What's Wrong With Obama's Health Care Plan?

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Tobias_London

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Well I think it's the house bill that just got passed( I think) that has the problem, as it restricts abortion to women outside of mother's health, rape, and incest, um...Roe V. Wade , do we have it still?

I don't see a problem with a good public health care plan, but if it means restricting a Woman's choice, I simply cannot support that, I will never support it.

Thank the Republicans for that one.

And the anti abortion "democrats" (somehow I think of republicans in democrat clothing) .

Seriously it's frustrating. Though I likely will never have another abortion, why can't other women have the choice without someone who's not her and not the owner of her body having a hissy fit?

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Tobias_London

So what exactly is wrong with this?

Americans think it's socialist, which equates to communist, which equates to ultimate evil.

Don't mess up my s**t.

I'm an American. I signed petitions trying to push the healthcare reform through. I sure as hell don't think that way. Don't lump me together with those dumbasses.

No need to be so sensitive, boy. Besides, it points out an unsavory attitude in your national fabric.

I'm a girl.
And, I was pointing out the flaw in your assumption. When I work hard to help pass healthcare reform so my boyfriend can go to a doctor for the first time in 20 years, and people claim I think it's evil just because I was born and raised in America, I kindly correct them.
As it stands, you got a bit sensitive yourself when I corrected you...

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Tobias_London

So what exactly is wrong with this?

It isn't the Weiner plan.

Is that made by Oscar Meyer?

Not exactly.

EDIT: More concise link.

WOW. Weiner has a strong argument, I think. And Scarborogh just keeps avoiding his questions.

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Don't mess up my s**t.

I'm an American. I signed petitions trying to push the healthcare reform through. I sure as hell don't think that way. Don't lump me together with those dumbasses.

No need to be so sensitive, boy. Besides, it points out an unsavory attitude in your national fabric.

I'm a girl.
And, I was pointing out the flaw in your assumption. When I work hard to help pass healthcare reform so my boyfriend can go to a doctor for the first time in 20 years, and people claim I think it's evil just because I was born and raised in America, I kindly correct them.
As it stands, you got a bit sensitive yourself when I corrected you...

Actually, I'm pugnacious. Putting your bleeding heart on the internet? That's sensitive.

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“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.”

“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…”

“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.”

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Don't mess up my s**t.

I'm an American. I signed petitions trying to push the healthcare reform through. I sure as hell don't think that way. Don't lump me together with those dumbasses.

No need to be so sensitive, boy. Besides, it points out an unsavory attitude in your national fabric.

I'm a girl.
And, I was pointing out the flaw in your assumption. When I work hard to help pass healthcare reform so my boyfriend can go to a doctor for the first time in 20 years, and people claim I think it's evil just because I was born and raised in America, I kindly correct them.
As it stands, you got a bit sensitive yourself when I corrected you...

Actually, I'm pugnacious. Putting your bleeding heart on the internet? That's sensitive.

My bleeding heart is still in my body.

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I'm an American. I signed petitions trying to push the healthcare reform through. I sure as hell don't think that way. Don't lump me together with those dumbasses.

No need to be so sensitive, boy. Besides, it points out an unsavory attitude in your national fabric.

I'm a girl.
And, I was pointing out the flaw in your assumption. When I work hard to help pass healthcare reform so my boyfriend can go to a doctor for the first time in 20 years, and people claim I think it's evil just because I was born and raised in America, I kindly correct them.
As it stands, you got a bit sensitive yourself when I corrected you...

Actually, I'm pugnacious. Putting your bleeding heart on the internet? That's sensitive.

My bleeding heart is still in my body.

Americans. lol

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Tobias_London

So what exactly is wrong with this?

