[ Poll ] Your genitals do not matter?

do genitals matter to you in a romantic relationship?

I am straight and I will not date anyone within my gender		51.1%	[ 113 ]
I am gay and I will only date people of my gender		6.8%	[ 15 ]
I am bisexual and I do not care		32.6%	[ 72 ]
I do not understand the definition of straight and homosexual		9.5%	[ 21 ]

Total Votes: 221

[achanceforgrace]

tererun3

achanceforgrace

why are intersexed people always left out of the "what kind of genitals do you care for" conversation?

anywho... given the history of the terms hetero and homosexual (they did not mean sexually attracted to opposite/same sex people until the 1940's) and the fact that various new vocabulary to describe sexuality are constantly being introduced and the fact that sexuality is best understood as a continuum rather than rigid categories, what does it matter what people label themselves as? So what if a woman who is with a woman refers to herself as straight? How does this matter to anyone at all?

I would think it would matter to homo and hetero people. You see, it helps when a person is polite and asks you your sexual orientation before asking you for a date. Like john asks cindy if she is straight and she says she is a lesbian. John should walk away dissapointed knowing that cindy is just not interested in the p***s. Now, if cindy says she is a lesbian because she is trying to be a fashionable gay, but she likes penises she will probably accidentally reject many guys, and might find herself hit on by some lesbians and freaked out.

Now, when we reverse this and john claims he is homosexual, he might find that some guys hit on him, and this may be disturbing to him and he mayt feel insulted though he brought it upon himself by trying to be fashionably gay.

Now to go further some establishments cater to a gay or straight community. I you were to wander into a straight establishment and start hitting on people of your gender you may find yourself toossed out rather violently. If you wander into a homosexual establishment and expect that people of your gender will not hit on you because you are straight you are going to be unpleasantly surprised.

So, yes these terms do matter to a lot of people, and this fashionably gay bullshit is annoying all around. You do not get to claim you are gay because you think it makes you cool.

sounds like a personal problem, not something that needs to be hashed out in the ED as to whether anyone SHOULD label themselves in a way that the popular culture accepts.

[L the strawberry lover]

Math145 Kane

Well if it doesn't matter what type of genitals the person you're being romantic with has, then you're bisexual.

Actually, it would make you pansexual. Bisexuality is the sexual attraction to both sexes. Pansexuality means that gender has no bearing on a romantic partner at all.

[tererun3]

Gho the Girl

tererun3

Gho the Girl

tererun3

According to a certain gaia member in another thread

Not to be too much of an attention whore, but I think she's referring to me.

This is true, but namedropping is bannable so I was hoping you would come.

Hey, I was making a timely joke. If that's bannable, the mods need to get a sense of humour.

No quicker way to get your thread chatterboxed than to turn it into a namedrop thread instead of something that involves other people's ideas.

Gho the Girl

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You just made the claim that you know a homosexual guy who has a female partner and likes it. Now to many people that would be a bisexual person, but to you the fact that he likes women does not matter and he can make up whatever definition he wants and pretend to be homosexual.

No, he's legitimately homosexual.

No, he is being fashionably gay. There are a lot of people today who want the title of gay but do not want to do the work. He is pretending to be gay for whatever reason. I would guess it is because being bisexual carries the stigma of being confused. The reality is that many people fall under the bisexual label, but have a preference of a specific gender. About the only time I could see someone disregarding certain sexual acts in labelling themselves is if they experimented to see if they could deal with a gender they did not think they were attracted to.

Gho the Girl

He just happens to be married to a woman. He was married to a woman before he realised he was gay. However, he loves his wife so much, and she loves him so much, that they decided to find ways to make that work.

You don't have the authority to tell him he's not gay.

No, he does not have the authority to make up his own definition when he clearly does not exist within it. If he is voluntarily there and not closeted then he is bisexual. If he is in love with a woman then he is at least bisexual. It is the nature of it, and he can claim whatever he wants he is WRONG! He turned in his f** card when he loved a woman. He doesn't get to be fashionably gay. Even if you claim he does.

Gho the Girl

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Gho the Girl

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I am wrong in the idea that the genitals of the people out there do not matter when you are deciding to get funky with them.

Actually, I agree, they do matter, from time to time, and from person to person. Some don't put much importance in them, and some put a lot in there. This isn't bad or good, it's just the way things are.

If it doesn't matter then those people would be bisexual or perhaps asexual.

Or maybe they're experimenting.

Experimenting is a possibility, and I could understand that. However, this guy you are talking about clearly is not experimenting. He likes a woman. All it takes is one.

