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Are you affected by trans issues?

Yes- I'm trans/I think I might be trans 0.16086800573888 16.1% [ 897 ]
Yes- I have a trans friend or relative 0.12087517934003 12.1% [ 674 ]
Indirectly- I have a trans acquaintance 0.060975609756098 6.1% [ 340 ]
Not directly, but I feel these issues affect me indirectly/ I feel that these issues affect everyone 0.23583213773314 23.6% [ 1315 ]
Not at all 0.30936154949785 30.9% [ 1725 ]
I don't know 0.112087517934 11.2% [ 625 ]
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Captain Verd
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Captain Verd
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Is it really so hard to split the words? Nope. It's ******** easy. And it has a real benefit.
If we don't see the benefit, is it okay for us to keep the word spaceless?


"I don't see the benefit to paying my taxes, so I'll just stop."
And then you go to jail. What happens if I leave the space out of transman? Nothing.


Actually there are ways to get out of paying taxes without getting charged with tax evasion. Opt out things and such.

It just means if your house is burning down firemen won't come to help.
Um... okay

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This is true too. But for ******** serious, Syn's equating the struggles of men and women. Cuz yanno men have it exactly as bad. Apparently.
Men have it bad in ways that women don't and vice versa. The pissing match over who has it worse is a dumb thing to run into.
 
     
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Can I reclaim it?

That excuse justifies the inverse behaviour of everything you've argued regarding "transwoman" in the past few pages.

"I'll do what I want because I can rationalize anything" is a decent policy - one to which I personally ascribe - but you would do well to recognize that you are using it.
     
Sophie, please stop arguing about what you have already said. It makes me a sad panda. Please also smack me when I do it.
 
     
 
Syndactyly
This morning I ran into "tranny porn" though, and the "transwoman" had a small d**k and no testicles... However she was getting madly sucked off but a gay man and ******** by another. I just don't see how she could really identify as a woman when she's being ******** as a man with tits.

WUT.

Syn, my last boyfriend performed oral on me and I let him and I surprisingly enjoyed it.

Guess I'm not a woman anymore. Bye guys.
     
Rosetta Celestine
Syndactyly
This morning I ran into "tranny porn" though, and the "transwoman" had a small d**k and no testicles... However she was getting madly sucked off but a gay man and ******** by another. I just don't see how she could really identify as a woman when she's being ******** as a man with tits.

WUT.

Syn, my last boyfriend performed oral on me and I let him and I surprisingly enjoyed it.

Guess I'm not a woman anymore. Bye guys.

hay guys dontcha know man sex is different from woman sex
 
     
 
Syndactyly
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Syndactyly
This morning I ran into "tranny porn" though, and the "transwoman" had a small d**k and no testicles... However she was getting madly sucked off but a gay man and ******** by another. I just don't see how she could really identify as a woman when she's being ******** as a man with tits.


Remember how much you liked getting ******** in your vag? Notice how you're still completely a guy? Yeah. Extend this idea. It isn't hard, really.
It was something I only did a couple of times. The dysphoria that followed it was not worth the vaginal sex.


And not everyone has the same intensity of dysphoria. Some people have it worse. Everyone can handle different thresholds.

GOOD ******** GOD WE HAD THIS CONVO TEN BILLION TIMES ALREADY.
So why is it that transwomen can have sex and be women but transmen can't have sex and still be men?


That's a shitty question because trans men are always men no matter how the ******** they have sex. Game set match. Anyone tells you that you're less of a man cuz you got vag poked, tell them to go sit on a rusty spike and twist. Cuz they're stupid and cissexist.

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Okay, ignore the statistic, does that make the claim invalid? It was obviously a pulled-out-of-the-a** statistic to emphasize a point.


It doesn't, it just annoys me.

I can actually describe to you the situation that causes this s**t. As it turns out, trans women are not seen as women by society at all in these contexts. We're seen as freaky men in dresses. Us having sex is irrelevant to the fact that we're already ********. Same for you. Trans guys are seen as girls in guy clothing. People will look for excuses to shoot down your gender cuz they don't believe its valid deep down inside. They'll pretend up until the point they feel like they have an excuse and then they'll attack.

