[ Poll ] Your genitals do not matter?

do genitals matter to you in a romantic relationship?

I am straight and I will not date anyone within my gender		51.1%	[ 113 ]
I am gay and I will only date people of my gender		6.8%	[ 15 ]
I am bisexual and I do not care		32.6%	[ 72 ]
I do not understand the definition of straight and homosexual		9.5%	[ 21 ]

Total Votes: 221

[-PhantomRain_ InariReyne-]

it would be no fun without a p***s to play with. what would i grab onto? a HIP?


psh. no p***s=/=sex

[Rosetta Celestine]

x Sarnath x

Um, no offense, but if you have a v****a, you're a girl. By law and by most people's logic.
Maybe to yourself you're a "man" or whatever, but in most people's eyes you're still a girl.

I never understood why this kind of thing matters so much to people. So you don't want to be a girl. I don't really see what's so ******** awful about being a girl, but okay. Why would you be so uncomfortable in your own body? Why do you think being the other gender is a solution?

Maybe you have big problems in your life. Maybe you have issues with yourself. But I don't see how being the other gender or pretending to be the other gender is going to fix these issues. Just be YOU. Forget about fitting into gender stereotypes, or being hung up on what society thinks you are.

I probably sound like a bigot, but I really don't understand why people get so hung up over this.

It's not a choice. It's a condition of life. Like it or not, gender-wise, transwomen are women and transmen are men. Physically they're a mixture, but mentally their are just as much that gender as you are as a non-transperson.

[Geisterfahrer]

x Sarnath x

Um, no offense, but if you have a v****a, you're a girl. By law and by most people's logic.
Maybe to yourself you're a "man" or whatever, but in most people's eyes you're still a girl.

I never understood why this kind of thing matters so much to people. So you don't want to be a girl. I don't really see what's so ******** awful about being a girl, but okay. Why would you be so uncomfortable in your own body? Why do you think being the other gender is a solution?

Maybe you have big problems in your life. Maybe you have issues with yourself. But I don't see how being the other gender or pretending to be the other gender is going to fix these issues. Just be YOU. Forget about fitting into gender stereotypes, or being hung up on what society thinks you are.

I probably sound like a bigot, but I really don't understand why people get so hung up over this.

Take your ignorance elsewhere.
Transgender people are not pretending to be the opposite gender. They are uncomfortable with their bodies because they have Gender Identity Disorder, and living as the other gender is the solution. It isn't about gender stereotypes or being hung up on what society thinks of you. Transgender people are not rejecting their gender role. They are rejecting their gender identity. The only issue transgender people have with themselves is that they were born with the wrong damned set of sexual traits and chromosomes.

[Rosetta Celestine]

Olya

Syndactyly

Olya

Kaosgirl

Olya

We all meandered through our schooling haphazard; so, to God be thanks,

Um, no. Gender and sex both matter to me. I am attracted to masculine features, I have no wish to have sex with someone who has a v****a, and I want a person with whom I can have biological children. Clearly, I will never have romantic feelings for a woman or a trans-sexual/trans-gendered man.

Actually, that's not so clear. If either passed convincingly enough as an attractive man, you might actually find yourself developing "romantic feelings" for them based on their possession of masculine features. At least, until you discovered there was no p***s or possibility of children.

What I do find clear, is that this would likely create a dilemma for you if it were to happen.

We all meandered through our schooling haphazard; so, to God be thanks,

Um... No. If you get me drunk enough, I suppose you could pass spam off as stake and I wouldn't know the difference. That in no way implies that I like spam or that I will ever want spam. Just because someone could make the impression of being both a man and a male, does not mean I am going to be attracted to that person. I will be attracted to the IDEA of that person and in that idea I will visualize both a man and a male. I will be attracted to what I want, not to what that person is.

And no, there would be no dilemma for me had this ever happened. I see no way I could harbour any warm feelings for a person who could not be upfront with me about something so crucial.

...it's easy, without too much fooling, to pass for cultured in our ranks.

The point is you won't KNOW what they "are" until they tell you or take their pants off.

