women stealing men's jobs

[oh god waht]

Lets discuss this as if it were one reason stripping down feminism has become kind of attractive to some.

Why's it hard to talk about? Like why do we ignore this as a a factor, while debating for or against feminism or what have you?

[SoullessSingularity]

Aren't people more concerned with illegal immigrants?

[Riviera de la Mancha]

I hate this kind of argument to be honest.

Sorry, but this is America, and capitalism is king. No one owes you a job, so, if capitalism is the bee's knees, no one can 'steal' a job.

[marshmallowcreampie]

Riviera de la Mancha

I hate this kind of argument to be honest.

Sorry, but this is America, and capitalism is king. No one owes you a job, so, if capitalism is the bee's knees, no one can 'steal' a job.

THANK YOU.

"Stealing a job" implies that the worker got said job in a dishonest way in a situation where another person would've otherwise been pretty much guaranteed the job. An employer will hire Person A over Person B for a number of reasons. Maybe Person A has more experience or education, or a better track record, or they're willing to work for less. But the employer is the one making the decision so there's no way Person A "stole" that job.

[oh god waht]

marshmallowcreampie

Riviera de la Mancha

I hate this kind of argument to be honest.

Sorry, but this is America, and capitalism is king. No one owes you a job, so, if capitalism is the bee's knees, no one can 'steal' a job.

THANK YOU.

"Stealing a job" implies that the worker got said job in a dishonest way in a situation where another person would've otherwise been pretty much guaranteed the job. An employer will hire Person A over Person B for a number of reasons. Maybe Person A has more experience or education, or a better track record, or they're willing to work for less. But the employer is the one making the decision so there's no way Person A "stole" that job.

you're taking it so literally. its only a matter of warped perceptions.

[Pro Life Nymph]

marshmallowcreampie

Riviera de la Mancha

I hate this kind of argument to be honest.

Sorry, but this is America, and capitalism is king. No one owes you a job, so, if capitalism is the bee's knees, no one can 'steal' a job.

THANK YOU.

"Stealing a job" implies that the worker got said job in a dishonest way in a situation where another person would've otherwise been pretty much guaranteed the job. An employer will hire Person A over Person B for a number of reasons. Maybe Person A has more experience or education, or a better track record, or they're willing to work for less. But the employer is the one making the decision so there's no way Person A "stole" that job.

This.

But I must add that there is also another case in which jobs are stolen. Illegal immigrants steal jobs simply because they are in this country illegally and are criminals.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

marshmallowcreampie

Riviera de la Mancha

I hate this kind of argument to be honest.

Sorry, but this is America, and capitalism is king. No one owes you a job, so, if capitalism is the bee's knees, no one can 'steal' a job.

THANK YOU.

"Stealing a job" implies that the worker got said job in a dishonest way in a situation where another person would've otherwise been pretty much guaranteed the job. An employer will hire Person A over Person B for a number of reasons. Maybe Person A has more experience or education, or a better track record, or they're willing to work for less. But the employer is the one making the decision so there's no way Person A "stole" that job.

For me its much more simple- you can only steal what someone owns. No one 'owns' a job in any serious sense of the word. If you cant own a job, then no one can steal it from you.

As its usually uber-capitalists or conservatives who hold these positions, I usually get to enjoy myself as I watch them try to come up with some way to be capitalists while defending the notion that people can own jobs and keep Marx out of their position.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Pro Life Nymph

marshmallowcreampie

Riviera de la Mancha

I hate this kind of argument to be honest.

Sorry, but this is America, and capitalism is king. No one owes you a job, so, if capitalism is the bee's knees, no one can 'steal' a job.

THANK YOU.

"Stealing a job" implies that the worker got said job in a dishonest way in a situation where another person would've otherwise been pretty much guaranteed the job. An employer will hire Person A over Person B for a number of reasons. Maybe Person A has more experience or education, or a better track record, or they're willing to work for less. But the employer is the one making the decision so there's no way Person A "stole" that job.

This.

But I must add that there is also another case in which jobs are stolen. Illegal immigrants steal jobs simply because they are in this country illegally and are criminals.

Are you agreeing that immigrants can steal jobs, or are you opposing this argument?

[marshmallowcreampie]

Riviera de la Mancha

For me its much more simple- you can only steal what someone owns. No one 'owns' a job in any serious sense of the word. If you cant own a job, then no one can steal it from you.

As its usually uber-capitalists or conservatives who hold these positions, I usually get to enjoy myself as I watch them try to come up with some way to be capitalists while defending the notion that people can own jobs and keep Marx out of their position.

