Why do you/don't you want children?

[Sid Chastity]

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Sid Chastity

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GunsmithKitten

Don't want children.

-My bad temper is far too short to deal with them. I barely have enough to deal with adults.
-I like my disposable income and free time.

I always find that second statement roundly disturbing; that money and time is more valuable than a human connection.

Why is it disturbing? I value my time and my wealth for myself. Why is it wrong to not share it with a child? It's not like people don't have human connections at all. There are friends and family.

I should think that the sheer fact that your argument boils down to, "What's wrong with wanting money and time for sheer greed?" would make it clear enough...

However, I realize I live in the age or subjectivism, so it must be articulated I suppose. Greed, or entire self-regard over the other, is contrary to human good, and thus, ought rightly be avoided. So, if the point one presents for not wanting a child is because they are greedy, it disturbs me in so far as this seems to say that greed is a legitimate excuse not to do something, when we dont tolerate it for other matters of duty, like say paying taxes to the state.

Ah, I see what your point was. It doesn't make much sense when you put it like that, does it? Although some people don't pay their taxes anyway, but that's another issue. I think, though, that this is an instance when it's okay to be greedy. Especially since it's such a huge, live changing thing. Whether it's rational or not, I want to be greedy with this. I want to be able to keep my time and wealth. There is just no incentive for me not to be greedy. If I don't pay my taxes I go to jail, but if I don't have a child...well, nothing happens. I just don't have a child. I don't know if I'm making much sense here buddy.

[Bananas Are Grapes]

The Last Reminisce

EmotionallyInconsistent

Why?

1- I fear childbirth.
2- I don't want to hurt children the way my father did me and my sisters.
3- I don't have the time or money to invest in a child.

Good enough? neutral

Then kill yourself.
That's not a reason.

What ?
Sounds like a good reason to me, and probably anyone who uses common sense.
"Kill yourself" you know how ******** dumb that sounds? Nevermind imcompassionate.

[GunsmithKitten]

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However, I realize I live in the age or subjectivism, so it must be articulated I suppose. Greed, or entire self-regard over the other, is contrary to human good, and thus, ought rightly be avoided. So, if the point one presents for not wanting a child is because they are greedy, it disturbs me in so far as this seems to say that greed is a legitimate excuse not to do something, when we dont tolerate it for other matters of duty, like say paying taxes to the state.

Because paying taxes has a more durable and reliable return.

[The Last Reminisce]

Bananas Are Grapes

The Last Reminisce

EmotionallyInconsistent

Why?

1- I fear childbirth.
2- I don't want to hurt children the way my father did me and my sisters.
3- I don't have the time or money to invest in a child.

Good enough? neutral

Then kill yourself.
That's not a reason.

What ?
Sounds like a good reason to me, and probably anyone who uses common sense.
"Kill yourself" you know how ******** dumb that sounds? Nevermind imcompassionate.

You don't use common sense. You're speaking with your p***s.

[Bananas Are Grapes]

The Last Reminisce

Bananas Are Grapes

The Last Reminisce

EmotionallyInconsistent

Why?

1- I fear childbirth.
2- I don't want to hurt children the way my father did me and my sisters.
3- I don't have the time or money to invest in a child.

Good enough? neutral

Then kill yourself.
That's not a reason.

What ?
Sounds like a good reason to me, and probably anyone who uses common sense.
"Kill yourself" you know how ******** dumb that sounds? Nevermind in - compassionate.

You don't use common sense. You're speaking with your p***s.

Absolutely. The non existent p***s I have.

[The Last Reminisce]

Bananas Are Grapes

The Last Reminisce

Bananas Are Grapes

The Last Reminisce

EmotionallyInconsistent

Why?

1- I fear childbirth.
2- I don't want to hurt children the way my father did me and my sisters.
3- I don't have the time or money to invest in a child.

Good enough? neutral

Then kill yourself.
That's not a reason.

What ?
Sounds like a good reason to me, and probably anyone who uses common sense.
"Kill yourself" you know how ******** dumb that sounds? Nevermind in - compassionate.

You don't use common sense. You're speaking with your p***s.

Absolutely. The non existent p***s I have.

Oh, you don't have one?
Childhood must of been a b***h.

[Bananas Are Grapes]

GunsmithKitten

Because paying taxes has a more durable and reliable return.

You just like digging your grave, don't you ?

[The_Broken_Angel_Of_Time]

No kiddies for me.
1. Childbirth doesn't appeal to me in any way, shape or form.
2. I would be an awful parent and end up murdering my childern because they aren't perfect.
3. If I had a male child, I would force him to become gay for my own personal entertainment.
4. I'm mental, as you could tell.