Gho the Girl

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This is the main factor in being straight or homosexual. It is that the genitals matter.

And the main factor in being a sexual being is that a battery of things matter sexually. Some want someone of a certain age, or size, or skin color, or they want their partner to spank them while they call their partner mommy. Different strokes for different folks, but saying that one factor matters doesn't negate the importance of the other factors. If only genitals mattered, we wouldn't have fetishes, or sexual tastes, roleplay, leather, BDSM, kink, etc.

All of the things you have mentioned are fetishes. Homosexuality is not a fetish.

Gho the Girl

And what an atrociously boring world that'd be.

The very fact you think homosexuality or heterosexuality is merely a preference shows your complete ignorance to the situation. For a bisexual gender might be considered a fetish. For a homosexual or heterosexual it is a necessity. Let me try to explain this to you. As a transexual it could be said that I would prefer to lie as the the gender opposite the one I was born. It is true that many transexual people have accomplished this in their lives. Still, it is uncomfortable, painful for some, and has caused severe psychological ramifications for many of us to have to do that. Now, it is possible for a gay or straight person to be with the wrong gender, but they would find it very uncomfortable, sickening, and it would cause them psychological trauma to continue to do so. It is not just a fetish, it is a necessity. In other words the fact that according to you your friend chose to have a hetero relationship despite being out means he is bisexual because a gay man would not chose a path unless forced into it. Unless this b***h is forcing him to do it he is bisexual.

Gho the Girl

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You are either unattracted to people of your gender or you are actually turned off by those people.

Or you're bi.

Even leaving that aside, I'm not attracted to men who are above the age of 50, although this will change with time. I'm not attracted to black people, some latinos are very attractive to me, I like the contrast of my Irish descended Ivory against their coffee color. I have a thing for red heads, although it isn't required. I also have a kink for glasses, and a fetish for n****e play.

Yes, I'm queer. But that's not all I am, not even just sexually.

For a bisexual person it is a preference, for a hetero or homosexual person it is a necessity.

Of course, I would refer you to the scoreboard at the top of this. it seems you are losing.

[tererun3]

achanceforgrace

tererun3

achanceforgrace

why are intersexed people always left out of the "what kind of genitals do you care for" conversation?

anywho... given the history of the terms hetero and homosexual (they did not mean sexually attracted to opposite/same sex people until the 1940's) and the fact that various new vocabulary to describe sexuality are constantly being introduced and the fact that sexuality is best understood as a continuum rather than rigid categories, what does it matter what people label themselves as? So what if a woman who is with a woman refers to herself as straight? How does this matter to anyone at all?

I would think it would matter to homo and hetero people. You see, it helps when a person is polite and asks you your sexual orientation before asking you for a date. Like john asks cindy if she is straight and she says she is a lesbian. John should walk away dissapointed knowing that cindy is just not interested in the p***s. Now, if cindy says she is a lesbian because she is trying to be a fashionable gay, but she likes penises she will probably accidentally reject many guys, and might find herself hit on by some lesbians and freaked out.

Now, when we reverse this and john claims he is homosexual, he might find that some guys hit on him, and this may be disturbing to him and he mayt feel insulted though he brought it upon himself by trying to be fashionably gay.

Now to go further some establishments cater to a gay or straight community. I you were to wander into a straight establishment and start hitting on people of your gender you may find yourself toossed out rather violently. If you wander into a homosexual establishment and expect that people of your gender will not hit on you because you are straight you are going to be unpleasantly surprised.

So, yes these terms do matter to a lot of people, and this fashionably gay bullshit is annoying all around. You do not get to claim you are gay because you think it makes you cool.

sounds like a personal problem, not something that needs to be hashed out in the ED as to whether anyone SHOULD label themselves in a way that the popular culture accepts.

It is called discussion. If you do not care for the topic then move it along to the next one.

[The Great Heat Miser]

I think we need to take into account just how drunk I am at the time.

[Geisterfahrer]

The Great Heat Miser

I think we need to take into account just how drunk I am at the time.

Don't drink and debate.
It's dangerous.

[The Great Heat Miser]

The Willow Of Darkness

The Great Heat Miser

I think we need to take into account just how drunk I am at the time.

Ah good to see you've made friends with Vety Nai. What did you do to get her to accept you? Convert?

I rocked her ******** world.

[The Great Heat Miser]

The Willow Of Darkness

The Great Heat Miser

The Willow Of Darkness

The Great Heat Miser

I think we need to take into account just how drunk I am at the time.

Ah good to see you've made friends with Vety Nai. What did you do to get her to accept you? Convert?