Transmen pass as natural-born men extraordinarily well.

No, most transsexuals are not not going to go, "Hi, I'm David, and I have a c**t."

We all meandered through our schooling haphazard; so, to God be thanks,

The fact that I fall for someone only because I mistake that person for a man means that I can only love a man. Loving an illusion =/= loving a person. Just because you love a character does not mean you love the actor who played him.

Good for them?

If a friend of mine could tell me that he has schizophrenia the day we met, a trans-sexual person can tell me that he or she is a trans-sexual. There are people who will date a trans-sexual individual while knowing that the person is a trans-sexual. There is no reason to impose on people who will not want you if they find out what you are. That is deceit and insecurity and I would not deal with either.

...it's easy, without too much fooling, to pass for cultured in our ranks.

I think "illusion" is kind of a rude word to use. What if the guy never claimed to not be trans?

Also, if he looks, walks, and acts like a man, why is he not a man?

[x Sarnath x]

Geisterfahrer

x Sarnath x

Um, no offense, but if you have a v****a, you're a girl. By law and by most people's logic.
Maybe to yourself you're a "man" or whatever, but in most people's eyes you're still a girl.

I never understood why this kind of thing matters so much to people. So you don't want to be a girl. I don't really see what's so ******** awful about being a girl, but okay. Why would you be so uncomfortable in your own body? Why do you think being the other gender is a solution?

Maybe you have big problems in your life. Maybe you have issues with yourself. But I don't see how being the other gender or pretending to be the other gender is going to fix these issues. Just be YOU. Forget about fitting into gender stereotypes, or being hung up on what society thinks you are.

I probably sound like a bigot, but I really don't understand why people get so hung up over this.

Take your ignorance elsewhere.
Transgender people are not pretending to be the opposite gender. They are uncomfortable with their bodies because they have Gender Identity Disorder, and living as the other gender is the solution. It isn't about gender stereotypes or being hung up on what society thinks of you. Transgender people are not rejecting their gender role. They are rejecting their gender identity. The only issue transgender people have with themselves is that they were born with the wrong damned set of sexual traits and chromosomes.

Yeah, but this is a "society inflicted" disorder. If all these surgeries and hormone treatments weren't available, people would just suck it up and live with their gender like everybody else.
But all these options are available, so it gets the people who are prone to that kind of thinking all riled up.
Do you think people worried about this stuff 100 years ago before these "treatments" came out? Nope. They just went on with life. Sure, some things about each gender suck. Each has its ups and downs. But changing your gender and permanently ******** up your body is no cure for mental illness and being unhappy with your life. =/

[Albany King]

Olya

The fact that I fall for someone only because I mistake that person for a man means that I can only love a man. Loving an illusion =/= loving a person. Just because you love a character does not mean you love the actor who played him.

Good for them?

If a friend of mine could tell me that he has schizophrenia the day we met, a trans-sexual person can tell me that he or she is a trans-sexual. There are people who will date a trans-sexual individual while knowing that the person is a trans-sexual. There is no reason to impose on people who will not want you if they find out what you are. That is deceit and insecurity and I would not deal with either.

...it's easy, without too much fooling, to pass for cultured in our ranks.

It means you can have romantic feelings for someone, but those feelings could change abruptly once you find something out about them. It does not mean you can never develop romantic feelings for a transsexual.

[Captain Verd]

I suppose that, according to Olya, a person who does not tell you about how much they like broccoli the very first time they meet you is actually lying to you about their affinity for broccoli. Fiend! They should not be tolerated.

[x Sarnath x]

Captain Verd

I suppose that, according to Olya, a person who does not tell you about how much they like broccoli the very first time they meet you is actually lying to you about their affinity for broccoli. Fiend! They should not be tolerated.

It's a lot different. You aren't going to be pursuing a romantic relationship based on broccoli.
Not all people are okay with that sort of thing. Some people are straight and would be disgusted with the idea of dating someone that was a "transsexual."

