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When does opinion become an invasion? 

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Amano Yoshi
Asking for proof on things that are just like asking if one needs air to breath

Well, it is always possible that the we breath air is an illusion.

Amano Yoshi
makes you sound like a nay-sayer.

And? Your point is? If you are going to make unsupported claims about people having the right to an opinion and to live there life the way they want, then I'm all to happy to be a nay-sayer.

Amano Yoshi
People have the right to an opinion if they're alive. If you dispute that fact then I'm not going to argue with you on it. I don't feel the need to argue it based on my own experiences and honestly feel I'd debase mankind as a whole for doing so.

Well, people have the ability to perform opinions if they are alive. That does not equate to a right, at least in the normal sense of the term.

So you admit that these rights you say that all humans have are just your opinion and have no backing outside your opinion or those who agree with you?



Amano Yoshi
Killing other people certainly does stand in the way of people living their lives in the way they see fit as it instantly removes the rights of other people, ergo logically isn't a valid counter to my questions or arguments.

Ah, but you see, by saying that I can't kill people you are taking my right away to live my life the way I see fit. Your position as it currently stands is contradictory.

Amano Yoshi
If you really do want other people to have the same opinions as yourself then in my opinion you are taking things too far.

Why? I'd rather not have people stealing my property thank you.


I am not being contradictory in the slightest. To take away someone else's rights that I have already assigned to them such as LIVING the way they see fit negates your argument.

You are certainly a nay-sayer. You ask me to prove if someone has a right to an opinion... Prove that you are real. You can't be serious.

If you want to actually have a debate that you can stand on, then I'd be happy to continue our discussion.
 
     
 
Do you believe that there are people who wish to make their opinion yours?
Yes.

What do you think the drive behind this desire comes from?
Depends. Most of it I would think comes from an honest desire for the good of life.

When do you get to stand up and say, “Enough?”
Whenever you want; no one forces you to listen to an opinion. Though, you might need to forgo things like being reasonable.

Further, how do you protect your opinions and your own way of life?
Faith.

Where are the border lines that begin to pierce your opinion bubble?
When someone stops and refuses to address my opinion.


There certainly are healthy ways to express one’s opinions. I feel hearing the opinions of others allows me to grow as a person and form my own even further now that I have another perspective and life experience in knowing you for your opinion. Do you agree with this?
Yes.

A final question: How do you know if your opinions might be wrong?
Compare them to life and to my destiny.
     
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The point where an opinion becomes an invasion is when you form an opinion. [[ There is no such thing as a non-invasive opinion. ]]

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A final question: How do you know if your opinions might be wrong?
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Amano Yoshi
I am not being contradictory in the slightest. To take away someone else's rights that I have already assigned to them such as LIVING the way they see fit negates your argument.

No, it is contradictory, at least how you originally stated it. You simply stated that everyone has the right to live how they see fit. That position will just about always be contradictory as how different people want to do thing which will conflict with each other. As you currently state it, this right to life that you base from people being able to live they way they want means that anyone who wants to kill(generally speaking) other humans cannot live their live in the manner in which they want to(for them wanting to kill other humans in no way make them dead. They are living beings having an opinion about what they want to do), making the original statement, that they can live their live as they see fit, false. This means it is contradictory.

To derive the right to life from the idea that every human has the right to live how they want will generally always result in such a contradiction; the only way to avoid it would be if humans never had the desire to kill another human.

The view that you are actually trying to put forward is: everyone has the right to do what they want provided that they don't infringe on another's rights. This position is fine logically, in terms of being consistent with its self, provided that you have other rights previously defined. Of course you will not be able to derive the right to life from people having the right to do what they want as it will result in a contradiction. And of course if you do take such a postion, I am still going to ask you to prove it.


Amano Yoshi
You are certainly a nay-sayer. You ask me to prove if someone has a right to an opinion... Prove that you are real. You can't be serious.

I am deadly serious.

Whether or not I can prove that I am real has no bearing relevance to this argument whatsoever. This is an argument about the accuracy or your claims. I don't normally address such ridiculous red herrings, but this one actually has relevance to my point, so I will make an exception. The concept you put forward in the above section is precisely the one I'm arguing: that it is impossible to prove whether or not we have the rights you suggest either way.


Amano Yoshi
If you want to actually have a debate that you can stand on, then I'd be happy to continue our discussion.

Says the one who has provided nothing for his position to stand on. Care to show how my logic is flawed? And no, providing the assumptions that you make about existence(or our possibly illusionary existence) do not qualify.
 
 
 
 
     
 
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Opinions become invasive when you force them on someone. Everyone has the right to their own opinion.
     
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I don't give a s**t whether or not my opinions are wrong.
 
     

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The point where an opinion becomes an invasion is when you form an opinion. [[ There is no such thing as a non-invasive opinion. ]]

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A final question: How do you know if your opinions might be wrong?
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I don't give a s**t whether or not my opinions are wrong.

What he said.

Environmentally "Invasive" opinions are the most inevitable ones. Like on a billboard- they have pictures that invoke empathy/ fear or use some other tactic. The captions are normally short and sweet- by the time you start reading it you've received the entire message. Woops.

However anything you don't agree with will likely provoke you in some way or another.

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There is no such thing as a non-invasive opinion.
 
     
 
Yes there are people who wish to widely spread there opinions so that they become beliefs. I think this drive comes from one's over-assurance of their opinion. Because they're so sure that there's no possible deviation or alternative to their opinion they believe that their opinion is a fact and they wish for others to know (what they believe to be) the truth. I protect my opinions and way of life by not talking about them unless asked to do so, and I may alter mine depending on how sensible another's opinion seems compared to my opinion. With that said I do agree that hearing others' opinions can help one mature their own.

I believe that everyone's opinions might be wrong because they're just that, opinions. An opinion is something that one believes to be the most sensible form of reality but they do so without any form of proof because the proof required is close enough to being non-existant.
     

iMystere
I think it becomes an invasion when you force it on others. I'm allowed to believe as I wish, and even debate it, but when you sit there and try and tell someone they're wrong and you're right, it's an invasion.

This is utter bullshit and the poster is wrong.

See what I did? That was not an invasion, but a statement of opinion. If I were to say "not only is the poster wrong, but it is utterly absurd to hold such beliefs, and people should be punished for it"
then I would be advocating an 'invasion,' or more properly, I would be advocating that people be forced to live according to my opinions, i.e., I would be advocating forcing my opinions on people. If I had the means, legal or not, through force or social pressure, to actually accomplish it... then I would be forcing my views on them.

So: you have your opinions, and I have mine. As long as I am not preventing you from expressing yours, or forcing you to live according to mine... then I am not 'forcing my opinion on you.' I f you complain about that, then you are essentially saying that I have no right to try and convince people to act according to my views. And such is forcing your opinion on someone else.
 
     
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