceress is Edea, Adel, Ultimecia, or Dmitri the crying the clown, they still ran along similar paths. And again, Dissidia's character selections are based on specific criteria. With Auron, we clearly knew that he knew his role was secondary - his catch phrase of "This is your story" makes that plenty clear. And had the villain been chosen first, and been Yevon, then Auron (or Yuna) would certainly have made better sense for the hero. What defeats the Auron argument, though, is that Tidus was chosen first, and Jecht followed from that choice. Likewise for FF8's choice, only moreso because Laguna is a background character, and unlike Galuf and Auron isn't even playable among the main party. In fact, any time Laguna is playable is actually Squall's dreams, injected by Ellone to help Squall understand "today's" situation. Galuf's situation is different. Before his death, there was no indication that he would *not* be one of the four Warriors of Light - one of today's heroes, as he was one of yesterday's. As for the soloing claim, I refer to the Forest of Moore. The game mechanics of the playable battle are such that Galuf can't lose; thus, it is the power of plot that demands that Galuf defeat XD by himself. This has everything to do with his personal ability. But it also relied on outside intervention - hope alone did not make him essentially invincible - it required the Guardian Tree. And Galuf did not walk away from the fight - XD did - and it's this that disqualifies Galuf more than anything else, in my opinion. |
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