[ Poll ] Transgender Issues- not just "men in dresses"

Are you affected by trans issues?

Yes- I'm trans/I think I might be trans		16.0%	[ 900 ]
Yes- I have a trans friend or relative		12.1%	[ 681 ]
Indirectly- I have a trans acquaintance		6.1%	[ 340 ]
Not directly, but I feel these issues affect me indirectly/ I feel that these issues affect everyone		23.6%	[ 1324 ]
Not at all		31.0%	[ 1737 ]
I don't know		11.2%	[ 627 ]

Total Votes: 5609

[Blairnensha]

Syndactyly

Blairnensha

Hint: that was for your mom, Syn

Trust me, she already knows all of that information and agrees with it, she just makes "exceptions" for transgender people. "Oh, they're different."

Umm, the point is that it's an 'authority' confirming what she knows and flattering her while simultaneously explaining something she doesn't agree with because she's uncomfortable with it and doesn't understand.

But hey, maybe I'm just assuming too much about people again. Maybe I'm wrong. So let's not try it because it might not work.

[Syndactyly]

Blairnensha

Syndactyly

Blairnensha

Hint: that was for your mom, Syn

Trust me, she already knows all of that information and agrees with it, she just makes "exceptions" for transgender people. "Oh, they're different."

Umm, the point is that it's an 'authority' confirming what she knows and flattering her while simultaneously explaining something she doesn't agree with because she's uncomfortable with it and doesn't understand.

But hey, maybe I'm just assuming too much about people again. Maybe I'm wrong. So let's not try it because it might not work.

Trust me, she'd compartmentalize it and say, "I agree with the first half but not the second. Therefore it is wrong."

Yeah, the other day she was talking about "masculine" and "feminine" energies, and I told her that calling those energies "masculine" and "feminine" supports, condones, and encourages negative gender stereotypes, and she was like, explaining how for THOUSANDS OF YEARS (appeal to tradition logical fallacy) people have KNOWN this to be true, that there are "masculine" and "feminine" energies, blah blah blah, and I was like, "Okay, and what about those of us who think this is all bullshit, who don't believe in "energies" independent of what we bascially understand as electral currents, which are NOT gendered?" And she was like, "You'd be WRONG, this is all FACT, scientists agree with me." I was like, "Yeah, psuedo scientists" and she was like, "Yeah like the psuedo scientists who think you're a tranny." WHAT THE ********.

[Captain Verd]

Recursive Paradox

Captain Verd

Recursive Paradox

Is it really so hard to split the words? Nope. It's ******** easy. And it has a real benefit.

If we don't see the benefit, is it okay for us to keep the word spaceless?

"I don't see the benefit to paying my taxes, so I'll just stop."

And then you go to jail. What happens if I leave the space out of transman? Nothing.

[Captain Verd]

Blairnensha

Syndactyly

Blairnensha

Hint: that was for your mom, Syn

Trust me, she already knows all of that information and agrees with it, she just makes "exceptions" for transgender people. "Oh, they're different."

Umm, the point is that it's an 'authority' confirming what she knows and flattering her while simultaneously explaining something she doesn't agree with because she's uncomfortable with it and doesn't understand.

But hey, maybe I'm just assuming too much about people again. Maybe I'm wrong. So let's not try it because it might not work.

I am an athiest, therefore I am an authority on atheism.

[Recursive Paradox]

Syndactyly

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

Then you admit that my definition is correct in Layman's terms.

Layman's terms are worse than useless when discussing scientific theory. Like theories of social oppression. Dur.

Funny that you talk about "science," but rely only on your OPINIONS, and just override what I have to say, because your word is "more right" or something. rolleyes

This is all basic sociology s**t from 101 level sociology courses. That's the problem with the stupid basics s**t that they teach you before you even figure out the layout of the campus, it's rarely cited anywhere because it's so goddamn basic. It's in the texts.

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It's a hard habit to break.

Really? o_O Everyone I talked to found it really easy. Do you have a tough time changing word patterns, normally?

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Um, what? How have I been fooled? What relationships? I've never had a "friend" pull a fast one on me.

Didn't you think that one nonbinary person you were dating had your interests at heart but they totally played you?

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I am not going to dig back into the thread but you support a lot of the negative and hateful stereotypes and claim they're "the truth."

Bullshit. I've always spoken regarding trends, not individuals. Trends are only applicable to individuals in personal risk assessment. So if you're walking on a street alone, avoid guys sure but conceptually assuming all guys are rapists is ******** stupid.

I've said this time and time again. Good god, do you just not read anything I say past the first three words?

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You're saying women don't say things like this. They do. A lot of them do.

