What's Wrong With Obama's Health Care Plan?

[SonicsniperV4]

Why in the hell are they gonna make not having health care illegial? It's like making it so you have to have a car. Sure, most people do, but there are those who don't want one.

[Stygian Soleil]

SonicsniperV4

Why in the hell are they gonna make not having health care illegial? It's like making it so you have to have a car. Sure, most people do, but there are those who don't want one.

I've yet to hear a compelling argument why someone would not want health care, and mandating health care would be beneficial to the system all around. So, if you have any good reasons, besides, "what if I just don't wanna" please present them.

[my_eyes_bleed]

There isn't anything wrong with it.
Your country needs it.

[Project 429]

my_eyes_bleed

There isn't anything wrong with it.
Your country needs it.

There's plenty wrong with it. It's not a perfect piece of legislation. It's a step in the right direction, but it's too little too late too watered down trying to make the republicans happy.

[Foxie-Sama]

Stygian Soleil

Foxie-Sama

Prove that he is doing it JUST to "help the American people" and that it has nothing to do with reelection.

That's not how the burden of proof works friend. You made the allegation, now you back it up.

No. He made the allegation that Obama isn't doing it for reelection. The burden of proof is on him.

[DreadfullyFated]

Project 429

my_eyes_bleed

There isn't anything wrong with it.
Your country needs it.

There's plenty wrong with it. It's not a perfect piece of legislation. It's a step in the right direction, but it's too little too late too watered down trying to make the republicans happy.

So what. Most legislation is imperfect with all of the legislators pet projects making the document insane amounts of pages long and corrupt officials writing laws. That is government. And what is so terrible about Republicans? They are people just like you, and yet you have to mock their beliefs. Would you do that to someone on the street I wonder...

[GunsmithKitten]

Stygian Soleil

SonicsniperV4

Why in the hell are they gonna make not having health care illegial? It's like making it so you have to have a car. Sure, most people do, but there are those who don't want one.

I've yet to hear a compelling argument why someone would not want health care, and mandating health care would be beneficial to the system all around. So, if you have any good reasons, besides, "what if I just don't wanna" please present them.

How about I object to the entire notion of an artificial third party industry like insurance ruling how and when I can have access to health care when I could instead purchase it from flat rate or concierge services as I need it?

[GunsmithKitten]

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why is health care reform not focusing on those evil, profit-greedy companies?

Because they at least are providing a tangible service and product. They're a provider.

Insurance is a scam from day 1. Pay someone money so that they can later say they won't give you any of it back? No thank you.

[marinebase7]

Tobias_London

More Security and Stability
If You Have Health Insurance, the Obama Plan:

* Ends discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions.

* Limits premium discrimination based on gender and age.

* Prevents insurance companies from dropping coverage when people are sick and need it most.

* Caps out-of-pocket expenses so people don’t go broke when they get sick.

* Eliminates extra charges for preventive care like mammograms, flu shots and diabetes tests to improve health and save money.

* Protects Medicare for seniors.

* Eliminates the “donut-hole” gap in coverage for prescription drugs.


Quality, Affordable Choices
If You Don’t Have Insurance, the Obama Plan:

* Creates a new insurance marketplace — the Exchange — that allows people without insurance and small businesses to compare plans and buy insurance at competitive prices.

* Provides new tax credits to help people buy insurance.

* Provides small businesses tax credits and affordable options for covering employees.

* Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.

* Immediately offers new, low-cost coverage through a national “high risk” pool to protect people with preexisting conditions from financial ruin until the new Exchange is created.



Reins in the Cost of Health Care
For All Americans, the Obama Plan:

* Won’t add a dime to the deficit and is paid for upfront.

* Requires additional cuts if savings are not realized.

* Implements a number of delivery system reforms that begin to rein in health care costs and align incentives for hospitals, physicians, and others to improve quality.

* Creates an independent commission of doctors and medical experts to identify waste, fraud and abuse in the health care system.

* Orders immediate medical malpractice reform projects that could help doctors focus on putting their patients first, not on practicing defensive medicine.

* Requires large employers to cover their employees and individuals who can afford it to buy insurance so everyone shares in the responsibility of reform.


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So what exactly is wrong with this?

Whats wrong with it? Oh I don't know...

An unemployed guy who doesn't pay taxes gets injured and has to go to hospital. Fortunately for him, some poor guy who can barely take care of himself and his family will pay his hospital bills for him.
A regular smoker for 15 years just realizes that he has developed cancer and needs operation immediately. Fortunately for him, some poor guy who is running 3 jobs to keep out of mortgage debt is paying for his operation.

You really like to believe everything government says don't you?

"won't add a dime to the deficit"... it was not put into place yet and we can't know that for sure (and I really, really doubt it).
"requires large employers to cover their employees..." a lot are already in place (i.e. public schools).
"creates independent commission of....find abuses in healthcare system" many states have this in place (i.e. California's healthcare institute).

