[ Poll ] Transgender Issues- not just "men in dresses"

Are you affected by trans issues?

Yes- I'm trans/I think I might be trans		16.0%	[ 903 ]
Yes- I have a trans friend or relative		12.1%	[ 684 ]
Indirectly- I have a trans acquaintance		6.1%	[ 341 ]
Not directly, but I feel these issues affect me indirectly/ I feel that these issues affect everyone		23.5%	[ 1326 ]
Not at all		31.1%	[ 1752 ]
I don't know		11.2%	[ 629 ]

Total Votes: 5635

[Captain Verd]

Okay, I have a question. Nobody get all pissed about this, because I understand that porn is not real life and s**t don't really go down that way.

Anyway.

Recently, while in a video store, my friends and I stumbled across the movie "Hot Black Teeb Transsexuals 2". The cover had this totally bangin chick with the biggest d**k in the universe. My friend wondered aloud how someone could even do that, and I tried my best to explain only to end up confused as well.

My first thought was to explain the process of how a transwoman changes her sex, but then I was confused about the giant d**k. If a woman's taking estrogen all the time, wouldn't that have an effect on her wang? Like, if she's taken so much that she looks like a curvy woman in every other way, doesn't that mess with the d**k part? I really have no idea.

My other thought was that she got them big titties in another country, but that still doesn't explain the curvy part.

[Syndactyly]

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

Recursive Paradox

The idea that someone might equate me with those indigo children bullshitters is terrifying.

My mom absolutely does not believe in transgender.

But she believes in Indigo children.

So I tried to put a spin on that. "Maybe as an indigo child, I 'chose' the wrong body on accident because it was my first time and I didn't really know what I wanted." She says we CHOOSE the form we are going to take before we enter the world. I also said, "Or maybe I chose the wrong body on purpose so I would have to go through this mental, physical, and dare I say spiritual transformation." She brushed that off, "Yeah, you can make any argument you want to make your deviancy sound right." Wtf? No, if my "deviancy" doesn't make sense, I can't just make up a logical argument that actually supports it, sorry.

Your mom will be reincarnated as a slug.

She really does need to be taken down a peg. I think that would be fitting. >_>

[Blairnensha]

Recursive Paradox

Don't you normally say trans chick and trans dude, already separating them cuz of the nickname words? I don't think you've ever used standard terminology for any of this. XD

No. I'm pretty careful to avoid "chick" and I usually use "guy" instead of "dude" because I think "dude" sounds stoner-y. Above all, I prefer 'transpeepz'. But my obsessive compulsion not to reuse words where possible may overcome any of these.

[Syndactyly]

Captain Verd

Okay, I have a question. Nobody get all pissed about this, because I understand that porn is not real life and s**t don't really go down that way.

Anyway.

Recently, while in a video store, my friends and I stumbled across the movie "Hot Black Teeb Transsexuals 2". The cover had this totally bangin chick with the biggest d**k in the universe. My friend wondered aloud how someone could even do that, and I tried my best to explain only to end up confused as well.

My first thought was to explain the process of how a transwoman changes her sex, but then I was confused about the giant d**k. If a woman's taking estrogen all the time, wouldn't that have an effect on her wang? Like, if she's taken so much that she looks like a curvy woman in every other way, doesn't that mess with the d**k part? I really have no idea.

My other thought was that she got them big titties in another country, but that still doesn't explain the curvy part.

Some of the "transwomen" I've seen in porn clearly still had healthy testicles and were not on spiro. I've seen some 100% male masculine men turn into glamorous drag queens.

I most often do not consider these "women" to be trans, they're generally just surgically altered men who have an extreme fetish and somehow snaked their way through the system. If they're ******** people with their giant c**k and are in gay porn they do not really see themselves as women at all. >_>

I'm pretty sure most of those "transwomen" in the dickgirl porn are not really fully in transition; they've had breast augmentation and that's about it. As for uh, being curvy, some men naturally are. When you're working to be a porn star, you also work hard to sculpt your body to look a certain way. Dare I say that if they're willing to have breast implants and botox injections, what's keeping them from hip/butt implants?

[Recursive Paradox]

Syndactyly

Then you admit that my definition is correct in Layman's terms.

