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Marijuana 0.10891089108911 10.9% [ 11 ]
Alcohol 0.089108910891089 8.9% [ 9 ]
Both 0.11881188118812 11.9% [ 12 ]
Neither 0.68316831683168 68.3% [ 69 ]
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Rayne Nightrose
Jaishirri
Rayne Nightrose
@Jaishirri
I put several sources in there to prove a point. I never said smoking marijuana helps all asthmatics. You are jumping the gun so to speak. I simply said that unlike what you believe, smoking does help some.


I never said that I didn't believe that smoking does help some. You assumed that because I said it didn't help me, it infact makes me worse. I am also saying that your several sources are unsound, so what's the point of sourcing them. They are not credible sources and instead of making your point they disprove you.


What's the point of having biased sources when I'm not trying to prove that marijuana helps ALL asthmatics?


Who has biased sources. I'm asking for primary ones. You can't prove that marijuana helps all asthmatics, just as you can't prove that chemo will cure all cancers. You can try to establish, however, that in general, the risks outweight the side effects in the general population.

Otherwise, what's the point of arguing in favour of marijuana, or against it for that matter.
Stygian Soleil
Studies of the effect of marijuana on driving performance show that the effect is relatively insignificant.

Ehh, better safe than sorry.
Jaishirri
Rayne Nightrose
Jaishirri
Rayne Nightrose
@Jaishirri
I put several sources in there to prove a point. I never said smoking marijuana helps all asthmatics. You are jumping the gun so to speak. I simply said that unlike what you believe, smoking does help some.


I never said that I didn't believe that smoking does help some. You assumed that because I said it didn't help me, it infact makes me worse. I am also saying that your several sources are unsound, so what's the point of sourcing them. They are not credible sources and instead of making your point they disprove you.


What's the point of having biased sources when I'm not trying to prove that marijuana helps ALL asthmatics?


Who has biased sources. I'm asking for primary ones. You can't prove that marijuana helps all asthmatics, just as you can't prove that chemo will cure all cancers. You can try to establish, however, that in general, the risks outweight the side effects in the general population.

Otherwise, what's the point of arguing in favour of marijuana, or against it for that matter.


Many people on ED in the past have argued with biased sources. Whether they were dot com or dot org websites, I deliberately posted them to show the pros AND cons of marijuana on asthmatics. I wasn't arguing in favor of marijuana, I was under the impression that you believed that all smoke hurts asthmatics and I was simply trying to prove that the THC in marijuana CAN help. Yes, the cons outweigh the pros because it's smoking. I understand that.
Syndactyly
So a lot of people say smoking pot/cigarettes is wrong because they "cause cancer." Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that pot can and does cause cancer (even though tehre is a great deal of evidence to the contrary). Why is it that another person gets to invade my life, and try to control my health habits? People think that, "because it makes you sick" is reason enough for them not to tell me to do something. Why do they care so much if I get sick?

Some say that it's because when I do get cancer, I'll go the the hospital, leech their time and their resources, and then die before I can pay off my bills, and that raises premiums. I'd like people to prove that cancer patients, as a result of smoking, cause an adverse effect to the health care system that is statistically significant. People usually have NO idea what the numbers are, they just assume they're bad. Well, why don't you prove it instead of just guessing?

Why is it someone else's business what my health is like? Why is it their business if pot makes someone stupid? Why do they feel they have the right to govern another person's intelligence? Why do people use health risk and intelligence as an argument against pot, but not against alcohol?

I don't understand people who are against pot but support alcohol. Why do you think one is okay and not the other? At least smoking pot doesn't make me get in a car and kill a family of 5. People who smoke pot tend to drive really slow.

When I talk about prohibition, and how many lives it would save, people say, "I GOT MY RIGHTS TO DRINK." Well, why don't I got my rights to smoke a bud? People say, "If you take away beer, people will protest, they'll start riots, the country will be in chaos," probably basing this on the last prohibition. Yes, people will throw tantrums. We can also throw their asses in jail when they do. Why can't I use the potheads will throw a tantrum argument? Because pot makes people good natured most of the time. You want to take away a substance that calms people down?

Oh, and IN B4 ONLY THE TITLE IS ADDRESSED.