[GunsmithKitten]

Quote:

You really like to believe everything government says don't you?

Is it better than believing everything the corporations tell you?

[marinebase7]

GunsmithKitten

Quote:

You really like to believe everything government says don't you?

Is it better than believing everything the corporations tell you?

Fail. I never said you should believe everything the corporations tell you. You should be able to differentiate the truth from the bullshit both of them feed to you constantly. Thanks for your assumption that I believe every little thing that corporations tell me though.

[The Ceiling Cat]

Khamsin

Tobias_London

More Security and Stability
If You Have Health Insurance, the Obama Plan:

* Ends discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions.

* Limits premium discrimination based on gender and age.

* Prevents insurance companies from dropping coverage when people are sick and need it most.

* Caps out-of-pocket expenses so people don’t go broke when they get sick.

* Eliminates extra charges for preventive care like mammograms, flu shots and diabetes tests to improve health and save money.

* Protects Medicare for seniors.

* Eliminates the “donut-hole” gap in coverage for prescription drugs.


Quality, Affordable Choices
If You Don’t Have Insurance, the Obama Plan:

* Creates a new insurance marketplace — the Exchange — that allows people without insurance and small businesses to compare plans and buy insurance at competitive prices.

* Provides new tax credits to help people buy insurance.

* Provides small businesses tax credits and affordable options for covering employees.

* Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.

* Immediately offers new, low-cost coverage through a national “high risk” pool to protect people with preexisting conditions from financial ruin until the new Exchange is created.



Reins in the Cost of Health Care
For All Americans, the Obama Plan:

* Won’t add a dime to the deficit and is paid for upfront.

* Requires additional cuts if savings are not realized.

* Implements a number of delivery system reforms that begin to rein in health care costs and align incentives for hospitals, physicians, and others to improve quality.

* Creates an independent commission of doctors and medical experts to identify waste, fraud and abuse in the health care system.

* Orders immediate medical malpractice reform projects that could help doctors focus on putting their patients first, not on practicing defensive medicine.

* Requires large employers to cover their employees and individuals who can afford it to buy insurance so everyone shares in the responsibility of reform.


Source


So what exactly is wrong with this?

Americans think it's socialist, which equates to communist, which equates to ultimate evil.

Seriously. That's what happened.

Um,
no

The fact that if you're above the poverty line and don't have insurance you can be fined or imprisoned. That's my problem with this bullcrap. Not to mention people with pre-existing terminal illnesses such as cancer under the "Free" government garbage will be left to rot.

Next time leave the ignorant generalizations at home.

[marinebase7]

Khamsin

Tobias_London

More Security and Stability
If You Have Health Insurance, the Obama Plan:

* Ends discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions.

* Limits premium discrimination based on gender and age.

* Prevents insurance companies from dropping coverage when people are sick and need it most.

* Caps out-of-pocket expenses so people don’t go broke when they get sick.

* Eliminates extra charges for preventive care like mammograms, flu shots and diabetes tests to improve health and save money.

* Protects Medicare for seniors.

* Eliminates the “donut-hole” gap in coverage for prescription drugs.


Quality, Affordable Choices
If You Don’t Have Insurance, the Obama Plan:

* Creates a new insurance marketplace — the Exchange — that allows people without insurance and small businesses to compare plans and buy insurance at competitive prices.

* Provides new tax credits to help people buy insurance.

* Provides small businesses tax credits and affordable options for covering employees.

* Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.

* Immediately offers new, low-cost coverage through a national “high risk” pool to protect people with preexisting conditions from financial ruin until the new Exchange is created.



Reins in the Cost of Health Care
For All Americans, the Obama Plan:

* Won’t add a dime to the deficit and is paid for upfront.

* Requires additional cuts if savings are not realized.

* Implements a number of delivery system reforms that begin to rein in health care costs and align incentives for hospitals, physicians, and others to improve quality.

* Creates an independent commission of doctors and medical experts to identify waste, fraud and abuse in the health care system.

* Orders immediate medical malpractice reform projects that could help doctors focus on putting their patients first, not on practicing defensive medicine.

* Requires large employers to cover their employees and individuals who can afford it to buy insurance so everyone shares in the responsibility of reform.


Source


So what exactly is wrong with this?

Americans think it's socialist, which equates to communist, which equates to ultimate evil.

Seriously. That's what happened.

Please learn what communism and socialism is before you make more of an idiot of yourself.

[Jirachi-tan]

[A better question would be what isn't wrong with Obama's Health Care Plan, Nihihi!]

[Kimihiro_Watanuki]

What's wrong with Obama-care:

1.) The rich can no longer exploit the poor.
2.) Health insurance companies can't cop out when you really need health insurance
3.) Some people are somehow content not having health insurance...until they get hit by a bus.
4.) People living in the same nation actually have to help each other, even if that means indirectly doing so.
5.) Health insurance companies can no longer make phenomenal profit.