Why do you/don't you want children?

[Sid Chastity]

Riviera de la Mancha

GunsmithKitten

Don't want children.

-My bad temper is far too short to deal with them. I barely have enough to deal with adults.
-I like my disposable income and free time.

I always find that second statement roundly disturbing; that money and time is more valuable than a human connection.

Why is it disturbing? I value my time and my wealth for myself. Why is it wrong to not share it with a child? It's not like people don't have human connections at all. There are friends and family.

[Bananas Are Grapes]

GunsmithKitten

Riviera de la Mancha

GunsmithKitten

Don't want children.

-My bad temper is far too short to deal with them. I barely have enough to deal with adults.
-I like my disposable income and free time.

I always find that second statement roundly disturbing; that money and time is more valuable than a human connection.

No, it's more valuable than a gamble on a human being who may or may not be worth it.
I don't intend to spend 100 grand to get a kid to 18 only to have them end up on Maury Povich bragging about their pregnancy, how I'm a bithc, and how it's their hot body they'll do wut they wan'.

This is really sad, honestly.
Riviera de la Mancha is correct, you're lying behind your teeth, you just want time to yourself and value money more, which is fine, but don't try to hide it behind a reasoning that makes you look pathetic.

[GunsmithKitten]

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That is the sort of 'gamble' we all must make in all human interaction. If this be an issue, then I have to ask how you have friends or even a family at all.

I have a small circle of friends and I'm estranged from most of my family, which is fine, as most of my family wants nothing to do with me thanks to my sexuality.

here's the difference. I'm not legally obligated to care for friends and family if I can't stand their presence or they can't stand me. I abandon a kid, and guess what, social services is on my hide with the criminal charges impending.

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As I said, it always disturbs me when one chooses money and time over dealing with an essential element, the chief desires of the heart.

So how often have you seen those chief desires fo the heart go very, VERY badly?

[Bananas Are Grapes]

Sid Chastity

Riviera de la Mancha

GunsmithKitten

Don't want children.

-My bad temper is far too short to deal with them. I barely have enough to deal with adults.
-I like my disposable income and free time.

I always find that second statement roundly disturbing; that money and time is more valuable than a human connection.

Why is it disturbing? I value my time and my wealth for myself. Why is it wrong to not share it with a child? It's not like people don't have human connections at all. There are friends and family.

I think you missed his point.

[GunsmithKitten]

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Riviera de la Mancha is correct, you're lying behind your teeth, you just want time to yourself and value money more, which is fine, but don't try to hide it behind a reasoning that makes you pathetic.

Who said I was lying about my temper problem?

[cheetahtmss]

I want kids, but other than just the maternal urge of wanting to know I did something that great, I don't know why. I want to have two kids, maybe three. I want to give birth to at least one of them, and consider adopting.

[Bananas Are Grapes]

I like children very much, but I don't think it's for me, seeing how I'm very negative about the future.

[Sid Chastity]

Bananas Are Grapes

Sid Chastity

Riviera de la Mancha

GunsmithKitten

Don't want children.

-My bad temper is far too short to deal with them. I barely have enough to deal with adults.
-I like my disposable income and free time.

I always find that second statement roundly disturbing; that money and time is more valuable than a human connection.

Why is it disturbing? I value my time and my wealth for myself. Why is it wrong to not share it with a child? It's not like people don't have human connections at all. There are friends and family.

I think you missed his point.

Then what was the point?

[Bananas Are Grapes]

GunsmithKitten

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Riviera de la Mancha is correct, you're lying behind your teeth, you just want time to yourself and value money more, which is fine, but don't try to hide it behind a reasoning that makes you pathetic.

Who said I was lying about my temper problem?

That wasn't what I was talking about, I was addressing your Maury Povich comment.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Sid Chastity

Riviera de la Mancha

GunsmithKitten

Don't want children.

-My bad temper is far too short to deal with them. I barely have enough to deal with adults.
-I like my disposable income and free time.

I always find that second statement roundly disturbing; that money and time is more valuable than a human connection.

Why is it disturbing? I value my time and my wealth for myself. Why is it wrong to not share it with a child? It's not like people don't have human connections at all. There are friends and family.

I should think that the sheer fact that your argument boils down to, "What's wrong with wanting money and time for sheer greed?" would make it clear enough...

However, I realize I live in the age or subjectivism, so it must be articulated I suppose. Greed, or entire self-regard over the other, is contrary to human good, and thus, ought rightly be avoided. So, if the point one presents for not wanting a child is because they are greedy, it disturbs me in so far as this seems to say that greed is a legitimate excuse not to do something, when we dont tolerate it for other matters of duty, like say paying taxes to the state.

[Sid Chastity]

I don't have kids period. I'll be around 28 by the time I finish my PhD and afterwards I have a long career path. I want to be a professor but it's such a difficult field to get into. I don't have the time for a child, not to mention I'm very bad at taking care of living things. This is why I don't have a pet. Nor do I want to be responsible for another person's life. It's too much for me to handle. I'd be too stressed out. I also feel children limit my freedom. I have to consider a child every time I make major decisions instead of just taking myself into consideration.

[EmotionallyInconsistent]

Why?

1- I fear childbirth.
2- I don't want to hurt children the way my father did me and my sisters.
3- I don't have the time or money to invest in a child.

Good enough? neutral

[Bananas Are Grapes]

Sid Chastity

Bananas Are Grapes

Sid Chastity

Riviera de la Mancha

GunsmithKitten

Don't want children.

-My bad temper is far too short to deal with them. I barely have enough to deal with adults.
-I like my disposable income and free time.

I always find that second statement roundly disturbing; that money and time is more valuable than a human connection.

Why is it disturbing? I value my time and my wealth for myself. Why is it wrong to not share it with a child? It's not like people don't have human connections at all. There are friends and family.

I think you missed his point.

Then what was the point?

From what I understand, he was more stating how he finds it disturbing that materialism is becoming something more than materialism.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

GunsmithKitten

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That is the sort of 'gamble' we all must make in all human interaction. If this be an issue, then I have to ask how you have friends or even a family at all.

I have a small circle of friends and I'm estranged from most of my family, which is fine, as most of my family wants nothing to do with me thanks to my sexuality.

here's the difference. I'm not legally obligated to care for friends and family if I can't stand their presence or they can't stand me. I abandon a kid, and guess what, social services is on my hide with the criminal charges impending.

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As I said, it always disturbs me when one chooses money and time over dealing with an essential element, the chief desires of the heart.

So how often have you seen those chief desires fo the heart go very, VERY badly?

So now you dont want children just for the fact that you fear punishment? I should think that such simplistic motivations would be insulting to yourself; I know I would feel ashamed if the reason that I did not do something was because I feared the rod, like a dog. Not to say you are one, but rather as an illustration of the mentality you seem to convey to me. I do not intend to offend you with that example.

A few times, but that has no bearing on the fact that we as humans must do them. I have seen people get killed walking across the street, but it is not reasonable or practical to say that I will never cross a street because of this.