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Kimihiro_Watanuki 5. Are you ever skeptical that they might ever be evidence (scientific proof) of a deity? What does this mean: scientific proof of a deity? What is the difference between a deity and very advanced technology? |
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roothands PirateEire Ramouth roothands I LOL when I see Atheists acting exactly like Christians. Advertising their beliefs and pushing them on others. Condemning other who don't believe the way they do. I guess these kinds of Atheists fail to see the irony in what they are doing. Oh well. SOO true, I thought the point behind being Atheist, was to NOT push off anything on anyone else, because they don't like it when Christians do it to them....I must have missed something. Even so, is it right to push what you believe on others? And condemn others for not believing what you believe? Not to mention that Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Daoists, etc. don't proselytize, so why that hell do some atheists feel so ******** defensive about religion in general? As if we're out to get atheists or something. I've never tried to convert anyone, ever. So I really don't deserve the attitude I get from some atheists, and I will continue to call them on it. I've had atheists tell me they were smarter than me just because of the philosophy they choose to live their life by. Meanwhile, I don't claim to be smarter than anyone else because of my association with Judaism. It's stupid and unfair of these a*****e jerks. It also reflects badly on atheism in general. While I do agree that it's wrong for ANYONE to push their belief off on anyone else, as you are right on about that. I've no idea why atheists feel that everyone else is out to "get" them, as far as being so defensive about religion in general, there's no need to be; granted I know there are many beliefs out there that will push themselves off on others, that just goes to show they have a closed mind. I feel that it's best to respect everyone regardless of belief, race, culture, or sexuality...imagine if everyone would do that...what a wonderful place this would be. I also feel that anyone who is closed minded about beliefs, cultures, races, and sexuality are the ones who aren't very bright. To be smart is to gather as much information that you can about all that you can; and beliefs/spirituality is/are one of the things that will never have answers to. But I've a feeling that the reason that MOST atheists feel that everyone is out to "get" them (at least in the United States), is because of several things, but mainly this: **In 1956, during the peak of the US Cold War, McCarthy, was on a communism witch hunt the US government placed 'in God we trust' into the pledge, to differentiate between communism, which was thought to promote Atheism. But come one people, Europe is laughing at us, along with other countries, we are no longer in the Cold War; and it's time that we stop being so closed minded! I honestly blame the US Education System...but that's a whole different thread wink **Resource for my statement, as well as reading up on many different beliefs can be found here: http://www.religioustolerance.org/ |
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I don't understand why this generation suddenly thinks that they're smarter than almost all of the people who have lived before them for the last seven thousand or so years. ._.; And honestly, I think the entire universe being a coincidence is far more ludicrous than the existence of an omnipotent being.
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Kealdrea I don't understand why this generation suddenly thinks that they're smarter than almost all of the people who have lived before them for the last seven thousand or so years. ._.; And honestly, I think the entire universe being a coincidence is far more ludicrous than the existence of an omnipotent being. Not smarter, more technologically advanced; and the greater apparent understanding that comes with it. whee And dammit, don't give Voija more more of an excuse to post walls-of-text from his blog. gonk |
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I am atheist myself, but I tend to try to keep an open mind and try my best to learn about other religions and respect them. I think that everyone should follow this example OR just avoid bashing religious people about their religion. It is WRONG.
