What's Wrong With Obama's Health Care Plan?

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Foxie-Sama

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Tobias_London

Isn't this a failure to pay taxes?

Yes, at the end, it all comes down to failure to pay taxes.

At the start, it's adding tax penalties if you fail to hold, at any point during the taxable year, acceptable health insurance.

Massachusetts did something similar a few years back. I remember scrambling at the end of the year to find some sort of affordable state-option for health insurance or else I wouldn't get all of my tax return for the year. I thought it was complete bullshit personally.

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Foxie-Sama

Now that she is retired and on social security they are charging premiums on her social security for her Medicare!

That's not a problem with Medicare, that's a problem with Social Security.

Social Security was fine, but the government started dipping into it. So what is to prevent the government from dipping into the premiums they will collect from the "public health care" product? Answer? Nothing. Its just the government's way of taking more of or money to line their pockets with promises that "everything will be ponies and rainbows! (but not the gay kind, because gays are evil!) [for the record, I am very pro-gay rights]


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Foxie-Sama

Now that she is retired and on social security they are charging premiums on her social security for her Medicare!

That's not a problem with Medicare, that's a problem with Social Security.

Social Security was fine, but the government started dipping into it. So what is to prevent the government from dipping into the premiums they will collect from the "public health care" product? Answer? Nothing. Its just the government's way of taking more of or money to line their pockets with promises that "everything will be ponies and rainbows! (but not the gay kind, because gays are evil!) [for the record, I am very pro-gay rights]


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Slippery slope.

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the same problem as with countries that have free health care, wait lists.

how ever i'd like to see how america does with it...

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Foxie-Sama

Now that she is retired and on social security they are charging premiums on her social security for her Medicare!

That's not a problem with Medicare, that's a problem with Social Security.

Social Security was fine, but the government started dipping into it. So what is to prevent the government from dipping into the premiums they will collect from the "public health care" product? Answer? Nothing. Its just the government's way of taking more of or money to line their pockets with promises that "everything will be ponies and rainbows! (but not the gay kind, because gays are evil!) [for the record, I am very pro-gay rights]


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Slippery slope.

How is it a "slippery slope"? They already HAVE done it with one thing, so answer me what is to prevent them from doing it again?

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xsv.ninja

the same problem as with countries that have free health care, wait lists.

how ever i'd like to see how america does with it...

I have a friend in Canada. He has a heart condition. But he didn't always know that. He got light headed and went to the hospital. He was in and out in a couple hours.

Every time I've been to the ER I sat and waited 5-10 hours before I even got to see a doctor.

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Foxie-Sama

Now that she is retired and on social security they are charging premiums on her social security for her Medicare!

That's not a problem with Medicare, that's a problem with Social Security.

Social Security was fine, but the government started dipping into it. So what is to prevent the government from dipping into the premiums they will collect from the "public health care" product? Answer? Nothing. Its just the government's way of taking more of or money to line their pockets with promises that "everything will be ponies and rainbows! (but not the gay kind, because gays are evil!) [for the record, I am very pro-gay rights]


THE CAKE IS A LIE

Slippery slope.

How is it a "slippery slope"? They already HAVE done it with one thing, so answer me what is to prevent them from doing it again?

Do you know what a slippery slope means?

"They did it before, that means they'll DEFINITELY do it with this other thing too."

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Tobias_London

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Tobias_London

Isn't this a failure to pay taxes?

Yes, at the end, it all comes down to failure to pay taxes.

At the start, it's adding tax penalties if you fail to hold, at any point during the taxable year, acceptable health insurance.

Massachusetts did something similar a few years back. I remember scrambling at the end of the year to find some sort of affordable state-option for health insurance or else I wouldn't get all of my tax return for the year. I thought it was complete bullshit personally.

Failure to pay taxes has always been punishable by law.
So why is this any worse?
I'm kinda confused on which side you're taking on the issue.

We're talking about additional taxes that would be imposed if you don't have health insurance for the entire year's time. Extra taxes if you remain uninsured, if you don't choose the Public Option.

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Foxie-Sama

Now that she is retired and on social security they are charging premiums on her social security for her Medicare!

That's not a problem with Medicare, that's a problem with Social Security.

Social Security was fine, but the government started dipping into it. So what is to prevent the government from dipping into the premiums they will collect from the "public health care" product? Answer? Nothing. Its just the government's way of taking more of or money to line their pockets with promises that "everything will be ponies and rainbows! (but not the gay kind, because gays are evil!) [for the record, I am very pro-gay rights]


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Slippery slope.

She is right you know. Plus in my opinion the Government shouldn't be messing with that stuff cause as you can see we can't trust the government to NOT spend money they shouldn't. Rather then have them ******** it all up they should just fix the laws with health insurance right now. So they can't pull of this bull s**t run around. Since that would do more good then giving them money to ******** our health care up. I don't want to wait 6 years to get a ******** liver transplant when even now it would only take a year if you can afford it.

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Foxie-Sama

Now that she is retired and on social security they are charging premiums on her social security for her Medicare!

That's not a problem with Medicare, that's a problem with Social Security.

Social Security was fine, but the government started dipping into it. So what is to prevent the government from dipping into the premiums they will collect from the "public health care" product? Answer? Nothing. Its just the government's way of taking more of or money to line their pockets with promises that "everything will be ponies and rainbows! (but not the gay kind, because gays are evil!) [for the record, I am very pro-gay rights]

THE CAKE IS A LIE

Slippery slope.

How is it a "slippery slope"? They already HAVE done it with one thing, so answer me what is to prevent them from doing it again?

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Foxie-Sama

Now that she is retired and on social security they are charging premiums on her social security for her Medicare!

That's not a problem with Medicare, that's a problem with Social Security.

Social Security was fine, but the government started dipping into it. So what is to prevent the government from dipping into the premiums they will collect from the "public health care" product? Answer? Nothing. Its just the government's way of taking more of or money to line their pockets with promises that "everything will be ponies and rainbows! (but not the gay kind, because gays are evil!) [for the record, I am very pro-gay rights]


THE CAKE IS A LIE

Slippery slope.

How is it a "slippery slope"? They already HAVE done it with one thing, so answer me what is to prevent them from doing it again?

Do you know what a slippery slope means?

"They did it before, that means they'll DEFINITELY do it with this other thing too."

I think in all honesty the problem we see here (and in many other arguments) is that many, many citizens do not trust the government to find the best-fit option for everyone, and many of the governing members don't trust the citizens either.

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Tobias_London

It was an example to show how he can't take his time to perfect everything.
It's apparently not possible to do so right now, because people keep demanding that he come through on all his promises.
Give the man some time.
You can't change an entire country overnight.
In my opinion, yes, the rich should pay for it.
A slight increase in taxes isn't going to hurt them.
Republicans help the rich, Democrats hurt them.
We just had Republican leave office after helping the rich, now its our turn to hurt them. LoL

How in the hell is it fair that the rich should have to pay for YOUR health insurance?
Put yourself in the rich person's shoes. Would you like someone to charge you $10 for a product and sell the same exact product to someone else for $5, just because "you can afford to pay more for it then they can?" Hell no! You would get pissed and yell discrimination, because in reality, it IS discrimination.