Yaoi Fan Fiction And Artful Evolution

[BadLuckNovelist]

Foment_life

I also have to say that if you are trying to be "creative" with a character, make a character, don't "borrow" someone else's character if you fully intend to redevelop them. If you're working with a concept, working within someone else's world, I really don't have a problem with what you're writing. BadLuckNovelist's Poke-people (Please don't take offense, I'm very likely oversimplifying your idea) is hardly fanfiction. It's taking the concept of a video game, and expanding with (to my understanding) new characters. Nowhere did she say that Ash was actually a Pikachu.

Haha, don't worry about it. It'd take too long thinking of how to explain them in a short and to the point manner. Though no, it used both new and canon characters, a mix.

[Lucifiric]

Fanfiction is meant for fun. It's not like people are making a profit out of writing it so does it really matter what they do with the characters. Just to clarify I am a yaoi fangirl and have been since forever.

I agree a lot of the stories are crappy, but I generally avoid those. There are many good fanfics like the Sacrifices Arcs written by Lightning on the Wave on FF.net. After people read that they can't tell me that fanfic is crap. The story is so complex, and sure some of the characters are a bit oc, but it fits into the plot line and that's what matters.

Not all of fanfiction is crap just like not all published original stories are good pieces of literature.

[Do-Ri-To Ninja]

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Can someone please explain to me why girls write Yaoi fan fictions where badassed, mean sons o' bitches suddenly become sensitive and kind with one another, and then have passionate gay sex?

Envy x Al, anyone?
I fall victim to this in a couple of my own stories.
Fan fiction is just that-- Fan fiction. The writer can make the characters act totally OOC for the sake of a lemon.

[2 Be Continued___]

Interestingly enough, the November issue of Wired magazine dealt with the doujinshi market in Japan. An issue discussed in the magazine but so far not discussed here is copyright law. After all, fanfiction writers take the copyrighted characters and themes and do something with them. However, the author of the article stated that Japan manga creators and doujinshi creators have an amnoku no ryokai or "unspoken, implicit agreement" between the two groups that goes along the lines of manga creators not sueing doujinshi creators as long as doujinshi creators don't do anything that negatively affects the market of the canon stories.

Anyway, here is what the author states as the reasons for allowing doujinshi, which can apply to fanfiction in general:

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First, and mostly, its a customer care program. The dojinshi devotees are manga's fiercest fans. "We're not denying the viability or importance of intellectual property, "says Kasuhiko Torishima, an executive at the publishing behemoth Sheisha. "But when the numbers speak, you have to listen."

This is confirmed later in the article when the author talks to Ageha Ohkawa, head of Clamp. During the time the author of the article takes out a couple of doujinshi, at which point Ohkawa laughs and says

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"Any popular manga is going to have this treatment done....It is by the people who are truly in love with the work"

and goes on to say

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"I think it's good because they are expressing love for the work. And, of course, we [Clamp] come from the dojinshi world, so I understand this."

This is relevant because Clamp started out as a doujinshi-creating circle, but more on that later.

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Second, as [Keiji] Takeda put it at Super Comic Ciy, "this is the soil for new talent." While most dojinshi creators have no aspirations to become manga superstars, several artists have used the comic markets to springboard into mainstream success. The best example is Clamp, which began as a circle of a dozen college women selling self-published work at comic markets in the Kansai region. Today Clamp's members are manga rock stars; they have sold close to 100 million books worldwide.

So basically even though many fanfiction writers are not interesting in furthering their career in storytelling, there are probably fanfiction writers who are. Fanfic writers can use fanfiction writing to a) devolop their talents and b) launch their writing careers. Like in the case of Clamp.
Anyway, perhaps most fanfiction is crap, but there are merits for fanfiction.

[Macai]

Fanfiction sucks.

[Heart of the Fallen Angel]

Macai

Fanfiction sucks.

Prove it

[Captain Verd]

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Macai

Fanfiction sucks.

Prove it

It's purely opinion, a**. It can't be proven or disproved.

[Macai]

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Macai

Fanfiction sucks.

Prove it

Fanfiction has a few obnoxious themes that have at least one of the following occuring in the vast majority of them.

1) It's yaoi hentai where the author takes badassed, mean sons o' bitches and turns them into caring, gentlemanly bishonen who ******** eachother up the a** for no real reason.