The wacky tabacky is not as benign as you make it seem. Here, this seems to be a pretty fair site on its effects. It also illustrates that impairment on pot (especially on the road) affects more people than yourself.

"Effects on behaviour
Acute toxic reactions such as nausea, anxiety, paranoia and disorientation often occur in naïve cannabis smokers but are uncommon in regular users (39). Heavy cannabis smoking, and even lighter use in susceptible individuals, can in rare cases produce an acute psychosis including anxiety, agitation, amnesia, delusions, hallucinations and hypomanic symptoms (40, 41).

“Amotivational Syndrome” is typically blamed on heavy cannabis use in adolescents and adults. This syndrome is used to describe people who show little interest in school, work or other goal-oriented activity as well as withdrawing from social activities. While it is an ill-defined condition, this is a common feature of chronic intoxication with many different psychoactive drugs and when the chronic intoxication is treated or “cured” the behavior improves. At this time, there appears to be no convincing evidence to show a causal relationship between cannabis smoking and such behavioral characteristics (42).

Tolerance to most of the effects of cannabis can develop after a few doses but it also disappears rapidly (43). The dynamics of tolerance differs for different effects (44). There appears to be comparatively less tolerance to the appetite stimulating effects of cannabis as compared to the other effects (45).

There is evidence that cannabis dependence occurs with chronic heavy recreational use (3, 4). Dependence appears to be less problematic when cannabis is used in lower doses therapeutically (5).

Effects on cognition
Cannabis use appears to impair cognition involving short-term memory, attention and concentration among long term heavy smokers. Most studies suggest that chronic users of cannabis suffer varying degrees of cognitive impairment that can sometimes be long lasting. Studies have also shown that these deficits in attention and memory occur more often with heavy cannabis use, and that these deficits can extend beyond the period of intoxication ( cool . These effects can also be cumulative with longer periods of use, but are to some degree reversible after a period post-cessation of use.

Effects on psychomotor performance
Cannabis exposure impairs psychomotor performance and patients must be warned not to drive (35, 36), especially if they feel intoxicated after smoking cannabis.
[...]
Effects on the respiratory tract
Population studies have found mild lung function changes in heavy cannabis smokers, including reduction of forced expiratory volume in 1 second (FEV1), increase in airway resistance and decrease in airway conductance (27, 28, 29). Heavy chronic cannabis smokers (i.e. more than 3 average joints per day for 25 years) may present with symptoms of bronchitis, including wheezing, production of phlegm and chronic cough. It has been suggested that heavy use of smoked cannabis may be a risk factor for chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) in later life (10, 11, 30, 31). The effects on the respiratory tract defense system may also increase the risk of infection in chronic users (32), although additional studies are required to determine the true relationship between smoked cannabis and the development of respiratory infections. However, most of the studies to date suggest that habitual long term heavy smoking of cannabis has a number of adverse effects on the respiratory tract. Medical users of cannabis should be cautious of heavy use, especially in concurrence with tobacco smoking."

(http://www.medicalmarijuanainformation.com/precautions/longtermfx.php)

I agree to a certain point that your health is your business, but if you smoke cigarettes (and to a lesser extent pot) the second hand smoke hurts others as well. It's an environmental toxin you're exposing others to in order to satisfy your addiction.

Second-hand smoke is made up of the smoke from the burning end of a cigarette or pipe, and the smoke that is blown into the air by the person smoking.

"Second-hand smoke has over 4,000 chemicals; many of them cause cancer. Two thirds of the smoke from a cigarette is not inhaled by the smoker, but enters the air around the smoker.

* Second-hand smoke has at least twice the amount of nicotine and tar as the smoke inhaled by the smoker
* It has five times the amount of carbon monoxide, a deadly gas that robs the blood of oxygen
* It also contains higher levels of ammonia (better known as window cleaner) and cadmium (also found in batteries)
* The concentration of hydrogen cyanide (a poisonous gas that attacks respiratory enzymes) in tobacco smoke is considered toxic
* It contains nitrogen dioxide which is measured at fifty times higher than the standard for harm
* Non-smokers who breathe in second-hand smoke can get many serious diseases. It can cause lung cancer, heart disease, Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (emphysema and chronic bronchitis) asthma and other diseases
* Regular exposure to second-hand smoke increases the risk of lung disease by 25% and heart disease by 10%"