Layman's terms are worse than useless when discussing scientific theory. Like theories of social oppression. Dur.

The layman definition of evolution would be a ******** stupid thing to bring to a discussion about the evolution of species and the biodiversity of our planet. It's what the creationists do all the time actually.

The rest of this paragraph depends on using the layman's definition, which I don't accept as viable. So moving on.

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Are you SURE that is how they mean it? Is it possible they could just see it the way I did, and the way Blair described?

I'm not sure and that's just the problem. There's no way to be sure. Someone could mean it that way or they might not. Should I really take the chance based on a hope that they're innocent or change the language used so that those who do have the wrong idea are taught otherwise?

Is it really so hard to split the words? Nope. It's ******** easy. And it has a real benefit.

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I never split the term into "women and transwomen." Transwomen are, in my view, a type of woman, and just because it takes the form of one word doesn't mean I'm telling them they're not really women. If I really believed that, I wouldn't use the term "transman" either, because I know I'm a man, and I don't separate myself from other men.

Not everyone is like you. Does it really give you a manties wedgie to split the words?

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No, I wouldn't. I've worked in theater for roughly 10 years. I've seen hundreds of shitty auditions, I know what signs to look for. I also know a lot about behavioral psychology and what to look for in a liar.

You've also been fooled a lot, like in past relationships. Theory is all well and good, but even social engineers can be played. Especially when we're invested in the opinions we ask for, right? It would suck if someone thought I looked like a dude. It would hurt. So would I really analyze the situation perfectly with such a painful possibly? Or delude myself a little to protect myself?

That inclination to protect the mind is present in all of us.

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You're an example.

rofl Bullshit.

Give me an example of a hateful and sexist thing I've said about men (that wasn't a hilarious joke, like the ones I make about women and nonbinaries too). Even one example. Don't worry, I'm patient.

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No, it is not true that all men rape women

Funny how I didn't say that. Literacy, do you possess it?

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that all men take advantage of women, that all men abuse women, that all men forcibly dominate women, that all men are "chavanist pigs," etc.

Funny how I didn't say any of that. No literacy huh?

I said, specifically and distinctly: A lot of women are raped by men (not all men, just that a lot of the offenders are men, a very very large number. ******** it could all be the same guy with a mask, maybe. Still doesn't change what the victim experienced, which was a man raping her). Since women have this knowledge of the fact that a s**t ton of rapes happen per year in America, and that they're mostly done by men (with no data on whether it's just the same 50 guys or if it's single and double time offenders), one could understand them being distrustful.

Mostly cuz y'all don't wear signs. There's no way to know who's the good guy and who's the bad guy, and the risk is trauma, horrible horrible trauma. It isn't sexist to not automatically trust you, even if you think it is, in the face of that.

Now, here's hoping you actually read that instead of building straw sculptures of folk in my field.

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The statements really make the b***h a hypocrite.

Not reading s**t really makes the d**k a ********.

XD I love word games!

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Caution is one thing, talking trash is another.

And none of what I said was talking trash.

[Captain Verd]

Syndactyly

Captain Verd

Okay, I have a question. Nobody get all pissed about this, because I understand that porn is not real life and s**t don't really go down that way.

Anyway.

Recently, while in a video store, my friends and I stumbled across the movie "Hot Black Teeb Transsexuals 2". The cover had this totally bangin chick with the biggest d**k in the universe. My friend wondered aloud how someone could even do that, and I tried my best to explain only to end up confused as well.

My first thought was to explain the process of how a transwoman changes her sex, but then I was confused about the giant d**k. If a woman's taking estrogen all the time, wouldn't that have an effect on her wang? Like, if she's taken so much that she looks like a curvy woman in every other way, doesn't that mess with the d**k part? I really have no idea.

My other thought was that she got them big titties in another country, but that still doesn't explain the curvy part.

Some of the "transwomen" I've seen in porn clearly still had healthy testicles and were not on spiro. I've seen some 100% male masculine men turn into glamorous drag queens.

I most often do not consider these "women" to be trans, they're generally just surgically altered men who have an extreme fetish and somehow snaked their way through the system. If they're ******** people with their giant c**k and are in gay porn they do not really see themselves as women at all. >_>

I'm pretty sure most of those "transwomen" in the dickgirl porn are not really fully in transition; they've had breast augmentation and that's about it. As for uh, being curvy, some men naturally are. When you're working to be a porn star, you also work hard to sculpt your body to look a certain way. Dare I say that if they're willing to have breast implants and botox injections, what's keeping them from hip/butt implants?