Same here. It's hard for me to imagine a job as something you can steal. You don't own it, and your employer can lay you off or fire you anytime she wants.

[jason waterfalls]

how can americans turn against their own kind? its a conundrum if you ask me.

[dreamheartnz]

How does it matter what the gender of a person in any job is? Everyone needs money. If someone can do the job that needs to be done let them.

I consider myself feminist, in the sense that gender shouldn't matter, and people are equal in most ways (yes, there are some physical differences, I do understand that not every female could lift some huge thing, but in saying that neither could all men) - if someone wants to do something they should be able to. That goes both ways. If a "man" wants to do a "female's" job, AND is capable, ******** let them. If a woman wants to do something classed as a man's job, and is able to, LET THEM.

I don't see how this even matters? Like. What?

[Pro Life Nymph]

Riviera de la Mancha

Pro Life Nymph

marshmallowcreampie

Riviera de la Mancha

I hate this kind of argument to be honest.

Sorry, but this is America, and capitalism is king. No one owes you a job, so, if capitalism is the bee's knees, no one can 'steal' a job.

THANK YOU.

"Stealing a job" implies that the worker got said job in a dishonest way in a situation where another person would've otherwise been pretty much guaranteed the job. An employer will hire Person A over Person B for a number of reasons. Maybe Person A has more experience or education, or a better track record, or they're willing to work for less. But the employer is the one making the decision so there's no way Person A "stole" that job.

This.

But I must add that there is also another case in which jobs are stolen. Illegal immigrants steal jobs simply because they are in this country illegally and are criminals.

Are you agreeing that immigrants can steal jobs, or are you opposing this argument?

I was agreeing with your statement, and then adding that illegal immigrants (using dishonesty in the form of breaking the law by being here illegally) are in fact stealing jobs

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Pro Life Nymph

Riviera de la Mancha

Pro Life Nymph

marshmallowcreampie

Riviera de la Mancha

I hate this kind of argument to be honest.

Sorry, but this is America, and capitalism is king. No one owes you a job, so, if capitalism is the bee's knees, no one can 'steal' a job.

THANK YOU.

"Stealing a job" implies that the worker got said job in a dishonest way in a situation where another person would've otherwise been pretty much guaranteed the job. An employer will hire Person A over Person B for a number of reasons. Maybe Person A has more experience or education, or a better track record, or they're willing to work for less. But the employer is the one making the decision so there's no way Person A "stole" that job.

This.

But I must add that there is also another case in which jobs are stolen. Illegal immigrants steal jobs simply because they are in this country illegally and are criminals.

Are you agreeing that immigrants can steal jobs, or are you opposing this argument?

I was agreeing with your statement, and then adding that illegal immigrants (using dishonesty in the form of breaking the law by being here illegally) are in fact stealing jobs

I thought so. You are simply incorrect then.

Using 'deception' (assuming we agree with this assessment) does not make it theft- it makes it deception. Theft implies ownership. No one owns a job. Ergo, no one can steal a job, even if in the employment process deception is used. It simply makes it deception.

[Le Pere Duchesne]

@OP
That argument isn't ignored so much among conservatives, however now most people agree (conservatives, liberals, and those on the left) that it simply won't happen. Women simply won't be forced back into the kitchen, they say. I disagree with this, and think that it is entirely possible that it can happen. I don't think it will happen soon, though, for a simple reason: having women in the work force available for all jobs means that there is a larger supply of labour, and this can be used to force wages down. Formerly there were high wages based on the idea that the man was the bread-winner, introducing women to the workforce on a permanent basis means that there are two people supplying food for the next generation of workers, so bosses can reduce wages, and point to the now larger group of unemployed made up of both sexes.

The thing to remember is that employers, as individuals, don't want high employment. They may need it to sell their goods, but they don't want it because they want lower wages, and saying "I can hire any one of those unemployed wretches" is a great tool for labour discipline.

I said above that I don't think it will happen for that reason, but it may for exactly the same reason: if unemployment gets high enough that there is a social threat to private property in the form of the remaining workers leading a revolt of the employed and unemployed workers to take over and give everyone work, then we will also see women increasingly in domestic care situations, as often happens right now when unemployed for a while. That will become more socially acceptable, and along with it the notion of 'a woman's place is in the home' will become more acceptable. This may then be seized upon to rip apart what remains of women's rights so that more men can be employed in what dwindling economy remains. If this happened, we would likely see an offensive against gay rights as well (what use is it, if gay men have both partners working, while gay women are both deprived of work).

However I dont see that happening in the foreseeable future (which, given the current economic situation, is about 6 months)...