The fact that this is only benefiting the lower income bracket and forcing the higher income bracket to pay for it, instead everyone paying for each their own insurance. Of course the higher income brackets are disgruntled (mostly republicans but there are rich business owner democrats as well), Sure, we have a duty to the wellfair of our citizens, but that is just plain biased against the wealthy. I agree we need a health care reform, especially with the rediculus pricing that is charged for hospital attention, but Obama's current reform just sucks. He should take more time and try to balance things a bit more rather than straight up be biased against the rich and forcing them, directly and indirectly to pay for the poor's health insurance.

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“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.”

“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…”

“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.”

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source please

[Tobias_London]

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“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.”

“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…”

“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.”

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Isn't this a failure to pay taxes?

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Foxie-Sama

Now that she is retired and on social security they are charging premiums on her social security for her Medicare!

That's not a problem with Medicare, that's a problem with Social Security.

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Tobias_London

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Well I think it's the house bill that just got passed( I think) that has the problem, as it restricts abortion to women outside of mother's health, rape, and incest, um...Roe V. Wade , do we have it still?

I don't see a problem with a good public health care plan, but if it means restricting a Woman's choice, I simply cannot support that, I will never support it.

Thank the Republicans for that one.

And the anti abortion "democrats" (somehow I think of republicans in democrat clothing) .

Seriously it's frustrating. Though I likely will never have another abortion, why can't other women have the choice without someone who's not her and not the owner of her body having a hissy fit?

The position someone takes on abortion has nothing to do with their political party. The arguments for and against abortion tend to be based on moral issues.

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Tobias_London

So what exactly is wrong with this?

The fact that this is only benefiting the lower income bracket and forcing the higher income bracket to pay for it, instead everyone paying for each their own insurance. Of course the higher income brackets are disgruntled (mostly republicans but there are rich business owner democrats as well), Sure, we have a duty to the wellfair of our citizens, but that is just plain biased against the wealthy. I agree we need a health care reform, especially with the rediculus pricing that is charged for hospital attention, but Obama's current reform just sucks. He should take more time and try to balance things a bit more rather than straight up be biased against the rich and forcing them, directly and indirectly to pay for the poor's health insurance.

Obama tried taking his time.
Tried to get things right.
No matter what he does, it's wrong.
He tried to give gays rights, but it wasn't fast enough, so he was protested and called a gay hater.
(Don't give me your usual "Gays should rot" bullshit, please)
He's trying to take his time on deciding what to do about sending more troops to Afghanistan.
Now he's being called a liar for wanting save troops lives.
No matter what the man does, someone's gonna hate him for it.
I personally think he's doing his best to try to compromise on most issues.
His fault is trying too hard to please everyone.

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rediculus

Yes, you are.

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Tobias_London

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Tobias_London

So what exactly is wrong with this?

The fact that this is only benefiting the lower income bracket and forcing the higher income bracket to pay for it, instead everyone paying for each their own insurance. Of course the higher income brackets are disgruntled (mostly republicans but there are rich business owner democrats as well), Sure, we have a duty to the wellfair of our citizens, but that is just plain biased against the wealthy. I agree we need a health care reform, especially with the rediculus pricing that is charged for hospital attention, but Obama's current reform just sucks. He should take more time and try to balance things a bit more rather than straight up be biased against the rich and forcing them, directly and indirectly to pay for the poor's health insurance.

Obama tried taking his time.
Tried to get things right.
No matter what he does, it's wrong.
He tried to give gays rights, but it wasn't fast enough, so he was protested and called a gay hater.
(Don't give me your usual "Gays should rot" bullshit, please)
He's trying to take his time on deciding what to do about sending more troops to Afghanistan.
Now he's being called a liar for wanting save troops lives.
No matter what the man does, someone's gonna hate him for it.
I personally think he's doing his best to try to compromise on most issues.
His fault is trying too hard to please everyone.

You didnt address anything I said about health care reform... I didnt even bring up gays, you did.

All I'm saying is the reform he is pushing is way too drastic and biased against the rich. Just because they can afford it does not mean they should be forced to pay for it. Its unfair to the rich.