The folk that do see us as valid will never attack us on that basis. You'll be able to have sex any way you want and those folk will accept you still as your gender. Cuz they aren't searching for excuses to cut you down.

As for folk on the inside, it's fighting that constant pressure from outside to make ourselves valid that creates this bullshit. We've all got this ingrained fear (we may not even be aware of it) of being seen as not a woman, a man or whatever other gender we might be as the case determines. So we all (mostly) try to assert our experiences as valid. A lot of trans folk forget that multiple experiences are valid and start believing that if trans folk who aren't like them are accepted by society, they'll be tossed cuz they're different and ergo invalid.

So they'll attack the trans folk who do things different from them or feel different from them to protect themselves. It sucks how society makes us turn on each other.

The reason why trans guys get nailed more from sexual stuff than trans women is because of who respectively sexualizes and objectifies each of us.

Trans guys are objectified and sexualized by lesbians mostly. Trans girls by straight men mostly. Straight men are invested in still being seen as straight due to homophobia. Lesbians are invested in being seen as gay due to identity. So trans girls are often asserted as women for porn and sex purposes so straight guys can continue saying they're straight while trans guys are defaced for sex stuff cuz lesbians are invested in you being secretly a girl after all.

Sex with straight guys is pretty much the only place I could get automatically accepted as a woman. Any other place is a ******** tooth and nail battle. Gay guys who fetishize trans women, on the other hand, do the exact same s**t to us that lesbians do to you.

Make more sense now? The folk that fetishize us determine how the sex s**t goes down.
     
Let's not get into the chivalry argument again because then I'll have to bring up the time Sophie unfairly called me a bigot when I didn't say genderqueers have GID, even though the DSM says otherwise. IT'S IN THE ******** PAST.

Love each other dammit.
 
     
 
Rosetta Celestine
Let's not get into the chivalry argument again because then I'll have to bring up the time Sophie unfairly called me a bigot when I didn't say genderqueers have GID, even though the DSM says otherwise. IT'S IN THE ******** PAST.

Love each other dammit.
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Blairnensha
Sophie, please stop arguing about what you have already said. It makes me a sad panda. Please also smack me when I do it.


You make me feel guilty.

Okay, @Syn and Verd: I'm bowing out of the argument. Mostly cuz it's hard to get Blair to put out when she's a sad panda. Also panda sex is way too furry for me.

Blairnensha
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Can I reclaim it?

That excuse justifies the inverse behaviour of everything you've argued regarding "transwoman" in the past few pages.


One can only reclaim a word that's used against them. So only a trans woman would be able to merge the words trans and woman together.

Blairnensha
"I'll do what I want because I can rationalize anything" is a decent policy - one to which I personally ascribe - but you would do well to recognize that you are using it.


I wouldn't call it rationalization so much, more that I'm capable of spotting viable zones of operation in a given context related to an action and follow those lines instinctively, while justifying it later. OH GODDAMMIT I DID IT AGAIN. Quick, someone put a p***s in my mouth so I stop talking.

NOT YOU, COUGAR. MY MOUTH IS SMALL.
 
     
 
Rosetta Celestine
Let's not get into the chivalry argument again because then I'll have to bring up the time Sophie unfairly called me a bigot when I didn't say genderqueers have GID, even though the DSM says otherwise. IT'S IN THE ******** PAST.

Love each other dammit.


mrgreen You still love me right, even tho I'm a mean ol' sarcastic c**t?
     
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Syndactyly
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Layman's terms are worse than useless when discussing scientific theory. Like theories of social oppression. Dur.
Funny that you talk about "science," but rely only on your OPINIONS, and just override what I have to say, because your word is "more right" or something. rolleyes


This is all basic sociology s**t from 101 level sociology courses. That's the problem with the stupid basics s**t that they teach you before you even figure out the layout of the campus, it's rarely cited anywhere because it's so goddamn basic. It's in the texts.
If you understood basic psychology and sociology you wouldn't be claiming that men are never oppressed.