In your experience or do you have something better to establish this? I know radical feminists talk like this, but they're ******** and they talk s**t about, well, pretty much everything.

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I never said specifically anything you said was. But you seem to be under the impression that women never do talk s**t, that men "have it easy" that women have it "oh so hard."

Men have a wage gap? Men's reproductive rights are constantly threatened on all sides by anti abortion fanatics? Men are raped just as much as women? Really? REALLY?

[Captain Verd]

Syndactyly

Blairnensha

Syndactyly

Blairnensha

Hint: that was for your mom, Syn

Trust me, she already knows all of that information and agrees with it, she just makes "exceptions" for transgender people. "Oh, they're different."

Umm, the point is that it's an 'authority' confirming what she knows and flattering her while simultaneously explaining something she doesn't agree with because she's uncomfortable with it and doesn't understand.

But hey, maybe I'm just assuming too much about people again. Maybe I'm wrong. So let's not try it because it might not work.

Trust me, she'd compartmentalize it and say, "I agree with the first half but not the second. Therefore it is wrong."

Yeah, the other day she was talking about "masculine" and "feminine" energies, and I told her that calling those energies "masculine" and "feminine" supports, condones, and encourages negative gender stereotypes, and she was like, explaining how for THOUSANDS OF YEARS (appeal to tradition logical fallacy) people have KNOWN this to be true, that there are "masculine" and "feminine" energies, blah blah blah, and I was like, "Okay, and what about those of us who think this is all bullshit, who don't believe in "energies" independent of what we bascially understand as electral currents, which are NOT gendered?" And she was like, "You'd be WRONG, this is all FACT, scientists agree with me." I was like, "Yeah, psuedo scientists" and she was like, "Yeah like the psuedo scientists who think you're a tranny." WHAT THE ******** her know that the pseudo scientists think she's fat lol

[Recursive Paradox]

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

I am not going to dig back into the thread but you support a lot of the negative and hateful stereotypes and claim they're "the truth."

Do you remember the conversation about chivalry in this thread? I don't think Recursive thinks a lot of the things she says are sexist, even if they are.

Y'all still had no clue what the hell I actually said even at the end of that convo (after I quoted myself forty damn times) so I'm totally gonna trust you guys' memories of that. Totally. >.>

[Captain Verd]

Recursive Paradox

Men have a wage gap? Men's reproductive rights are constantly threatened on all sides by anti abortion fanatics? Men are raped just as much as women? Really? REALLY?

Do not assume that just because a man's struggle may not be apparent means it doesn't exist.

Men are discriminated against in divorce court, for example, which is why in the majority of cases, a child goes with the mother.

EDIT: Men at my work are required to wear collared shirts and pants, whereas women may wear "blouses", or nice, graphicless shirts without collars and dresses. Even though it doesn't seem like a big deal, it's still discrimination.

[Blairnensha]

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

Blairnensha

Syndactyly

Blairnensha

Hint: that was for your mom, Syn

Trust me, she already knows all of that information and agrees with it, she just makes "exceptions" for transgender people. "Oh, they're different."

Umm, the point is that it's an 'authority' confirming what she knows and flattering her while simultaneously explaining something she doesn't agree with because she's uncomfortable with it and doesn't understand.

But hey, maybe I'm just assuming too much about people again. Maybe I'm wrong. So let's not try it because it might not work.

Trust me, she'd compartmentalize it and say, "I agree with the first half but not the second. Therefore it is wrong."

Yeah, the other day she was talking about "masculine" and "feminine" energies, and I told her that calling those energies "masculine" and "feminine" supports, condones, and encourages negative gender stereotypes, and she was like, explaining how for THOUSANDS OF YEARS (appeal to tradition logical fallacy) people have KNOWN this to be true, that there are "masculine" and "feminine" energies, blah blah blah, and I was like, "Okay, and what about those of us who think this is all bullshit, who don't believe in "energies" independent of what we bascially understand as electral currents, which are NOT gendered?" And she was like, "You'd be WRONG, this is all FACT, scientists agree with me." I was like, "Yeah, psuedo scientists" and she was like, "Yeah like the psuedo scientists who think you're a tranny." WHAT THE ******** her know that the pseudo scientists think she's fat lol

lol owned

[Blairnensha]

Captain Verd

Blairnensha

Syndactyly

Blairnensha

Hint: that was for your mom, Syn

Trust me, she already knows all of that information and agrees with it, she just makes "exceptions" for transgender people. "Oh, they're different."

Umm, the point is that it's an 'authority' confirming what she knows and flattering her while simultaneously explaining something she doesn't agree with because she's uncomfortable with it and doesn't understand.