(http://www.lung.ca/protect-protegez/tobacco-tabagisme/second-secondaire/index_e.php)


So...basically...the only way to make your health your business given the toxins you're ingesting is to do so by yourself in an environment that's isolated from others. If you go out in public and do so, then you're putting others at risk as well - whether by second hand smoke or intoxicated behavior. Going slower in traffic is actually just as dangerous as speeding. So smoke by yourself and never let anyone in your house ever. THEN this would be a valid argument.
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If it makes you feel any better, it makes me sister and I wheeze, but it doesn't bother my mom at all. Then again, it wasn't pure bud, but a hollowed out cigar he restuffed with bud and probably tobacco. The Tobacco could have caused the wheezing, but in any case it might have been pure bud so I might have had reactions to it. I any case, the only thing that's likely is that is doesn't cause wheezing NOT that it makes my lungs stronger or something.
Vixianna
If it makes you feel any better, it makes me sister and I wheeze, but it doesn't bother my mom at all. Then again, it wasn't pure bud, but a hollowed out cigar he restuffed with bud and probably tobacco. The Tobacco could have caused the wheezing, but in any case it might have been pure bud so I might have had reactions to it. I any case, the only thing that's likely is that is doesn't cause wheezing NOT that it makes my lungs stronger or something.


It's supposedly the THC in marijuana that helps relax your lungs and helps with wheezing. If they could find a way to incorporate something like THC into inhalers maybe it would help.
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to answer your questions with haste, but meaning, i agree that people should let you do what you want within the legal realm of things, and i'm currently debating right and wrong in comparison to our government's legal standards (i'm assuming you're american because you talk like an american)
my oldest brother happens to be my favorite brother. he started doing pot around 7th grade and did all through high school and some college. i never knew this until a couple years ago when he was put in jail for driving under the influence. i felt like i was lied to all those years that i spent having fun and stupid conversations with him. he's still my favorite brother though.
now here's the scary part. he started having seizures at work (he worked at radioshack at the time) because of the computer screens, so he went to the hospital to get a mri. the results he got back was a hole in his brain. the doctors have no idea what it is because it's not brain fluids, and it's not tissue.. it's almost like it's nothing. so, the reason why i might want anyone to stop smoking is because i don't want anyone to have a hole in their brains.
i've smoked once, and it was the worst experience of my entire life- it was probably all about circumstances and w/e else was going on with me.. but it was the worst ever. my bf smokes, but he's kind of on the fence about quitting. i encourage you to stop smoking, just like i encourage people to stop drinking, and smoking cigarettes, and cigars, and i encourage people to go out and exercise and read.
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Rayne Nightrose
Vixianna
If it makes you feel any better, it makes me sister and I wheeze, but it doesn't bother my mom at all. Then again, it wasn't pure bud, but a hollowed out cigar he restuffed with bud and probably tobacco. The Tobacco could have caused the wheezing, but in any case it might have been pure bud so I might have had reactions to it. I any case, the only thing that's likely is that is doesn't cause wheezing NOT that it makes my lungs stronger or something.


It's supposedly the THC in marijuana that helps relax your lungs and helps with wheezing. If they could find a way to incorporate something like THC into inhalers maybe it would help.


That would be supported by the fact that Marijuana smoke doesn't cause asthma attacks unlike other types of smoke, the THC in it could be counteracting the smoke's irritant effects. If that is possible, it's use in asthmatic inhalers instead of steroids would be preferable. However, it would still produce a "high" effect on the brain, so they'd have to have a careful mix...
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Was your brother smoking meth? Cause MJ doesn't cause holes in your brain, and the seizure is probably a result of the lack of tissue there. If the tissue died, it NEEDS to be removed, as long as it's not determined to be an actual hole. Dead tissue releases toxic enzymes that could also cause a seizure among other things. But basically, chances are extremely high that it ain't the pot that caused the hole, IF the hole wasn't there to begin with.
A couple of reasons. One, a strain on health care. Two, secondhand smoke.
I don't care about you or your health. You can die and i wouldn't so much as blink. But as soon as you impede on my ability to breathe fresh air, I will start cutting bitches.
Vixianna
Rayne Nightrose
Vixianna
If it makes you feel any better, it makes me sister and I wheeze, but it doesn't bother my mom at all. Then again, it wasn't pure bud, but a hollowed out cigar he restuffed with bud and probably tobacco. The Tobacco could have caused the wheezing, but in any case it might have been pure bud so I might have had reactions to it. I any case, the only thing that's likely is that is doesn't cause wheezing NOT that it makes my lungs stronger or something.