2) The author inserts himself because...just because.

3) The author changes the characters' personalities for shits and giggles.

4) The author changes the setting for shits and giggles.

[Heart of the Fallen Angel]

Macai

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Macai

Fanfiction sucks.

Prove it

Fanfiction has a few obnoxious themes that have at least one of the following occuring in the vast majority of them.

1) It's yaoi hentai where the author takes badassed, mean sons o' bitches and turns them into caring, gentlemanly bishonen who ******** eachother up the a** for no real reason.

2) The author inserts himself because...just because.

3) The author changes the characters' personalities for shits and giggles.

4) The author changes the setting for shits and giggles.

1: That's ot all fanfiction, just a group within fanfiction

2: Again, that's one group of fanfiction, not all fanfiction

3: See 1 and 2

4: I've seen several fanfictions that stay on the same setting, with the same personalities, and create a story that would fit into the fandom they are ficcing.

[Macai]

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Macai

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Macai

Fanfiction sucks.

Prove it

Fanfiction has a few obnoxious themes that have at least one of the following occuring in the vast majority of them.

1) It's yaoi hentai where the author takes badassed, mean sons o' bitches and turns them into caring, gentlemanly bishonen who ******** eachother up the a** for no real reason.

2) The author inserts himself because...just because.

3) The author changes the characters' personalities for shits and giggles.

4) The author changes the setting for shits and giggles.

1: That's ot all fanfiction, just a group within fanfiction

2: Again, that's one group of fanfiction, not all fanfiction

3: See 1 and 2

4: I've seen several fanfictions that stay on the same setting, with the same personalities, and create a story that would fit into the fandom they are ficcing.

Like I said, the vast majority, not every last one. I'd say novels sucked if they all did s**t like that, but they don't.

[Heart of the Fallen Angel]

Captain Verd

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Macai

Fanfiction sucks.

Prove it

It's purely opinion, a**. It can't be proven or disproved.

Opinion does not constitue anything good for a stance in debate, the ED is a place for topics to be discussed and debated.

[Heart of the Fallen Angel]

Macai

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Macai

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Macai

Fanfiction sucks.

Prove it

Fanfiction has a few obnoxious themes that have at least one of the following occuring in the vast majority of them.

1) It's yaoi hentai where the author takes badassed, mean sons o' bitches and turns them into caring, gentlemanly bishonen who ******** eachother up the a** for no real reason.

2) The author inserts himself because...just because.

3) The author changes the characters' personalities for shits and giggles.

4) The author changes the setting for shits and giggles.

1: That's ot all fanfiction, just a group within fanfiction

2: Again, that's one group of fanfiction, not all fanfiction

3: See 1 and 2

4: I've seen several fanfictions that stay on the same setting, with the same personalities, and create a story that would fit into the fandom they are ficcing.

Like I said, the vast majority, not every last one. I'd say novels sucked if they all did s**t like that, but they don't.

Then, not all fanfiction sucks, which disproves your statement that fanfiction (all insinuated) sucks.

[Macai]

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Then, not all fanfiction sucks, which disproves your statement that fanfiction (all insinuated) sucks.

No, wrong. If fanfiction in general sucks, the average score of fanfiction is lower.

If you have nine 1 star movies and one 3 star movie, what is the average score? 1.2 stars.

Conclusion: fanfiction sucks

EDIT: I would like to further point out, once more, that this is a subjective discussion, not an objective one. If you don't want to address my criticisms, please find another thread.

[Heart of the Fallen Angel]

Macai

Heart of the Fallen Angel

Then, not all fanfiction sucks, which disproves your statement that fanfiction (all insinuated) sucks.

No, wrong. If fanfiction in general sucks, the average score of fanfiction is lower.

If you have nine 1 star movies and one 3 star movie, what is the average score? 1.2 stars.

Conclusion: fanfiction sucks

EDIT: I would like to further point out, once more, that this is a subjective discussion, not an objective one. If you don't want to address my criticisms, please find another thread.

I'd like to point out that generalizing a subject does not change that there can be good within it. For example, you say that the general score for fanfiction is low. Inversely, a good fanfic would get a higher score automatically by being good in a poor genre.

If a studio produce 10 movies, and the first 9 are incredibly crappy, but the 10th one is slightly above average, it will rate higher then it should because it came from a studio known for bad movies.