I can see exactly why you are infuriated with that author, I personally dislike the ways he presents his views as well. In my perspective, Religion is a good thing. It gives people hope and comfort in times of need and people need to look up to someone. It isn't right for someone, especially an antheist to tell people that their religion isn't real, and take that comfort away from them. Besides, what if God WAS really real? No one can prove or disprove it, it is only a matter in which wether you believe in God or not. If you choose not to believe then fine, don't crush other people and what they believe in. What matters if you yourself PERSONALLY believe in a religion or not. If you don't have a religion, like myself, then fine. Just respect other people's views and stop trying to infuriate them. --- But in turn, I still must jump over to the other side as well. As much respect all antheists should give to the Religious people, The religious people in turn, should not try to convert or force people to believe in a religion. --- In conclusion to both sides, Ask yourselves this: Why not try to understand that you should try to respect people's beliefs or disbeliefs? Even if they do not match your own? |
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Ramouth But I've a feeling that the reason that MOST atheists feel that everyone is out to "get" them (at least in the United States), is because of several things, but mainly this: **In 1956, during the peak of the US Cold War, McCarthy, was on a communism witch hunt the US government placed 'in God we trust' into the pledge, to differentiate between communism, which was thought to promote Atheism. True, but all of that frustration used to only be directed towards Christians, but it seems like it's directed towards anyone with a belief system these days. Oh, and I'm so sick of the whole term "Judeo-Christian," as in "Judeo-Christian beliefs" -- like what are those? As if the two groups are the same?! I blame that term for the fact that most people just assume that both religions believe all the same things. Judaism is not just like Christianity, without Jesus. Jews don't deserve to get s**t along with the Christians for the prayer in schools debate, "In God We Trust" s**t. Jews didn't want that s**t in the public arena in the first place! Basically, "leave us alone and we'll leave you alone" is how it should stand. |
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Fuzzy Poop I am atheist myself, but I tend to try to keep an open mind and try my best to learn about other religions and respect them. I try to respect atheists. Most of the people I know are atheists, or agnostic, including my parents. None of those people have ever really given me any problems regarding my beliefs. I just wanted to make that clear because I don't want anyone to misconstrue my comments and consider them a reflection of my beliefs regarding any and all atheists. |
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Fuzzy Poop I am atheist myself, but I tend to try to keep an open mind and try my best to learn about other religions and respect them. I think that everyone should follow this example OR just avoid bashing religious people about their religion. It is WRONG. I can see exactly why you are infuriated with that author, I personally dislike the ways he presents his views as well. In my perspective, Religion is a good thing. It gives people hope and comfort in times of need and people need to look up to someone. It isn't right for someone, especially an antheist to tell people that their religion isn't real, and take that comfort away from them. Besides, what if God WAS really real? No one can prove or disprove it, it is only a matter in which wether you believe in God or not. If you choose not to believe then fine, don't crush other people and what they believe in. What matters if you yourself PERSONALLY believe in a religion or not. If you don't have a religion, like myself, then fine. Just respect other people's views and stop trying to infuriate them. --- But in turn, I still must jump over to the other side as well. As much respect all antheists should give to the Religious people, The religious people in turn, should not try to convert or force people to believe in a religion. --- In conclusion to both sides, Ask yourselves this: Why not try to understand that you should try to respect people's beliefs or disbeliefs? Even if they do not match your own? you are very wise...i commend you (i thought about mentioning "God Bless You" as a little joke...but eh screw it...) you're athiest and i can see why, i too have questioned God's existance MANY MANY TIMES....but i've decided that i will CHOOSE to believe in him... anyway, you have the right to be athiest and i the right to be christian...and as long as we just not try to start s**t with each other over it...then we could be harmonious..... ..why can't more people understand this?? |
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roothands Oh, and I'm so sick of the whole term "Judeo-Christian," as in "Judeo-Christian beliefs" -- like what are those? As if the two groups are the same?! I blame that term for the fact that most people just assume that both religions believe all the same things. Judaism is not just like Christianity, without Jesus. Judeao-Christian comes from the fact that Jesus was a Jewish rabbi and that many of his teachings are based on Jewish teachings but without the "eye for an eye" bits of the Old Testament that Jews follow. Jews believe in the same God as Christians except that Jews don't believe Jesus was the son of God. Instead, they believe that Moses was God's original (and only?) prophet. Quote: Jews don't deserve to get s**t along with the Christians for the prayer in schools debate, "In God We Trust" s**t. Again, Jews believe in the same God but just not in Jesus, so in some cases it would apply. Not all Jewish sects are as open to other religions as people seem to believe and not all of them support a secular society. |
