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As a woman I have no desire for more 'balls'.

If men were more assertive and dominant in a relationship, that might be appreciated. Balls however, are disgusting.


Semantics are less funny when the OP explains what he actually meant in the first sentence.
Requiem of the Exodus
By balls I meant more domineering or assertive then they are.


No.

Requiem of the Exodus

Discuss:
Is submission a feminine attribute?
Do women want more domineering or assertive men?
How did the Feminist Movement change gender roles in America? The world?


1) By social belief, probably. By verifiable evidence intrinsically linking it to the female body, the jury is still out. Partly because that social belief screws with our ability to properly test things.

2) This will vary. What I want, is more men who can understand that the "lovers or strangers" dichotomy is bullshit.

3) It got us thinking about them, instead of just accepting them as given, and it's worn down the edges and hard lines a bit.
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I think it would be kinda difficult given that separatism is the natural progression for misandry.


How so? Is domination insufficient?

Domination is hard to maintain.


And yet males have maintained it over females for centuries. And that doesn't matter to a whether a person takes the position of domination or separatism.

And now they don't.


Debatable.

Sure, it's less overt and less consistent. But overall, it seems men still take the dominant position. (Note, I'm speaking of the overall situation, not individual cases.)
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I'm not sure there have been studies done to provide a cross-section of radical feminism and just what percentage of those radical feminists are lesbians.

I think it'd be pretty hard to be a separatist (one who cuts off all ties with men) if you weren't a misandrist and extremist. Being a lesbian probably doesn't hurt either.


But it is not hard to be a misandrist and an extremist without being a separatist which is why your source is not all that useful.

So you are supporting a stereotype with no evidence as to its validity?

Define "hard".


Difficult.

I think it would be kinda difficult given that separatism is the natural progression for misandry.


I've been accused of being a misandrist before, in spite of (and on some occasions because of) my opposition to the concept of seperatism. Can you explain that?
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Please, please refrain from multi posting. It's easy enough to quote more than one person, or just split your post up by putting "@ Someperson:"
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Please, please refrain from multi posting. It's easy enough to quote more than one person, or just split your post up by putting "@ Someperson:"


I usually do something like that, though I've been less consistent lately. Also, if I'm going to respond to the OP I give that one a seperate post; and if there's distinct 'tangents' I try to group those together.

This time was an inconsistency. I changed my mind about whether or not I was going to respond to something after having already submitted a previous response.
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Please, please refrain from multi posting. It's easy enough to quote more than one person, or just split your post up by putting "@ Someperson:"


I usually do something like that, though I've been less consistent lately. Also, if I'm going to respond to the OP I give that one a seperate post; and if there's distinct 'tangents' I try to group those together.

This time was an inconsistency. I changed my mind about whether or not I was going to respond to something after having already submitted a previous response.


Makes sense, I just wanted to say something incase it was about to get out of hand.
Is submission a feminine attribute?
I suppose that is a fair interpretation, as nature tends to hold this trait for the female sex.

Do women want more domineering or assertive men?
I cant speak to the female perspective, as I am not a girl, but I can say that, as a man, I like a woman who has a certain degree of personal autonomy from me and is willing to challenge me and my ideas.

How did the Feminist Movement change gender roles in America? The world?
I think that, if anything, the work of feminism has been to demonstrate to women, and to the world, the fluidity of gender roles in many regards, and to show that none of us ever was entirely 'masculine' or 'feminine'.
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Requiem of the Exodus
By balls I meant more domineering or assertive then they are. I talked to someone whose thinks men in his generation (mid-forties) are too submissive ( to him: a feminine characteristic) to the women they have personal (romantic) relationships with. He's a nurse and he hears the women he works with (the single ones) talk about how they wish their men were more domineering or assertive then they are. (I do not consider this an accurate sample of the female population).

He thinks that the Feminist movement was where it started. Because from that women "evolved" and became more assertive and controlling. When men became submissive and "devolved" to the new attitude. He also thinks that the media promoted this with sic-coms where the dad plays the idiot and mom runs the family.

So I wanted to ask the ED what they thought of this. I know it's meant for older people, but I figured there might be some interesting takes on this.
Of course both genders are allowed to post here, but I'm more interested on the opinions of women.

Discuss:
Is submission a feminine attribute?
Do women want more domineering or assertive men?
How did the Feminist Movement change gender roles in America? The world?


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