I rocked her ******** world.

Woah... So you converted and then dressed as Jesus.

On Halloween, too. Went from house to house, handing out candy.

[The Great Heat Miser]

The Willow Of Darkness

The Great Heat Miser

The Willow Of Darkness

The Great Heat Miser

The Willow Of Darkness

The Great Heat Miser

I think we need to take into account just how drunk I am at the time.

Ah good to see you've made friends with Vety Nai. What did you do to get her to accept you? Convert?

I rocked her ******** world.

Woah... So you converted and then dressed as Jesus.

On Halloween, too. Went from house to house, handing out candy.

And Bibles no doubt.

And crucifixes.

[achanceforgrace]

tererun3

achanceforgrace

tererun3

achanceforgrace

why are intersexed people always left out of the "what kind of genitals do you care for" conversation?

anywho... given the history of the terms hetero and homosexual (they did not mean sexually attracted to opposite/same sex people until the 1940's) and the fact that various new vocabulary to describe sexuality are constantly being introduced and the fact that sexuality is best understood as a continuum rather than rigid categories, what does it matter what people label themselves as? So what if a woman who is with a woman refers to herself as straight? How does this matter to anyone at all?

I would think it would matter to homo and hetero people. You see, it helps when a person is polite and asks you your sexual orientation before asking you for a date. Like john asks cindy if she is straight and she says she is a lesbian. John should walk away dissapointed knowing that cindy is just not interested in the p***s. Now, if cindy says she is a lesbian because she is trying to be a fashionable gay, but she likes penises she will probably accidentally reject many guys, and might find herself hit on by some lesbians and freaked out.

Now, when we reverse this and john claims he is homosexual, he might find that some guys hit on him, and this may be disturbing to him and he mayt feel insulted though he brought it upon himself by trying to be fashionably gay.

Now to go further some establishments cater to a gay or straight community. I you were to wander into a straight establishment and start hitting on people of your gender you may find yourself toossed out rather violently. If you wander into a homosexual establishment and expect that people of your gender will not hit on you because you are straight you are going to be unpleasantly surprised.

So, yes these terms do matter to a lot of people, and this fashionably gay bullshit is annoying all around. You do not get to claim you are gay because you think it makes you cool.

sounds like a personal problem, not something that needs to be hashed out in the ED as to whether anyone SHOULD label themselves in a way that the popular culture accepts.

It is called discussion. If you do not care for the topic then move it along to the next one.

no, i do care that other people think it is permissible to dictate how others label themselves when it is clearly a personal issue that no one else has any right to try and control.

[Gho the Girl]

tererun3

Gho the Girl

tererun3

Gho the Girl

tererun3

According to a certain gaia member in another thread

Not to be too much of an attention whore, but I think she's referring to me.

This is true, but namedropping is bannable so I was hoping you would come.

Hey, I was making a timely joke. If that's bannable, the mods need to get a sense of humour.

No quicker way to get your thread chatterboxed than to turn it into a namedrop thread instead of something that involves other people's ideas.

So you want this chatterboxed?

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Gho the Girl

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You just made the claim that you know a homosexual guy who has a female partner and likes it. Now to many people that would be a bisexual person, but to you the fact that he likes women does not matter and he can make up whatever definition he wants and pretend to be homosexual.

No, he's legitimately homosexual.

No, he is being fashionably gay. There are a lot of people today who want the title of gay but do not want to do the work. He is pretending to be gay for whatever reason. I would guess it is because being bisexual carries the stigma of being confused. The reality is that many people fall under the bisexual label, but have a preference of a specific gender. About the only time I could see someone disregarding certain sexual acts in labelling themselves is if they experimented to see if they could deal with a gender they did not think they were attracted to.

Gho the Girl

He just happens to be married to a woman. He was married to a woman before he realised he was gay. However, he loves his wife so much, and she loves him so much, that they decided to find ways to make that work.

You don't have the authority to tell him he's not gay.

No, he does not have the authority to make up his own definition when he clearly does not exist within it.

Being gay requires one to be attracted to other men, it does not require him to be in a gay relationship.

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If he is voluntarily there and not closeted then he is bisexual.

I thought sexuality was decided on, you know, sexuality, as opposed to his lifestyle.

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If he is in love with a woman then he is at least bisexual.

I love plenty of women. This doesn't make me straight.

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It is the nature of it,

Not according to psychologists.

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and he can claim whatever he wants he is WRONG!

You can claim whatever you want you are WRONG!

woo, turnabout is fun!

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He turned in his f** card when he loved a woman.