They could be real women who simply need cash really ******** badly, or got stuck their owing money or something.

I didn't considering hip implants. I didn't even know they did those.

Also, I don't think it's considered gay porn.

[Syndactyly]

This morning I ran into "tranny porn" though, and the "transwoman" had a small d**k and no testicles... However she was getting madly sucked off but a gay man and ******** by another. I just don't see how she could really identify as a woman when she's being ******** as a man with tits.

[Captain Verd]

Recursive Paradox

Is it really so hard to split the words? Nope. It's ******** easy. And it has a real benefit.

If we don't see the benefit, is it okay for us to keep the word spaceless? Is it really so hard to just get over the space?

[Captain Verd]

Syndactyly

This morning I ran into "tranny porn" though, and the "transwoman" had a small d**k and no testicles... However she was getting madly sucked off but a gay man and ******** by another. I just don't see how she could really identify as a woman when she's being ******** as a man with tits.

I think we've had this discussion before. How does any transsexual have sex using their biological organs?

[Syndactyly]

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

Then you admit that my definition is correct in Layman's terms.

Layman's terms are worse than useless when discussing scientific theory. Like theories of social oppression. Dur.

Funny that you talk about "science," but rely only on your OPINIONS, and just override what I have to say, because your word is "more right" or something. rolleyes

Recursive Paradox

Not everyone is like you. Does it really give you a manties wedgie to split the words?

It's a hard habit to break.

Recursive Paradox

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No, I wouldn't. I've worked in theater for roughly 10 years. I've seen hundreds of shitty auditions, I know what signs to look for. I also know a lot about behavioral psychology and what to look for in a liar.

You've also been fooled a lot, like in past relationships. Theory is all well and good, but even social engineers can be played. Especially when we're invested in the opinions we ask for, right? It would suck if someone thought I looked like a dude. It would hurt. So would I really analyze the situation perfectly with such a painful possibly? Or delude myself a little to protect myself?

Um, what? How have I been fooled? What relationships? I've never had a "friend" pull a fast one on me.

Recursive Paradox

Give me an example of a hateful and sexist thing I've said about men (that wasn't a hilarious joke, like the ones I make about women and nonbinaries too). Even one example. Don't worry, I'm patient.

I am not going to dig back into the thread but you support a lot of the negative and hateful stereotypes and claim they're "the truth."

Recursive Paradox

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that all men take advantage of women, that all men abuse women, that all men forcibly dominate women, that all men are "chavanist pigs," etc.

Funny how I didn't say any of that. No literacy huh?

You're saying women don't say things like this. They do. A lot of them do.

Recursive Paradox

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Caution is one thing, talking trash is another.

And none of what I said was talking trash.

I never said specifically anything you said was. But you seem to be under the impression that women never do talk s**t, that men "have it easy" that women have it "oh so hard."

[Recursive Paradox]

Syndactyly

Recursive Paradox

Syndactyly

I don't get my panties in a bunch when someone calls me a transman.

Don't those panties put a bit of pressure on your junk?

Nah, generally they're manties (men's lingere designed to look girly). But I do have some actual panties, I've made sure they're roomy.

MANTIES? O_O

All you did was make me think of Manticores in lingere. A thousand furries in every direction came, while I cringed.

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I don't see how they're necessarily separating me from men any more by saying "transman" instead of "trans man." Mentioning the trans, no matter how they do it, puts my c**t on display. So if I really don't want to be "separated" I'd rather they just not mention that I am trans at all.

Well that obviously, but in situations where it's relevant (like say I dunno discussing trans healthcare) cis folk will often go women and transwomen or men and transmen. Getting folks to use the word cis and separate the words helps fight that inclination. You aren't the problem. Others are.

Syndactyly

Recursive Paradox

The idea that someone might equate me with those indigo children bullshitters is terrifying.

My mom absolutely does not believe in transgender.

But she believes in Indigo children.

Your mother is the most godawful stupid piece of human excrement in existence. It's amazing she didn't choke herself to death on your umbilical cord when you were born, she's so stupid.