[Bananas Are Grapes]

The Last Reminisce

Bananas Are Grapes

The Last Reminisce

Bananas Are Grapes

The Last Reminisce

EmotionallyInconsistent

Why?

1- I fear childbirth.
2- I don't want to hurt children the way my father did me and my sisters.
3- I don't have the time or money to invest in a child.

Good enough? neutral

Then kill yourself.
That's not a reason.

What ?
Sounds like a good reason to me, and probably anyone who uses common sense.
"Kill yourself" you know how ******** dumb that sounds? Nevermind in - compassionate.

You don't use common sense. You're speaking with your p***s.

Absolutely. The non existent p***s I have.

Oh, you don't have one?
Childhood must of been a b***h.

Or you're too troublesome to get a clue ? 4laugh

[The Last Reminisce]

Bananas Are Grapes

The Last Reminisce

Bananas Are Grapes

The Last Reminisce

Bananas Are Grapes

What ?
Sounds like a good reason to me, and probably anyone who uses common sense.
"Kill yourself" you know how ******** dumb that sounds? Nevermind in - compassionate.

You don't use common sense. You're speaking with your p***s.

Absolutely. The non existent p***s I have.

Oh, you don't have one?
Childhood must of been a b***h.

Or you're too troublesome to get a clue ? 4laugh

You're a shitty mule. Get out of my forum...

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Sid Chastity

I don't have kids period. I'll be around 28 by the time I finish my PhD and afterwards I have a long career path. I want to be a professor but it's such a difficult field to get into. I don't have the time for a child, not to mention I'm very bad at taking care of living things. This is why I don't have a pet. Nor do I want to be responsible for another person's life. It's too much for me to handle. I'd be too stressed out. I also feel children limit my freedom. I have to consider a child every time I make major decisions instead of just taking myself into consideration.

I have known many professors with kids. Its not impossible.

I should think we all bare some responsibility for another person's life as an unavoidable element of living in a community. To what extent is this unnerving for you?

I also find that we rarely make decisions, if we take them seriously, with a pure view to what I think of it. We all seek counsel from others and consider other views.

I dont know why people dont admit as you already did, both explicitly and tacitly, that they just dont have or think they will have the skill to be good parents and leave it at that. That is a huge reason for me, at least for now, to be without a child. I know that I would just be ineffective as a parent, both in the sense of providing necessities (i.e. food, shelter, clothing, etc.) and in being the type of father I want to be (one who is supportive, able to give them what they earn, etc.), until later in life.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

GunsmithKitten

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However, I realize I live in the age or subjectivism, so it must be articulated I suppose. Greed, or entire self-regard over the other, is contrary to human good, and thus, ought rightly be avoided. So, if the point one presents for not wanting a child is because they are greedy, it disturbs me in so far as this seems to say that greed is a legitimate excuse not to do something, when we dont tolerate it for other matters of duty, like say paying taxes to the state.

Because paying taxes has a more durable and reliable return.

Highly subjective defense.

I dont know about you, but I dont see my tax dollars going to something like public education to be giving back all that great a return. This also ignores the fact that many taxes, like those that establish water or electricity, are not done with a view to receiving a reliable return.

[Sid Chastity]

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Sid Chastity

I don't have kids period. I'll be around 28 by the time I finish my PhD and afterwards I have a long career path. I want to be a professor but it's such a difficult field to get into. I don't have the time for a child, not to mention I'm very bad at taking care of living things. This is why I don't have a pet. Nor do I want to be responsible for another person's life. It's too much for me to handle. I'd be too stressed out. I also feel children limit my freedom. I have to consider a child every time I make major decisions instead of just taking myself into consideration.

I have known many professors with kids. Its not impossible.

I should think we all bare some responsibility for another person's life as an unavoidable element of living in a community. To what extent is this unnerving for you?

I also find that we rarely make decisions, if we take them seriously, with a pure view to what I think of it. We all seek counsel from others and consider other views.

I dont know why people dont admit as you already did, both explicitly and tacitly, that they just dont have or think they will have the skill to be good parents and leave it at that. That is a huge reason for me, at least for now, to be without a child. I know that I would just be ineffective as a parent, both in the sense of providing necessities (i.e. food, shelter, clothing, etc.) and in being the type of father I want to be (one who is supportive, able to give them what they earn, etc.), until later in life.

Well, you have to put off starting a family. At least that's what my professors did. When you're starting out it's too time consuming for you to have a career and family to take care of. But it's different taking care of someone else than a person that came out of me. Because I created that person. I'd feel I failed somehow if that person turned out unhappy. It's irrational, I know, because that person is responsible for their own choices, but I'd also feel responsible for that child's failures. I took care of my sister since she was a child, but I don't feel responsible for how she turns out. We're both adults and therefore her choices are her own. But for someone that was my child, I'd feel their failure was also my failure and I'd feel terrible for not doing a better job of making sure they led a happy life. There is also the fact I don't want to have sex or give birth. But I think the responsibility scares me more. I think I get overwhelmed too easily and I feel a child is too much for me to handle.