Lolwat? I claimed that men were not systemically oppressed by a power structure of women and that internal ******** is not considered systemic oppression.

You suck at reading, dumbass.
No, I don't. You've refused to admit that men are ever oppressed, ever, by anyone, in any situation. You just went off about how my use of the word "oppressed" was wrong. rolleyes And I'm the dumbass?

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Didn't you think that one nonbinary person you were dating had your interests at heart but they totally played you?
I never dated a nonbinary person. >_>


Was that a trans woman then? The one at the shelter?
She never lied to me about anything. Frankly, she was too ******** honest. She told me she had sex with someone else like, right before we started dating. I did not need to know about that but she told me anyway.

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I did have interests in an androgyne but she (goes by female pronouns) was upfront with me and told me that she wasn't interested because I'm "a good guy" (bullshit) and she didn't want to "hurt" me.


That's totally bullshit rejectionspeak for "you aren't the least bit attractive to me or interesting and I'd rather ******** someone who gets me hot"

Or alternately, "I'm broken in ten billion ways and would ruin your life, STAY AWAY"
Yeah, I know. She didn't like the fact that I didn't have a giant c**k like all the other guys she was ********. :/

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I never said men have the same issues. But they do have issues they have to face. You seem to think they don't have any.


No, they definitely have issues. I said that several time. Pretty much all of their s**t doesn't fit the definition of systemic oppression (except for that court thing and circumcision, those are arguably oppression, I'll give you that definitely. Good ******** god is circumcision a godawful horrible thing.)
I don't think I've ever claimed that men are specifically "systemically" oppressed.
 
     
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@Syn: I'm not gonna respond cuz I'm busy trying to turn Blair back from a Panda. STOP ENABLING MY DEBATE ADDICTION, YOU DOUCHE.
     
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Blairnensha
Sophie, please stop arguing about what you have already said. It makes me a sad panda. Please also smack me when I do it.


You make me feel guilty.

Okay, @Syn and Verd: I'm bowing out of the argument. Mostly cuz it's hard to get Blair to put out when she's a sad panda. Also panda sex is way too furry for me.

:snuggles:

I mean, you can still argue about it, but like... "I didn't say that I said X" ticks me off. Maybe you used too many jargons or conjunctions or somethin.


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Blairnensha
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Can I reclaim it?

That excuse justifies the inverse behaviour of everything you've argued regarding "transwoman" in the past few pages.


One can only reclaim a word that's used against them. So only a trans woman would be able to merge the words trans and woman together.

umm, k. I still think it's a bad idea, though. IF ONLY SOCIETY EVOLVED SYNCHRONOUSLY

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Blairnensha
"I'll do what I want because I can rationalize anything" is a decent policy - one to which I personally ascribe - but you would do well to recognize that you are using it.


I wouldn't call it rationalization so much, more that I'm capable of spotting viable zones of operation in a given context related to an action and follow those lines instinctively, while justifying it later. OH GODDAMMIT I DID IT AGAIN. Quick, someone put a p***s in my mouth so I stop talking.

NOT YOU, COUGAR. MY MOUTH IS SMALL.

THAT MEANS THE SAME THING D<
 
     
 
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Rosetta Celestine
Let's not get into the chivalry argument again because then I'll have to bring up the time Sophie unfairly called me a bigot when I didn't say genderqueers have GID, even though the DSM says otherwise. IT'S IN THE ******** PAST.

Love each other dammit.


mrgreen You still love me right, even tho I'm a mean ol' sarcastic c**t?

Yes. You frustrate the HELL outta me a lot, but I know you're actually a good person.
     
Rosetta Celestine
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Rosetta Celestine
Let's not get into the chivalry argument again because then I'll have to bring up the time Sophie unfairly called me a bigot when I didn't say genderqueers have GID, even though the DSM says otherwise. IT'S IN THE ******** PAST.

Love each other dammit.


mrgreen You still love me right, even tho I'm a mean ol' sarcastic c**t?

Yes. You frustrate the HELL outta me a lot, but I know you're actually a good person.

Rosetta.hells--;
 
     
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