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Macai
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Then, not all fanfiction sucks, which disproves your statement that fanfiction (all insinuated) sucks.
No, wrong. If fanfiction in general sucks, the average score of fanfiction is lower.

If you have nine 1 star movies and one 3 star movie, what is the average score? 1.2 stars.

Conclusion: fanfiction sucks

EDIT: I would like to further point out, once more, that this is a subjective discussion, not an objective one. If you don't want to address my criticisms, please find another thread.
I'd like to point out that generalizing a subject does not change that there can be good within it. For example, you say that the general score for fanfiction is low. Inversely, a good fanfic would get a higher score automatically by being good in a poor genre.

If a studio produce 10 movies, and the first 9 are incredibly crappy, but the 10th one is slightly above average, it will rate higher then it should because it came from a studio known for bad movies.
You going to address my criticisms, or try to objectify a subjective subject? There is no objectivity to literary criticism. It's like trying to look for metaphors in a math equation.
I think these kinds of things serve as experiments, a fanfic writer doesn't need to worry about creating a setting, or any characterization, the reader is already aware of those. It's an easy way to practice fiction.

I don't know why anyone reads them though, they're really crap. I had a friend who delighted in their far-fetchedness and poor grammar. I guess it's a sort of irony?
So far, all the fanfics I have ever read have sucked (except one), or just added a bunch of sex. My girlfriend loves the stuff. She reads fan fics about band members, which in my opinion is a complete waste of time. There are so many great works of literature out there; why read a story that someone stole, mutilated, or added a bunch of ridiculous sex scenes to? And fanfics about band members? Come on.
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I think these kinds of things serve as experiments, a fanfic writer doesn't need to worry about creating a setting, or any characterization, the reader is already aware of those. It's an easy way to practice fiction.

I don't know why anyone reads them though, they're really crap. I had a friend who delighted in their far-fetchedness and poor grammar. I guess it's a sort of irony?
There are people who read them, and take them very seriously.

I bet you anything that I could write a Harry Potter fanfic about Voldemort using sinister magic to seduce Dumbledore into bed with him, and then finish the spell by giving Dumbledore the first instance of the AIDS virus in the Harry Potter universe, and someone out there would laud it as a brilliant piece of literature.
Lol. I honestly don't understand the fascination with it myself. Especially not the ones about real existing people. When you take to members of a band and make them have gay sex in your fanfic, you are destroying my image of them. Even if it is fiction I never want to imagine that sort of thing. I quit liking random sex related stuff when I was in my freshman high school days, it's really lame when you think about.

Come on people, find real people for yourselves to love (here in reality not your own little world) it's better. You should try it.
Well, since my last post was ignored, I'm just going to say this: Don't mistake the message for the messenger. Yes, maybe most of the fanfiction suck. That doesn't mean that fanfiction, as the messanger and form, suck.
But right, it must suck because fanfiction authors borrow elements from other works. Well then, I guess Tom Stoppard is a douche (well, Stoppard could be a douche, but it wouldn't be for his play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead). Also, any other writer who borrows elements from other works are egotistical assholes who believe they can do something better with a story. Like whoever made West Side Story. Yeah, they're very unoriginal.
Very rarely are sexual orientations stated in canon. Who are you to say that Heero Yuy is straight? Have you ever seen him kiss a girl in canon? Who are you to say that any Harry Potter character is straight? If you read any of the books Dumbledore hardly comes off stereotypically gay and before JK Rowling's annoucement, no one even had a damned clue.

The focus of very few shonen series is sexuality. It's rare a character is established straight, gay, or bi. Your argument only holds when a character is established as a certain sexual orientation. If they aren't then, boo effing hoo.

Yaoi isn't bad.

Fanfiction isn't bad.

Slash fanfiction isn't bad.

Bad writers make bad fanfiction no matter the genre.

Quit bitching about it.
I enjoy slash fan fiction (I'm starting to despise calling it 'yaoi' unless it's, well, actually yaoi). Some of it is awful, but, then again, so are some movies or books. And the good stuff can expand the story in a way I wouldn't usually get to see.
Did it occur to you that some yaoi is Canon?

Fankly I'm sick of Canon, go to FF.net and all you'll find on the first page is canon. I ask writers to be at least a little more creative (unless you make a badass canon fiction)

Any non-canon can be a good fanfiction as long as it has a good plot and the characters act in-character and not OOC.

