You Are Stupid...Unless you're an Atheist

Are you a theist or not?

Yes. GODZORZ IS TEH REAL!	19.9%	[ 140 ]
No. I LOL AT JOOR INVISIBLE SKY MAN!	26.9%	[ 189 ]
I'm an agnostic. I CAN'T PROVE NOTHIN'!	21.1%	[ 148 ]
GIMME JOOR GOLDZ!	32.1%	[ 225 ]
Total Votes:			[ 702 ]

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Dark_Links

I'm a mix of atheist and religion. I for one question the power of gods. Like if a god intends on piece, why is there a lot of chaos going on? I still hold on to a little religion but believe on a majority of science. I have my respect for those who are very religious; ex. 'god f*ck it' I don't want to hurt those of other religions no mater how stupid it is.

You might be agnostic here my friend; atheistic people don't believe in dieties, but can be as strongly religious as diestic peoples who do believe in dieties. EX:

Satanism and Buddhism are athiestic religions.

Christianity and Voodoo are diestic religions.

[Ihavenoarmz]

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MyxineDamion

That doesn't mean he was smarter. That just means he worked harder or simply in a more focused manner.

Plus, I'm still in my first year of university.

An excuse coupled with a lack of any kind of retort. Also, intelligence and knowledge are not the same thing: He did specialize in an area and probably was smarter than you in that area and perhaps his methodologies as well. You might actually be quite dumb, thinking you're smart, based on what information you can recall or something of the sort. It's a common error amongst the populace.

Or I may be quite smart, based on my grades and the ease with which I solve whatever they throw at me. I'm not bad at languages either. Encyclopedic knowledge is hardly my speciality. Of course, you don't know me. Hell, I don't really know myself either, and I don't pretend to.

Who says I won't be great or even awesome in my specialized area?

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Phorcys

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RollerDisco

...And I just said. This does not back up the argument for God by any means.

A concept: Instead of saying "God is real" try and look for the disproving of the statement "Atheists are smartest".

It's probably not an arguement for God at all. rolleyes

What?! What does this even mean? You have just espoused a meaningless sentence tantamount to

Bread + Abe Lincoln = (Goats x Led Zeppelin)

You couldn't be more unclear if you tried.

Simplified: She suggests that certain people in history, when stated as having a religion, was used to justify religious dieties.

I stated that instead of such a thing she might assume that these people, who were revolutionaries, may have been diestic. To that end atheistic people are not better / smarter than diestic people.

Read the signature; you've my pity.

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And there's a whole chapter in the book on Einstien's religion.

"The Book?"

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Yes, "The Book", you bloody pedant. Clearly the book that started this conversation: The God Delusion.

More pity.

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'A deeply religious non-beliver'

'I don't try to imagine a personal God; it suffices to stand in awe at the structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it'

Quoted from where?

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Oh, where the hell do you think? From the ******** God Delusion, which was stated mere seconds prior, and originally from Albert Eistein.

Since you seem unable to make the simplest of connections between x and y in terms of reference, one can only conclude one of two things:

Either you are trying to waste time by getting people to re-state obvious facts in the debate, or you honest to god can't figure simple things like this out on your own.

So which is it: are you trying to waste our time, or are you just an idiot?

More pity.

Underlined: Even more pity.

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So... how are God, Allah, Vishnu, and Zeus more provable than an orbiting tea cup or unicorn?

[Ihavenoarmz]

Whom

So... how are God, Allah, Vishnu, and Zeus more provable than an orbiting tea cup or unicorn?

Well, you can see Zeus, at least. Of course, you die when you do... But you can see, say, Hera. Or Poseidon. Or Hades if he's washing his head.

Disproving them might be trickier.

[A Lost Iguana]

Eh, what is with the debate about Einstein? A majority of the mathematics in his work was developed by the likes of Riemann; but he had "that year" in 1905 and cemented his place as one of the most notable of scientists. He wrote extensively on religion and to describe him as "Jewish" would be to do a disservice to his views. I would not describe his as Jewish but as a sort of pantheist.

He did not accept the idea of an anthropomorphic God dictating matters in the universe.

He's not really relevant to the discussion at hand.

Edit: he's very famous, but I would not say he was any more of a genius than some of the other great scientists in the past. People like Wolfgang Pauli, Enrico Femi and Lev Landau were all brilliant but are largely ignored by the public at large.