[Geisterfahrer]

I went to a drag show last night and there were many transgender people there who were not performers but just there to watch. In any other context, I absolutely would not have realized that they were not cisgender. In fact, in most cases I wasn't sure who was cisgender and who was transgender.

People need to realize that transgender people do not look like Frank-N-Furter from the Rocky Horror Picture show.

[Okami No Kage_Arya_]

uhh yeah thats just wrong on so many different levels to.....with same gender

[Captain Verd]

x Sarnath x

Captain Verd

I suppose that, according to Olya, a person who does not tell you about how much they like broccoli the very first time they meet you is actually lying to you about their affinity for broccoli. Fiend! They should not be tolerated.

It's a lot different. You aren't going to be pursuing a romantic relationship based on broccoli.
Not all people are okay with that sort of thing. Some people are straight and would be disgusted with the idea of dating someone that was a "transsexual."

Let's set up an example here.

Dave is a transsexual. He lives his life as a man, and doesn't tell people he's biologically female, because it's not really anyone's ******** business, and the information has been met with hostility before. He meets Cindy at a party. Though they have only talked a few times, Cindy, through no falt of Dave's, starts to crush on him. After a few times of hanging out and being relatively friendly, Cindy decides to ask Dave out on a date, at which point he reveals to her that he does not have a p***s. Was Dave lying to Cindy about his genitals, or was it simply a case of not telling someone extremely personal information about themselves because they don't know them very well?

[Yaminon]

x Sarnath x

Geisterfahrer

x Sarnath x

Um, no offense, but if you have a v****a, you're a girl. By law and by most people's logic.
Maybe to yourself you're a "man" or whatever, but in most people's eyes you're still a girl.

I never understood why this kind of thing matters so much to people. So you don't want to be a girl. I don't really see what's so ******** awful about being a girl, but okay. Why would you be so uncomfortable in your own body? Why do you think being the other gender is a solution?

Maybe you have big problems in your life. Maybe you have issues with yourself. But I don't see how being the other gender or pretending to be the other gender is going to fix these issues. Just be YOU. Forget about fitting into gender stereotypes, or being hung up on what society thinks you are.

I probably sound like a bigot, but I really don't understand why people get so hung up over this.

Take your ignorance elsewhere.
Transgender people are not pretending to be the opposite gender. They are uncomfortable with their bodies because they have Gender Identity Disorder, and living as the other gender is the solution. It isn't about gender stereotypes or being hung up on what society thinks of you. Transgender people are not rejecting their gender role. They are rejecting their gender identity. The only issue transgender people have with themselves is that they were born with the wrong damned set of sexual traits and chromosomes.

Yeah, but this is a "society inflicted" disorder. If all these surgeries and hormone treatments weren't available, people would just suck it up and live with their gender like everybody else.
But all these options are available, so it gets the people who are prone to that kind of thinking all riled up.
Do you think people worried about this stuff 100 years ago before these "treatments" came out? Nope. They just went on with life. Sure, some things about each gender suck. Each has its ups and downs. But changing your gender and permanently ******** up your body is no cure for mental illness and being unhappy with your life. =/

No, this just shows your ignorance. There is a massive amount of historical proof of people living in the gender roles they were comfortable with despite the social repercussions of it. The only difference is that we can intervene medically now to help people out.

Back then all they could do is live out their lives in the best way they knew how to. Binding breasts, trying to disguise the physical characteristics that caused them so much pain. This isn't about society. This is about a disconnect with the body.

You should really look up the suicide statistics for transgender people. This isn't a choice, this isn't something someone can just "deal" with.

[Rosetta Celestine]

x Sarnath x

Geisterfahrer

x Sarnath x

Um, no offense, but if you have a v****a, you're a girl. By law and by most people's logic.
Maybe to yourself you're a "man" or whatever, but in most people's eyes you're still a girl.

I never understood why this kind of thing matters so much to people. So you don't want to be a girl. I don't really see what's so ******** awful about being a girl, but okay. Why would you be so uncomfortable in your own body? Why do you think being the other gender is a solution?