That's probably the main thing I hate about yaoi fangirls (example: ItachixSasuke, they hate eachother's guts and want to kill the other, they could NEVER get into ANY sort of relationship. Sure you could make a fanfiction involving them together before Itachi kills the family, but even then their relationship barely merited friendship if even brotherhood. It could never happen)

They just make crap filled fanfics with OOC characters, or insert THEMSELVES into the fic. (big no-no)

One thing that really grinds my nerves is fanfiction writers who swap english words with Japanese words. These are almost as worse as slash fanfiction writers. When you write a fanfic, STICK TO ONE LAUGUAGE, ******** Wapanese.
Macai
[ k u r u ~ c h a n]
I think these kinds of things serve as experiments, a fanfic writer doesn't need to worry about creating a setting, or any characterization, the reader is already aware of those. It's an easy way to practice fiction.

I don't know why anyone reads them though, they're really crap. I had a friend who delighted in their far-fetchedness and poor grammar. I guess it's a sort of irony?
There are people who read them, and take them very seriously.

I bet you anything that I could write a Harry Potter fanfic about Voldemort using sinister magic to seduce Dumbledore into bed with him, and then finish the spell by giving Dumbledore the first instance of the AIDS virus in the Harry Potter universe, and someone out there would laud it as a brilliant piece of literature.


Is it your implication, then, that the idiots who write/read fanfiction represent fanfiction writers/readers as a whole, or that those who write/read good fanfiction ought to be lumped in with them?

I write fanfiction. I try my damndest to to write good fanfiction, and so far have failed to disappoint anyone who has read my long-term work. And I'm not just talking having received sugary praise from morons -- I've had intellectual debates on various points, and have corresponded with some very intelligent people. The only reason I'm not providing you with usernames, and challenging you to call these people morons to their proverbial faces, is that I don't want to do so without their consent; I will, however, happily attempt to obtain such consent if you please.

The quality of my work is not diminished due to stupid people who write badly, any more than the quality of a given novel or movie is affected in any way by the quality of the other novels or movies coming out at the same time, any more than the flip of a coin influences the roll of a six-sided die. Your "fanfiction has an overall low score" argument is at best an ad hoc, and has no bearing on what you were trying to state, and indeed invalidates the rest of the statements you have been making. You have stated that all fanfiction is bad, and then attempted to retract the superlative nature of that statement just enough to allow for the proof being tossed in your face, while still somehow imagining you can maintain the initial assertion. This is so illogical it makes my brain bleed, mostly because your overall language-based articulation leads me to believe you would be smarter than that.

Your demands that your concerns be addressed are illogical under your own premise as well. No one but you can subjectively address them -- others can only objectively do so, by the nature of opinions, but you have already stated that objective assessment is invalid. Essentially, you are demanding an impossibility, and then using others' failure to accomplish it as evidence that your opinion is unassailable and your point correct -- a classic example of negative proof fallacy. Ergo, you are using the forums as a soapbox, cultivating discussion only insofar as that allows you to technically comply with forum rules, and refusing to allow any real challenge to your opinions to be valid.

So please -- this forum is not a soapbox. Take it someplace else.
Macai
Fan fiction writers say that it's to "expand upon the story" of something, but they rarely stay with the canon even remotely. Often the entire point of fan fictions is just to add yourself into the story, or to make characters from the book get in romantic relationships which they simply wouldn't get involved in, because they were "meant to be."

Can someone please explain to me why girls write Yaoi fan fictions where badassed, mean sons o' bitches suddenly become sensitive and kind with one another, and then have passionate gay sex?

Psychologically, I can understand why a heterosexual person would like to see two members of the opposite sex in sexual situations at once, but why must they be torn out of their original characters?

Why can't they make their own characters for this? The act of taking characters out of character does not bother me, but the pretension involved in contesting the validity of a novel's, movie's or series' canon astounds me.

But this sort of thing may be how art evolves; from one thing, something only vaguely relevant is derived. And from that derivation comes the standard.

On the cynical side of this argument's coin, it might just be idiots producing tasteless garbage. Maybe Yaoi Fan Fiction is just crap that bored, horny 14 year old girls write. Maybe it's not true art.

My opinion is that it's the latter. What's yours?


So is your rant just about you complaining about characters which are straight turned gay because someone wants them to be gay for their own story?

Lack of tolerance much?
Since Macai is of the strict a**l tight opinion that all fan fiction sucks, there is no discussion to be held here. I say leave this thread and go back to what lowers your blood pressure.

Besides, his arguments are purely opinion. Wait. I already stated that didn't I?

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