Does this make you the f** police? rofl

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He doesn't get to be fashionably gay. Even if you claim he does.

You don't get to make that call, even if you claim you do.

More turnabout! how fun!

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Gho the Girl

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Gho the Girl

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I am wrong in the idea that the genitals of the people out there do not matter when you are deciding to get funky with them.

Actually, I agree, they do matter, from time to time, and from person to person. Some don't put much importance in them, and some put a lot in there. This isn't bad or good, it's just the way things are.

If it doesn't matter then those people would be bisexual or perhaps asexual.

Or maybe they're experimenting.

Experimenting is a possibility, and I could understand that. However, this guy you are talking about clearly is not experimenting. He likes a woman. All it takes is one.

All it takes is one?

According to what or who? You? As we've already established, whatever you claim, you're WRONG so, yeah.

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Gho the Girl

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This is the main factor in being straight or homosexual. It is that the genitals matter.

And the main factor in being a sexual being is that a battery of things matter sexually. Some want someone of a certain age, or size, or skin color, or they want their partner to spank them while they call their partner mommy. Different strokes for different folks, but saying that one factor matters doesn't negate the importance of the other factors. If only genitals mattered, we wouldn't have fetishes, or sexual tastes, roleplay, leather, BDSM, kink, etc.

All of the things you have mentioned are fetishes. Homosexuality is not a fetish.

Wow. No. Preferring skinny women to fat women doesn't mean you have a skinny fetish.

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Gho the Girl

And what an atrociously boring world that'd be.

The very fact you think homosexuality or heterosexuality is merely a preference shows your complete ignorance to the situation.*snip batshit rant*

No, it doesn't.

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Gho the Girl

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You are either unattracted to people of your gender or you are actually turned off by those people.

Or you're bi.

Even leaving that aside, I'm not attracted to men who are above the age of 50, although this will change with time. I'm not attracted to black people, some latinos are very attractive to me, I like the contrast of my Irish descended Ivory against their coffee color. I have a thing for red heads, although it isn't required. I also have a kink for glasses, and a fetish for n****e play.

Yes, I'm queer. But that's not all I am, not even just sexually.

For a bisexual person it is a preference, for a hetero or homosexual person it is a necessity.

No, it isn't.

See how easy this is? You say your piece, totally your opinion, unsupported or hindered by facts, and I say mine, with equal weight.

I could go all day like this. biggrin

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Of course, I would refer you to the scoreboard at the top of this. it seems you are losing.

Actually, I'm winning, since I'm enjoying every moment of this. I do hope you're having this much fun.

[Gho the Girl]

achanceforgrace

tererun3

achanceforgrace

tererun3

achanceforgrace

why are intersexed people always left out of the "what kind of genitals do you care for" conversation?

anywho... given the history of the terms hetero and homosexual (they did not mean sexually attracted to opposite/same sex people until the 1940's) and the fact that various new vocabulary to describe sexuality are constantly being introduced and the fact that sexuality is best understood as a continuum rather than rigid categories, what does it matter what people label themselves as? So what if a woman who is with a woman refers to herself as straight? How does this matter to anyone at all?

I would think it would matter to homo and hetero people. You see, it helps when a person is polite and asks you your sexual orientation before asking you for a date. Like john asks cindy if she is straight and she says she is a lesbian. John should walk away dissapointed knowing that cindy is just not interested in the p***s. Now, if cindy says she is a lesbian because she is trying to be a fashionable gay, but she likes penises she will probably accidentally reject many guys, and might find herself hit on by some lesbians and freaked out.

Now, when we reverse this and john claims he is homosexual, he might find that some guys hit on him, and this may be disturbing to him and he mayt feel insulted though he brought it upon himself by trying to be fashionably gay.

Now to go further some establishments cater to a gay or straight community. I you were to wander into a straight establishment and start hitting on people of your gender you may find yourself toossed out rather violently. If you wander into a homosexual establishment and expect that people of your gender will not hit on you because you are straight you are going to be unpleasantly surprised.

So, yes these terms do matter to a lot of people, and this fashionably gay bullshit is annoying all around. You do not get to claim you are gay because you think it makes you cool.

sounds like a personal problem, not something that needs to be hashed out in the ED as to whether anyone SHOULD label themselves in a way that the popular culture accepts.

It is called discussion. If you do not care for the topic then move it along to the next one.

no, i do care that other people think it is permissible to dictate how others label themselves when it is clearly a personal issue that no one else has any right to try and control.

I find it funny that the moment you start discussing one's right to self-determine she tells you to leave.

Oh, ironies. rolleyes