It's supposedly the THC in marijuana that helps relax your lungs and helps with wheezing. If they could find a way to incorporate something like THC into inhalers maybe it would help.


That would be supported by the fact that Marijuana smoke doesn't cause asthma attacks unlike other types of smoke, the THC in it could be counteracting the smoke's irritant effects. If that is possible, it's use in asthmatic inhalers instead of steroids would be preferable. However, it would still produce a "high" effect on the brain, so they'd have to have a careful mix...


Every medicine has side effects. Many medicines cause people to fall asleep such as Benadryl. But I think in a controlled environment it would be more beneficial than steroids.
Cheshire6
Ehh, better safe than sorry.

I agree, personally, but if it's going to be outlawed then there should be evidence to support that decision.
If someone wants to smoke, that should be their business - regardless of whether they smoke tobacco or pot. I probably would, were it legal, so there you have it.

What I'm not for, however, is smoking in public, or places where I can't avoid it. My lungs do not care for cigarette smoke at all, and much less the effects on my health. I suppose I am lucky, living in a country where smoking inside any public building, restaurants, stores and so on, is illegal. What bothers me about that is something I noticed a few weeks ago - some railway platforms are smoke-free, but far from all of them, and people don't seem to care. I wish something would be done about that in particular.
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Rayne Nightrose

Every medicine has side effects. Many medicines cause people to fall asleep such as Benadryl. But I think in a controlled environment it would be more beneficial than steroids.


THC is the psychoactive part of the cannabis plant, and the part with bronchodilating effects. Steroids right bow are used as maintenance to prevent future asthma attacks, and in large doses in rescue inhalers to stop one. It could take the place of a rescue inhaler, but as an everyday maintenance regimen it's effects on your mental state would be too extreme to warrant it's use.
First of all, why would you want cancer in the first place? Yes, I agree you should have the choice, however I don't understand your argument. No sane person should be apathetic towards if they have cancer or not.

Secondly, I agree with your pot-alcohol argument. Pot is, if you want to be vague, less harmful on society in general. Alcohol causes alcoholics, causes broken families, causes DUI's, etc. However, both of them are harmful, and cigarettes are as well. I believe that either all three of them should be legal, or all three of them should be illegal. I'm for illegal, but I doubt cigs and alcohol will ever be illegal due to the fact they have a major boost on the economy and nobody cares about the general well being of others, just how much money they're making.

But, if you go with the money argument, then why isn't pot legal? That would be a total boost too.

My theory is pot is more like a drug. Yes, duh, it IS a drug! That's why it's illegal. If you legalize pot, then you'll have a major blow on the glass ceiling at legalizing worse drugs, i.e. cocaine, meth, LSD, etc.

Pot has health benefits. They use it medically. When's the last time someone was prescribed meth for their health ailments? They weren't. My point being, if you legalize pot, then everyone will want EVERYTHING legalized. That's ******** insane. That would be utter chaos.

So no, it's not fair for the potheads. Drunks can drink, smokers can smoke, but poor potheads.
They'll never get to smoke a blunt legally. Ha.

Also, did you ever take into consideration the effect these three vices have on others? Just because you want to harm yourself doesn't mean that you have the rights to harm others. And don't go telling me that absolutely 100% of the people who do these things wouldn't be around others, 'cause you know that's just a lie. You may not, your friend may not, but by legalizing pot you'd just be upping the chances of more people doing it. Same for smoking and drinking. If they were both illegal, do you think as many people would do it? No. Some still would, but it would be a lower number. What about people who aren't involved in any of this, but their families are? Do you really think it's fair for secondhand smokers, children of alcoholics, and the friends and family of people wasting their time getting high deserve it?

If you're arguing you simply should be able to smoke pot because it's your body, you're ******** selfish. You may not ever harm someone in the process but you know damn well if it gets legalized someone else will.

All three should be illegal.

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