Maybe you have big problems in your life. Maybe you have issues with yourself. But I don't see how being the other gender or pretending to be the other gender is going to fix these issues. Just be YOU. Forget about fitting into gender stereotypes, or being hung up on what society thinks you are.

I probably sound like a bigot, but I really don't understand why people get so hung up over this.

Take your ignorance elsewhere.
Transgender people are not pretending to be the opposite gender. They are uncomfortable with their bodies because they have Gender Identity Disorder, and living as the other gender is the solution. It isn't about gender stereotypes or being hung up on what society thinks of you. Transgender people are not rejecting their gender role. They are rejecting their gender identity. The only issue transgender people have with themselves is that they were born with the wrong damned set of sexual traits and chromosomes.

Yeah, but this is a "society inflicted" disorder. If all these surgeries and hormone treatments weren't available, people would just suck it up and live with their gender like everybody else.
But all these options are available, so it gets the people who are prone to that kind of thinking all riled up.
Do you think people worried about this stuff 100 years ago before these "treatments" came out? Nope. They just went on with life. Sure, some things about each gender suck. Each has its ups and downs. But changing your gender and permanently ******** up your body is no cure for mental illness and being unhappy with your life. =/

Funny how science and logic disagrees with you, huh?

People don't transition because they hate being one gender, they transition because they are one gender while their body is of a sex different from their gender. Most people are born with their gender and sex matching but some are born with mixed up ones.

It is not a "society inflicted disorder". It's an internal one. No matter what society they're in, say in one without the concept of gender, they'd still feel they have the wrong genitals.

People didn't just "deal with it" before the treatments became perfected. They usually committed suicide. And actually, some even successfully transitioned into their true gender.

It is not "******** up" one's body. At least in the case with many women who have GID, once they've fully transitioned physically there are indistinguishable from any other woman. Men with GID especially look like any other man after transitioning, their only issues are perhaps scarring from the removal of extra breast tissue and the current lack of viable complete male genital reconstruction.

[Geisterfahrer]

x Sarnath x

Geisterfahrer

x Sarnath x

Um, no offense, but if you have a v****a, you're a girl. By law and by most people's logic.
Maybe to yourself you're a "man" or whatever, but in most people's eyes you're still a girl.

I never understood why this kind of thing matters so much to people. So you don't want to be a girl. I don't really see what's so ******** awful about being a girl, but okay. Why would you be so uncomfortable in your own body? Why do you think being the other gender is a solution?

Maybe you have big problems in your life. Maybe you have issues with yourself. But I don't see how being the other gender or pretending to be the other gender is going to fix these issues. Just be YOU. Forget about fitting into gender stereotypes, or being hung up on what society thinks you are.

I probably sound like a bigot, but I really don't understand why people get so hung up over this.

Take your ignorance elsewhere.
Transgender people are not pretending to be the opposite gender. They are uncomfortable with their bodies because they have Gender Identity Disorder, and living as the other gender is the solution. It isn't about gender stereotypes or being hung up on what society thinks of you. Transgender people are not rejecting their gender role. They are rejecting their gender identity. The only issue transgender people have with themselves is that they were born with the wrong damned set of sexual traits and chromosomes.

Yeah, but this is a "society inflicted" disorder. If all these surgeries and hormone treatments weren't available, people would just suck it up and live with their gender like everybody else.
But all these options are available, so it gets the people who are prone to that kind of thinking all riled up.
Do you think people worried about this stuff 100 years ago before these "treatments" came out? Nope. They just went on with life. Sure, some things about each gender suck. Each has its ups and downs. But changing your gender and permanently ******** up your body is no cure for mental illness and being unhappy with your life. =/

What evidence do you have that supports your claim that this is a "society inflicted disorder"?

Many other cultures in the past have had transgender people as a part of their culture. Some cultures have even embraced a third gender as a part of their culture. The idea of people living a gender identity different from the sex they were born with is not new. It is only the sex reassignment surgery that is new.
Third Gender In History

The American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association both agree that the best way to treat people with Gender Identity Disorder is to help them transition. So you're wrong. Changing their bodies is the cure.