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Sid Chastity

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Sid Chastity

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GunsmithKitten

Don't want children.

-My bad temper is far too short to deal with them. I barely have enough to deal with adults.
-I like my disposable income and free time.

I always find that second statement roundly disturbing; that money and time is more valuable than a human connection.

Why is it disturbing? I value my time and my wealth for myself. Why is it wrong to not share it with a child? It's not like people don't have human connections at all. There are friends and family.

I should think that the sheer fact that your argument boils down to, "What's wrong with wanting money and time for sheer greed?" would make it clear enough...

However, I realize I live in the age or subjectivism, so it must be articulated I suppose. Greed, or entire self-regard over the other, is contrary to human good, and thus, ought rightly be avoided. So, if the point one presents for not wanting a child is because they are greedy, it disturbs me in so far as this seems to say that greed is a legitimate excuse not to do something, when we dont tolerate it for other matters of duty, like say paying taxes to the state.

Ah, I see what your point was. It doesn't make much sense when you put it like that, does it? Although some people don't pay their taxes anyway, but that's another issue. I think, though, that this is an instance when it's okay to be greedy. Especially since it's such a huge, live changing thing. Whether it's rational or not, I want to be greedy with this. I want to be able to keep my time and wealth. There is just no incentive for me not to be greedy. If I don't pay my taxes I go to jail, but if I don't have a child...well, nothing happens. I just don't have a child. I don't know if I'm making much sense here buddy.

Why though? Taxation is a rather large effect as well; I shudder to think how much money I would save if it were permissible to line-item my taxes to only those things I want to pay to, and how much these extra funds would mean in a lifetime.

I would say there is an incentive not to be greedy. Its called being rational and knowing where your heart truly lies. For some, I can see that that does not include children, and I praise those who see this and act upon it. Rather, I would like to see people do so for the right reasons, not out of greed.

I wish more people in the world would take an honest look at their lives and their humanity for all of these choices. I think if this is done, then we are a stronger community for it, as this will produce both people who see and know they are good parents and keep people who know they wont be good at it from getting into the business.

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Sid Chastity

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Sid Chastity

I don't have kids period. I'll be around 28 by the time I finish my PhD and afterwards I have a long career path. I want to be a professor but it's such a difficult field to get into. I don't have the time for a child, not to mention I'm very bad at taking care of living things. This is why I don't have a pet. Nor do I want to be responsible for another person's life. It's too much for me to handle. I'd be too stressed out. I also feel children limit my freedom. I have to consider a child every time I make major decisions instead of just taking myself into consideration.

I have known many professors with kids. Its not impossible.

I should think we all bare some responsibility for another person's life as an unavoidable element of living in a community. To what extent is this unnerving for you?

I also find that we rarely make decisions, if we take them seriously, with a pure view to what I think of it. We all seek counsel from others and consider other views.

I dont know why people dont admit as you already did, both explicitly and tacitly, that they just dont have or think they will have the skill to be good parents and leave it at that. That is a huge reason for me, at least for now, to be without a child. I know that I would just be ineffective as a parent, both in the sense of providing necessities (i.e. food, shelter, clothing, etc.) and in being the type of father I want to be (one who is supportive, able to give them what they earn, etc.), until later in life.

Well, you have to put off starting a family. At least that's what my professors did. When you're starting out it's too time consuming for you to have a career and family to take care of. But it's different taking care of someone else than a person that came out of me. Because I created that person. I'd feel I failed somehow if that person turned out unhappy. It's irrational, I know, because that person is responsible for their own choices, but I'd also feel responsible for that child's failures. I took care of my sister since she was a child, but I don't feel responsible for how she turns out. We're both adults and therefore her choices are her own. But for someone that was my child, I'd feel their failure was also my failure and I'd feel terrible for not doing a better job of making sure they led a happy life. There is also the fact I don't want to have sex or give birth. But I think the responsibility scares me more. I think I get overwhelmed too easily and I feel a child is too much for me to handle.

Its not irrational; its called being a good person. If you have a true connection with a friend, the same result elicits.

Its not a bad thing, and its something, if people want a true relationship, that has to be accepted. As an essential element, it makes no sense to say that this can serve as a reason not to have a child.

I find that your other points were much more convincing; you are smart enough to know that you dont have the view to be a good parent, and dont want to get into the parent field knowing that you wont do well after careful thought and reason.