But hey, maybe I'm just assuming too much about people again. Maybe I'm wrong. So let's not try it because it might not work.

I am an athiest, therefore I am an authority on atheism.

lol athiest

that is how it works though. "You don't understand you're not one of us" "I should know because I am one"

appeal to authority wouldn't be called upon if people didn't believe it often enough to support its use

[Syndactyly]

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

Then you admit that my definition is correct in Layman's terms.

Layman's terms are worse than useless when discussing scientific theory. Like theories of social oppression. Dur.

Funny that you talk about "science," but rely only on your OPINIONS, and just override what I have to say, because your word is "more right" or something. rolleyes

This is all basic sociology s**t from 101 level sociology courses. That's the problem with the stupid basics s**t that they teach you before you even figure out the layout of the campus, it's rarely cited anywhere because it's so goddamn basic. It's in the texts.

If you understood basic psychology and sociology you wouldn't be claiming that men are never oppressed.

Recursive Paradox

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It's a hard habit to break.

Really? o_O Everyone I talked to found it really easy. Do you have a tough time changing word patterns, normally?

They don't have the same linguistic hang ups I do.

It took me about a year to stop saying, "That's so gay."

Recursive Paradox

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Um, what? How have I been fooled? What relationships? I've never had a "friend" pull a fast one on me.

Didn't you think that one nonbinary person you were dating had your interests at heart but they totally played you?

I never dated a nonbinary person. >_>

I did have interests in an androgyne but she (goes by female pronouns) was upfront with me and told me that she wasn't interested because I'm "a good guy" (bullshit) and she didn't want to "hurt" me.

Recursive Paradox

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You're saying women don't say things like this. They do. A lot of them do.

In your experience or do you have something better to establish this? I know radical feminists talk like this, but they're ******** and they talk s**t about, well, pretty much everything.

My experience is enough to say that at least some women actually do say these things.

Recursive Paradox

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I never said specifically anything you said was. But you seem to be under the impression that women never do talk s**t, that men "have it easy" that women have it "oh so hard."

Men have a wage gap? Men's reproductive rights are constantly threatened on all sides by anti abortion fanatics? Men are raped just as much as women? Really? REALLY?

I never said men have the same issues. But they do have issues they have to face. You seem to think they don't have any.

[Recursive Paradox]

Syndactyly

She's smarter than a lot of people... but I think she thinks way too highly of her intelligence. >_> Because yes, in some ways she can be incredibly daft.

Smarter than a lot of people doesn't go far these days. A lot of people are goddamn stupid.

Blairnensha

I dunno, it's like, demeaning and objectifying and stuff I guess?

Can I reclaim it?

Syndactyly

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

This morning I ran into "tranny porn" though, and the "transwoman" had a small d**k and no testicles... However she was getting madly sucked off but a gay man and ******** by another. I just don't see how she could really identify as a woman when she's being ******** as a man with tits.

Remember how much you liked getting ******** in your vag? Notice how you're still completely a guy? Yeah. Extend this idea. It isn't hard, really.

It was something I only did a couple of times. The dysphoria that followed it was not worth the vaginal sex.

And not everyone has the same intensity of dysphoria. Some people have it worse. Everyone can handle different thresholds.

GOOD ******** GOD WE HAD THIS CONVO TEN BILLION TIMES ALREADY.

Captain Verd

Recursive Paradox

Remember how much you liked getting ******** in your vag? Notice how you're still completely a guy? Yeah. Extend this idea. It isn't hard, really.

Agreed. Although Syn says there is a double standard against men getting sexed in their vaginas, it seems he is applying a version of that to women who have their dicks sucked.

I almost want to say that he's trying to prove a point by making himself an example of hypocritical stupidity, but really, I can't tell anymore.

Syndactyly

Even if I did expand my mind to go, "Oh I guess they are still woman if they ******** with their p***s" that wouldn't change the fact that 99.999999% of everyone seems to think that a transman who lets someone ******** his p***y isn't really a man. The double standard would still exist, no matter how much I opened my mind. Opening my mind changes nothing, people still think it's totally cool and great and sexy for a transwoman to ******** a guy in the a**.

You sure do make a lot of absolute statistical statements based entirely on just your own personal experience. 99.98% to be exactly LOL WITH ME, THAT WAS A JOKE.

[Syndactyly]

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

This morning I ran into "tranny porn" though, and the "transwoman" had a small d**k and no testicles... However she was getting madly sucked off but a gay man and ******** by another. I just don't see how she could really identify as a woman when she's being ******** as a man with tits.

Remember how much you liked getting ******** in your vag? Notice how you're still completely a guy? Yeah. Extend this idea. It isn't hard, really.

