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Obviously I live in a backwater country with no human rights. Hence the whole gay marriage debate. Your gay Christian tirade remains irrelevant, as it was from the start.


I'm sorry. I had no idea that it was that bad. I take back everything I said.

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Obviously I live in a backwater country with no human rights. Hence the whole gay marriage debate. Your gay Christian tirade remains irrelevant, as it was from the start.


I'm sorry. I had no idea that it was that bad. I take back everything I said.


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Because sexuality has come to constitute personal identity, character and the status of the individual more and more in the past few decades. As such, a perceived union of two individuals who are regarded as being "flawed efforts at being" is of course going to be contested.

The opposition is to institutional recognition of negative existences. In other words, bigotry, but bigotry born from our understanding of sexuality and its role in personhood.


I would argue even more that there is an underlying tone of biological essentialism here that threatens to take away individual autonomy for the sake of eliminating bigotry against non-heterosexuals. It seems to be fueled by the dominant scientific discourse that claims heterosexuality to be the "norm" or "default".


Well, one cannot deny the evolutionary importance of heterosexuality. It cannot help but be a dominant scientific discourse because it's a fundamental reality of natural selection.

Homosexuals are just as important. Maybe the rock you're under didn't get the memo that gays and lesbians still have all their baby batter + same maternal clock.


Speaking in terms of evolution, they are reproductive cul-de-sacs, so, no. If they reproduce heterosexually then that makes the argument for variable sexuality as an evolutionary trait, not homosexuals as historical breeders.

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Because sexuality has come to constitute personal identity, character and the status of the individual more and more in the past few decades. As such, a perceived union of two individuals who are regarded as being "flawed efforts at being" is of course going to be contested.

The opposition is to institutional recognition of negative existences. In other words, bigotry, but bigotry born from our understanding of sexuality and its role in personhood.


I would argue even more that there is an underlying tone of biological essentialism here that threatens to take away individual autonomy for the sake of eliminating bigotry against non-heterosexuals. It seems to be fueled by the dominant scientific discourse that claims heterosexuality to be the "norm" or "default".


Well, one cannot deny the evolutionary importance of heterosexuality. It cannot help but be a dominant scientific discourse because it's a fundamental reality of natural selection.

Homosexuals are just as important. Maybe the rock you're under didn't get the memo that gays and lesbians still have all their baby batter + same maternal clock.


Speaking in terms of evolution, they are reproductive cul-de-sacs, so, no. If they reproduce heterosexually then that makes the argument for variable sexuality as an evolutionary trait, not homosexuals as historical breeders.

Hardly. Using a surrogate isn't suddenly heterosexual breeding. Well, literally it is, but the point you were pushing was that homosexuals dont reproduce. And nope, sorry dude, yes they can, they have before and will continue to do so.

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Regardless of my personal opinions, I found the entire thread not only interesting but enlightening.

It's a popular topic with a lot of replies and I think that says something.
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Hardly. Using a surrogate isn't suddenly heterosexual breeding. Well, literally it is, but the point you were pushing was that homosexuals dont reproduce. And nope, sorry dude, yes they can, they have before and will continue to do so.


The point I was pushing is that anyone who chose to mate exclusively with the same sex, historically, would not have been successful in terms of evolution.

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Regardless of my personal opinions, I found the entire thread not only interesting but enlightening.

It's a popular topic with a lot of replies and I think that says something.

Yes, often times this issue is always linked to orientation, when it could just as easily be considered gender discrimination. It's not really a common argument for it, at least from what I've seen.

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Revamping this thread in heat of the upcoming elections. I feel as if the point is still important, whether gay marriages being banned is an example of gender discrimination.

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Yes it is gender discrimination in the same way a man can donate to sperm bank while women are not allowed to.

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Yes it is gender discrimination in the same way a man can donate to sperm bank while women are not allowed to.

It's not like that at all though. Women can't produce sperm.

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Yes it is gender discrimination in the same way a man can donate to sperm bank while women are not allowed to.

It's not like that at all though. Women can't produce sperm.
Oh wow?! I would have never guessed. Hmmm glad that had nothing to do with the point I was making.

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Yes it is gender discrimination in the same way a man can donate to sperm bank while women are not allowed to.

It's not like that at all though. Women can't produce sperm.
Oh wow?! I would have never guessed. Hmmm glad that had nothing to do with the point I was making.

You had no point. Unless you have some idea that marriage is biological, in which case, LOL.

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Yes it is gender discrimination in the same way a man can donate to sperm bank while women are not allowed to.

It's not like that at all though. Women can't produce sperm.
Oh wow?! I would have never guessed. Hmmm glad that had nothing to do with the point I was making.

You had no point. Unless you have some idea that marriage is biological, in which case, LOL.
Whats the point in marriage?

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Yes it is gender discrimination in the same way a man can donate to sperm bank while women are not allowed to.

It's not like that at all though. Women can't produce sperm.
Oh wow?! I would have never guessed. Hmmm glad that had nothing to do with the point I was making.

You had no point. Unless you have some idea that marriage is biological, in which case, LOL.
Whats the point in marriage?
I see what you're implying and you're absolutely correct. Let's begin revoking the marriages of infertile couples. They clearly have no business having a legally recognized domestic partnership.

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