No offense. XD

[Syndactyly]

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

Captain Verd

Okay, I have a question. Nobody get all pissed about this, because I understand that porn is not real life and s**t don't really go down that way.

Anyway.

Recently, while in a video store, my friends and I stumbled across the movie "Hot Black Teeb Transsexuals 2". The cover had this totally bangin chick with the biggest d**k in the universe. My friend wondered aloud how someone could even do that, and I tried my best to explain only to end up confused as well.

My first thought was to explain the process of how a transwoman changes her sex, but then I was confused about the giant d**k. If a woman's taking estrogen all the time, wouldn't that have an effect on her wang? Like, if she's taken so much that she looks like a curvy woman in every other way, doesn't that mess with the d**k part? I really have no idea.

My other thought was that she got them big titties in another country, but that still doesn't explain the curvy part.

Some of the "transwomen" I've seen in porn clearly still had healthy testicles and were not on spiro. I've seen some 100% male masculine men turn into glamorous drag queens.

I most often do not consider these "women" to be trans, they're generally just surgically altered men who have an extreme fetish and somehow snaked their way through the system. If they're ******** people with their giant c**k and are in gay porn they do not really see themselves as women at all. >_>

I'm pretty sure most of those "transwomen" in the dickgirl porn are not really fully in transition; they've had breast augmentation and that's about it. As for uh, being curvy, some men naturally are. When you're working to be a porn star, you also work hard to sculpt your body to look a certain way. Dare I say that if they're willing to have breast implants and botox injections, what's keeping them from hip/butt implants?

They could be real women who simply need cash really ******** badly, or got stuck their owing money or something.

I didn't considering hip implants. I didn't even know they did those.

Also, I don't think it's considered gay porn.

Maybe. I kind of doubt it because these amateur porn stars don't make a lot of money. She'd probably make more as a prostitute.

I usually find "tranny porn" in the gay section. It's two cocks slapping each other, what more needs to be said?

[Blairnensha]

Syndactyly

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

Recursive Paradox

The idea that someone might equate me with those indigo children bullshitters is terrifying.

My mom absolutely does not believe in transgender.

But she believes in Indigo children.

So I tried to put a spin on that. "Maybe as an indigo child, I 'chose' the wrong body on accident because it was my first time and I didn't really know what I wanted." She says we CHOOSE the form we are going to take before we enter the world. I also said, "Or maybe I chose the wrong body on purpose so I would have to go through this mental, physical, and dare I say spiritual transformation." She brushed that off, "Yeah, you can make any argument you want to make your deviancy sound right." Wtf? No, if my "deviancy" doesn't make sense, I can't just make up a logical argument that actually supports it, sorry.

Your mom will be reincarnated as a slug.

She really does need to be taken down a peg. I think that would be fitting. >_>

I happen to be an expert on Indigo Children - being one myself, I am probably better-equipped to analyze us than any so-called expert with a lower-frequency aura. It is a folly to assume that an Indigo Soul will choose a vessel based on such a triviality as gender; no, the life-force, the timing, the parents must all be perfect. If that means choosing the wrong gender, so be it; that can be corrected later.

Unfortunately, an Indigo Child's ability to perceive the true nature of things will cause them great bodily discomfort which they might not have anticipated, if the gender is indeed incorrect. It is therefore in their best interest to correct this surgically as soon as possible, lest their potential be squandered on just coping with it.

[Syndactyly]

Captain Verd

Syndactyly

This morning I ran into "tranny porn" though, and the "transwoman" had a small d**k and no testicles... However she was getting madly sucked off but a gay man and ******** by another. I just don't see how she could really identify as a woman when she's being ******** as a man with tits.

I think we've had this discussion before. How does any transsexual have sex using their biological organs?

Therein lies a double standard. It's perfectly okay when a transwoman sticks her fat c**k inside of someone, but it's just not cool when a transman gets ******** in the p***y. He's no longer a man if he does. rolleyes

[Captain Verd]

Syndactyly

I am not going to dig back into the thread but you support a lot of the negative and hateful stereotypes and claim they're "the truth."

Do you remember the conversation about chivalry in this thread? I don't think Recursive thinks a lot of the things she says are sexist, even if they are.