It was something I only did a couple of times. The dysphoria that followed it was not worth the vaginal sex.

And not everyone has the same intensity of dysphoria. Some people have it worse. Everyone can handle different thresholds.

GOOD ******** GOD WE HAD THIS CONVO TEN BILLION TIMES ALREADY.

So why is it that transwomen can have sex and be women but transmen can't have sex and still be men?

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

Even if I did expand my mind to go, "Oh I guess they are still woman if they ******** with their p***s" that wouldn't change the fact that 99.999999% of everyone seems to think that a transman who lets someone ******** his p***y isn't really a man. The double standard would still exist, no matter how much I opened my mind. Opening my mind changes nothing, people still think it's totally cool and great and sexy for a transwoman to ******** a guy in the a**.

You sure do make a lot of absolute statistical statements based entirely on just your own personal experience. 99.98% to be exactly LOL WITH ME, THAT WAS A JOKE.

Okay, ignore the statistic, does that make the claim invalid? It was obviously a pulled-out-of-the-a** statistic to emphasize a point.

[Recursive Paradox]

Captain Verd

Recursive Paradox

Captain Verd

Recursive Paradox

Is it really so hard to split the words? Nope. It's ******** easy. And it has a real benefit.

If we don't see the benefit, is it okay for us to keep the word spaceless?

"I don't see the benefit to paying my taxes, so I'll just stop."

And then you go to jail. What happens if I leave the space out of transman? Nothing.

Actually there are ways to get out of paying taxes without getting charged with tax evasion. Opt out things and such.

It just means if your house is burning down firemen won't come to help.

Captain Verd

Recursive Paradox

Men have a wage gap? Men's reproductive rights are constantly threatened on all sides by anti abortion fanatics? Men are raped just as much as women? Really? REALLY?

Do not assume that just because a man's struggle may not be apparent means it doesn't exist.

Oh it exists. It's just that women face hidden struggles and visible struggles and men face hidden struggles.

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Men are discriminated against in divorce court, for example, which is why in the majority of cases, a child goes with the mother.

Yes and that's definitely a ******** situation.

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EDIT: Men at my work are required to wear collared shirts and pants, whereas women may wear "blouses", or nice, graphicless shirts without collars and dresses. Even though it doesn't seem like a big deal, it's still discrimination.

This is true too. But for ******** serious, Syn's equating the struggles of men and women. Cuz yanno men have it exactly as bad. Apparently.

[Recursive Paradox]

Syndactyly

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

Then you admit that my definition is correct in Layman's terms.

Layman's terms are worse than useless when discussing scientific theory. Like theories of social oppression. Dur.

Funny that you talk about "science," but rely only on your OPINIONS, and just override what I have to say, because your word is "more right" or something. rolleyes

This is all basic sociology s**t from 101 level sociology courses. That's the problem with the stupid basics s**t that they teach you before you even figure out the layout of the campus, it's rarely cited anywhere because it's so goddamn basic. It's in the texts.

If you understood basic psychology and sociology you wouldn't be claiming that men are never oppressed.

Lolwat? I claimed that men were not systemically oppressed by a power structure of women and that internal ******** is not considered systemic oppression.

You suck at reading, dumbass.

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They don't have the same linguistic hang ups I do.

It took me about a year to stop saying, "That's so gay."

Wow. Okay, that's fair. Take your time with it, just try to get it done okay? But I won't ride your a** about it since you've got linguistic s**t you're dealing with.

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Didn't you think that one nonbinary person you were dating had your interests at heart but they totally played you?

I never dated a nonbinary person. >_>

Was that a trans woman then? The one at the shelter?

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I did have interests in an androgyne but she (goes by female pronouns) was upfront with me and told me that she wasn't interested because I'm "a good guy" (bullshit) and she didn't want to "hurt" me.

That's totally bullshit rejectionspeak for "you aren't the least bit attractive to me or interesting and I'd rather ******** someone who gets me hot"

Or alternately, "I'm broken in ten billion ways and would ruin your life, STAY AWAY"

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My experience is enough to say that at least some women actually do say these things.

But you said a lot. I totally agree with some. I had one try to troll the ******** out of my blog, calling me an infiltrator and a fake woman. Man I hate radical feminists sometimes. They take transphobia to the max.

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I never said men have the same issues. But they do have issues they have to face. You seem to think they don't have any.

No, they definitely have issues. I said that several time. Pretty much all of their s**t doesn't fit the definition of systemic oppression (except for that court thing and circumcision, those are arguably oppression, I'll give you that definitely. Good ******** god is circumcision a godawful horrible thing.)