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MyxineDamion

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MyxineDamion

That doesn't mean he was smarter. That just means he worked harder or simply in a more focused manner.

Plus, I'm still in my first year of university.

An excuse coupled with a lack of any kind of retort. Also, intelligence and knowledge are not the same thing: He did specialize in an area and probably was smarter than you in that area and perhaps his methodologies as well. You might actually be quite dumb, thinking you're smart, based on what information you can recall or something of the sort. It's a common error amongst the populace.

Or I may be quite smart, based on my grades and the ease with which I solve whatever they throw at me.

It takes no "intelligence" to do math you know. A decent memory combined with the basic understanding of numbers one through ten are really all you need. That's if we excise technology.

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I'm not bad at languages either.

Another memory conundrum? The ability to connect simple terms can be found in children, and since most children can speak, you're not proving any amazing skills and abilities.

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Encyclopedic knowledge is hardly my speciality. Of course, you don't know me. Hell, I don't really know myself either, and I don't pretend to.

... I wish to e-shrug.

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Who says I won't be great or even awesome in my specialized area?

I could say "Who says you will?" but, if you say you will, then perhaps you will. What do I know?

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The Christian Bible basically states that people who don't embrace Christ will burn in hell throughout their entire afterlife. I see that as being just as much of an attack on a group as is "The God Delusion", the only difference being that the Bible older and held as more sacred.
Let me state that I haven't read "The God Delusion". I am just making my post based on how the thread starter described it.

As for the online chat, you have every right to be offended. There is no way to justify their actions.

Everyone has the right to believe in what they want to, it's just unfortunate that some feel the need to express it in the form of personal attacks on others.

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MyxineDamion

Whom

So... how are God, Allah, Vishnu, and Zeus more provable than an orbiting tea cup or unicorn?

Well, you can see Zeus, at least. Of course, you die when you do... But you can see, say, Hera. Or Poseidon. Or Hades if he's washing his head.

Disproving them might be trickier.

Heh. True.

Although you can also see unicorns, and if the tea cup is in a low enough orbit, you can see that too. So deities still don't have the edge.

[Ihavenoarmz]

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MyxineDamion

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MyxineDamion

That doesn't mean he was smarter. That just means he worked harder or simply in a more focused manner.

Plus, I'm still in my first year of university.

An excuse coupled with a lack of any kind of retort. Also, intelligence and knowledge are not the same thing: He did specialize in an area and probably was smarter than you in that area and perhaps his methodologies as well. You might actually be quite dumb, thinking you're smart, based on what information you can recall or something of the sort. It's a common error amongst the populace.

Or I may be quite smart, based on my grades and the ease with which I solve whatever they throw at me.

It takes no "intelligence" to do math you know. A decent memory combined with the basic understanding of numbers one through ten are really all you need. That's if we excise technology.

Who's talking about maths?
I kind of suck at maths, actually. (University-level maths, that is) I make up for it in other subjects.

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I'm not bad at languages either.

Another memory conundrum? The ability to connect simple terms can be found in children, and since most children can speak, you're not proving any amazing skills and abilities.

All the basic intellectual skills are present in some form in children.
It's undeniable that learning many languages is an intellectual feat, though.

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Encyclopedic knowledge is hardly my speciality. Of course, you don't know me. Hell, I don't really know myself either, and I don't pretend to.

... I wish to e-shrug.

Be my guest.

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Who says I won't be great or even awesome in my specialized area?

I could say "Who says you will?" but, if you say you will, then perhaps you will. What do I know?

Exactly.
I'm too much of slacker, honestly, and I put my personal life above contributing to humanity, so I'm not sure about that. But who knows how my personality will evolve in the next 8 years?

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SkiDMiKMarKs

The Christian Bible basically states that people who don't embrace Christ will burn in hell throughout their entire afterlife. I see that as being just as much of an attack on a group as is "The God Delusion", the only difference being that the Bible older and held as more sacred.

As I said before no one is making any real breakthroughs.

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Let me state that I haven't read "The God Delusion". I am just making my post based on how the thread starter described it.

Black Power! was a concept in the book too... <_<;; Support it.

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As for the online chat, you have every right to be offended. There is no way to justify their actions.

If I enter into your house, and speak badly of you, will you let me stay? IF I suggest an insecurity in you, will you let me reside with you? You should not! So it is the same.