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Im an atheist. I in no way feel that because someone believes in a religion that also makes them stupid. I think for many people it has its purpose and need and can do good. I do become irritated when religion of any kind is held up like its everyones law, and all should conform to its particular ideas and teachings. I also think it irritating when people hide behind religion to throw stones at other people. |
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Fuzzy Poop I am atheist myself, but I tend to try to keep an open mind and try my best to learn about other religions and respect them. I think that everyone should follow this example OR just avoid bashing religious people about their religion. It is WRONG. I tolerate them, and as a consequence, I don't bash until directly confronted. I've still yet to find a reason to respect them. IMO, respect shouldn't be thrown around so easily. Fuzzy Poop In my perspective, Religion is a good thing. It gives people hope and comfort in times of need and people need to look up to someone. It isn't right for someone, especially an antheist to tell people that their religion isn't real, and take that comfort away from them. Of course, this will depend on the religion. I look down on anything that involves worship, veneration and supplication... and most of all, a doctrine of any sort. For this reason I don't mind (as a matter of fact, I tend to indulge) philosophies with a supernatural background, because they open themselves up to counter-views. Fuzzy Poop Besides, what if God WAS really real? No one can prove or disprove it, it is only a matter in which wether you believe in God or not. If you choose not to believe then fine, don't crush other people and what they believe in. What if he was? If he's as described as most of the mainstream religions, as demanding worship and commanding others on what is right and wrong, I'll still reject him, just as I would with a mortal who has those traits. Fuzzy Poop What matters if you yourself PERSONALLY believe in a religion or not. If you don't have a religion, like myself, then fine. Just respect other people's views and stop trying to infuriate them. Views are an interesting thing. Views inevitably affect the way people act and therefore, affect how they act towards you and as a consequence, they affect yourself. Hatred or repugnance towards a religion is also a view and if one can be expressed, the other should be able to be expressed as well. Fuzzy Poop But in turn, I still must jump over to the other side as well. As much respect all antheists should give to the Religious people, The religious people in turn, should not try to convert or force people to believe in a religion. Sometimes it may be against their religious doctrine to not try to convert people. Fuzzy Poop In conclusion to both sides, Ask yourselves this: Why not try to understand that you should try to respect people's beliefs or disbeliefs? Even if they do not match your own? |
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The biggest misconception about conversion is this. If I were trying to "convert" you as you say, all I would be trying to do is teach you a little bit about my faith. I'm not going to tell you your ways are inferior to mine.
I'm nbot going to ram a Bible, Koran, Torah, or a stuffed pink unicorn down your thorat. I'm going tell you why I believe, and why I think you should. Another teaching in the Christian Bible is to shake the dust from your feet and move on. If someone doesn't want to hear it, they will not listen, so there is no point in continuing. And everyone acts like religious people are the only one's doing it. One too many times have I had it said to my face in a religious discussion: Them >> God isn't real. Me >> Why do you think that? Them >> Cuz he's just fake roflol. Me >> *literally shoves bible down throat* Stop stealing my oxygen! |
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1. Does being an atheist make you smarter than anyone else?
Definitly not. i know many religious people who are high in political status, who are doctors architects while most athiests are no better than a worker at macdonalds. 2. Are deities and religion nothing but delusions and forms of crowd control? no, it helps you control yourself. stops you from doing silly and stupid stuff. only some religious people are extremists who take it too far. like terrorists and people who go by the book, by every single ******** word by word. 3. Where did I mess up? Logical errors, etc. you didnt mess up, there are just alot of ignorant person in this world who are very narrow minded and extremely arrogant. 4. Is faith just a crutch? No, its a guideline. it stops you from getting STD's from irresponsible sex or being raped from showing to much of yourself and letting guys getting perverted over women. It discourages alot of bad things which ruins people lives like alchol and drugs. 5. Are you ever skeptical that they might ever be evidence (scientific proof) of a deity? As in proof that god exsists. try yourself, try what you look at the everything you breath. everything around you is proof of god. people are just to ignorant to see that. and it says god wont send anymore prophets or messengers. Theres no harm in being religious y'know. you can still enjoy yourself and follow the rules at the same time... |
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Atheists are open minded to any and all evidence. No one need have faith in anything at all. Do you have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow? I do not! Ignoring the fact that it's actually US moving, not the sun, and that there are many possibilities that could change that, I do not take it on faith. It is reasonable to conclude, based on evidence, that it will do so.
All minds close at the point where they claim "God did it", for then all inquiry stops! Therein, lies a closed mind. |
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