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Everyone has the right to believe in what they want to, it's just unfortunate that some feel the need to express it in the form of personal attacks on others.

Everyone has the right to attack their brother, it is just a shame that so many think that right is worthy of acting upon.

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MyxineDamion

Who's talking about maths?

Me.

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I kind of suck at maths, actually. (University-level maths, that is) I make up for it in other subjects.

I am good at math, but have a poor memory. -_-;;

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I'm not bad at languages either.

Another memory conundrum? The ability to connect simple terms can be found in children, and since most children can speak, you're not proving any amazing skills and abilities.

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All the basic intellectual skills are present in some form in children.
It's undeniable that learning many languages is an intellectual feat, though.

That's debateable since there are those who learn through retention and mockery. In other words, like real children, they never stop mimicking others and learn the language through that manner.

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Encyclopedic knowledge is hardly my speciality. Of course, you don't know me. Hell, I don't really know myself either, and I don't pretend to.

... I wish to e-shrug.

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Be my guest.

-shrug-

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Who says I won't be great or even awesome in my specialized area?

I could say "Who says you will?" but, if you say you will, then perhaps you will. What do I know?

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Exactly.
I'm too much of slacker, honestly, and I put my personal life above contributing to humanity, so I'm not sure about that. But who knows how my personality will evolve in the next 8 years?

See, now, you and I could be friends, and that's rare that I say that, probably too rare, but it's true. No matter; best of luck to you. I have to go off and improve myself in some manner.

Ta.

[A Lost Iguana]

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It takes no "intelligence" to do math you know. A decent memory combined with the basic understanding of numbers one through ten are really all you need. That's if we excise technology.

That's crap. Have you even studied pure mathematics? Rigorous proofs of certain theorems have taken exception insight and understanding of abstract concepts. Using mathematical methods is cranking the wheel, but developing the methods and different systems is not simple.

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Einstein may have developed his general theory of relativity, but he never accepted quantum mechanics [ironically, he helped develop it with his work on the photoelectric effect] and wasted the latter years of his life in an attempt to create a unified field theory.

I really wish people didn't cite Einstein as an example of a religious super-genius, it is pure myth.

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For the record, Dawkins, despite being an exceptional ethologist, is a shitty philosopher of religion. I'm tempted to read his book just to see if he "gets" the various models of Gods yet, or if he's still stuck with the "everlasting anthropomorphic" one.

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A Lost Iguana

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It takes no "intelligence" to do math you know. A decent memory combined with the basic understanding of numbers one through ten are really all you need. That's if we excise technology.

That's crap. Have you even studied pure mathematics?

Yes. Tis' Hard.

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Rigorous proofs of certain theorems have taken exceptional insight and understanding of abstract concepts.

Yes.

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Using mathematical methods is cranking the wheel, but developing the methods and different systems is not simple.

Very rarely is developing anything simple. Even developing what we consider simple isn't necessarily simple.

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Einstein may have developed his general theory of relativity, but he never accepted quantum mechanics [ironically, he helped develop it with his work on the photoelectric effect] and wasted the latter years of his life in an attempt to create a unified field theory.

I really wish people didn't cite Einstein as an example of a religious super-genius, it is pure myth.

Bolded: Cite.

[Ihavenoarmz]

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MyxineDamion

Who's talking about maths?

Me.

Fair enough.
But I was talking about biology and chemistry exercises.

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I kind of suck at maths, actually. (University-level maths, that is) I make up for it in other subjects.

I am good at math, but have a poor memory. -_-;;

Might be a lack of interest. I can't remember s**t unless I'm interested in it.

Which explains why I remember all 491 of the pokemons and the names of their moves in at least 2 languages, but I still have to look for EVERY phone number. Or even my address. I feel like a nerd.

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I'm not bad at languages either.

Another memory conundrum? The ability to connect simple terms can be found in children, and since most children can speak, you're not proving any amazing skills and abilities.

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All the basic intellectual skills are present in some form in children.
It's undeniable that learning many languages is an intellectual feat, though.

That's debateable since there are those who learn through retention and mockery. In other words, like real children, they never stop mimicking others and learn the language through that manner.

I don't think I suck that bad at english. But it could be debatable too.

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See, now, you and I could be friends, and that's rare that I say that, probably too rare, but it's true.

Doubt it. I remember that you're scary, but not why.