[ Poll ] Transgender Issues- not just "men in dresses"

Are you affected by trans issues?

Yes- I'm trans/I think I might be trans		16.0%	[ 902 ]
Yes- I have a trans friend or relative		12.1%	[ 683 ]
Indirectly- I have a trans acquaintance		6.1%	[ 341 ]
Not directly, but I feel these issues affect me indirectly/ I feel that these issues affect everyone		23.5%	[ 1325 ]
Not at all		31.0%	[ 1747 ]
I don't know		11.2%	[ 629 ]

Total Votes: 5627

[Taineyah]

Sheynara

Taineyah

The measure of a human being lies not in whether what is between their legs matches what is in their mind, but in how they treat others.

Bollocks. Utter, utter bollocks.

That's the type of attitude applicable to wishful thinking only.

However, in reality your initial measure (and maybe measure for a long time) is based upon your physical appearance and social pressures and stereotypes.

No. You speak of first impressions and impressions given to others. The TRUE measure of a person and people's impressions of them are two different things.

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Taineyah

Sheynara

Taineyah

The measure of a human being lies not in whether what is between their legs matches what is in their mind, but in how they treat others.

Bollocks. Utter, utter bollocks.

That's the type of attitude applicable to wishful thinking only.

However, in reality your initial measure (and maybe measure for a long time) is based upon your physical appearance and social pressures and stereotypes.

No. You speak of first impressions and impressions given to others. The TRUE measure of a person and people's impressions of them are two different things.

Not in the least.

Somebody's impression of somebody else is quite literally the original person's true measure in the eye of the second person.

[Taineyah]

Sheynara

Taineyah

Sheynara

Taineyah

The measure of a human being lies not in whether what is between their legs matches what is in their mind, but in how they treat others.

Bollocks. Utter, utter bollocks.

That's the type of attitude applicable to wishful thinking only.

However, in reality your initial measure (and maybe measure for a long time) is based upon your physical appearance and social pressures and stereotypes.

No. You speak of first impressions and impressions given to others. The TRUE measure of a person and people's impressions of them are two different things.

Not in the least.

Somebody's impression of somebody else is quite literally the original person's true measure in the eye of the second person.

So. Jews are worthless? Hitler said so. And gays are worthless? Other people say so. Who does have any worth, in your mind?

[Xillania]

Taineyah

Sheynara

Taineyah

Sheynara

Taineyah

The measure of a human being lies not in whether what is between their legs matches what is in their mind, but in how they treat others.

Bollocks. Utter, utter bollocks.

That's the type of attitude applicable to wishful thinking only.

However, in reality your initial measure (and maybe measure for a long time) is based upon your physical appearance and social pressures and stereotypes.

No. You speak of first impressions and impressions given to others. The TRUE measure of a person and people's impressions of them are two different things.

Not in the least.

Somebody's impression of somebody else is quite literally the original person's true measure in the eye of the second person.

So. Jews are worthless? Hitler said so. And gays are worthless? Other people say so. Who does have any worth, in your mind?

Because the only thing that ever has any relevance to human interaction is how people are perceived in other people's minds?

[Sex Squared]

Ah, you know, I was working on a thread about this. You beat me to it, Dys!

As my genderqueer, dykey little self, I thank you for this. Very well stated, nice and clear and easy to understand.

I've never really understood why so many people have such a problem with it. It's like... don't like gay marriage? Don't have one. Don't like trannies? Don't go in for SRS. Don't marry one. Problem solved.

Why must people force their phobias on others? I'm terrified of spiders. Let's make them illegal! WTF?

[Taineyah]

Xillania

Taineyah

Sheynara

Taineyah

Sheynara

Taineyah

The measure of a human being lies not in whether what is between their legs matches what is in their mind, but in how they treat others.

Bollocks. Utter, utter bollocks.

That's the type of attitude applicable to wishful thinking only.

However, in reality your initial measure (and maybe measure for a long time) is based upon your physical appearance and social pressures and stereotypes.

No. You speak of first impressions and impressions given to others. The TRUE measure of a person and people's impressions of them are two different things.

Not in the least.

Somebody's impression of somebody else is quite literally the original person's true measure in the eye of the second person.

So. Jews are worthless? Hitler said so. And gays are worthless? Other people say so. Who does have any worth, in your mind?

Because the only thing that ever has any relevance to human interaction is how people are perceived in other people's minds?

That was sort of the point I was trying to make...

[Xillania]

Taineyah

Xillania

Taineyah

Sheynara

Taineyah

No. You speak of first impressions and impressions given to others. The TRUE measure of a person and people's impressions of them are two different things.

Not in the least.

Somebody's impression of somebody else is quite literally the original person's true measure in the eye of the second person.

So. Jews are worthless? Hitler said so. And gays are worthless? Other people say so. Who does have any worth, in your mind?

Because the only thing that ever has any relevance to human interaction is how people are perceived in other people's minds?

That was sort of the point I was trying to make...

But then if someone is blatently generous all the time, but completely misunderstood by everyone, their worth in other people's eyes might not be much, though they be a really good person. Humans are stupid and narrow-minded.

Taineyah

The measure of a human being lies not in whether what is between their legs matches what is in their mind, but in how they treat others.

The only measure of a human being that is relevent to interpersonal reactions is how they are perceived by others, not how they treat others. The Jews weren't doing anything to anyone, but Hitler thought they were.

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Taineyah

Sheynara

Taineyah

Sheynara

Taineyah

The measure of a human being lies not in whether what is between their legs matches what is in their mind, but in how they treat others.

Bollocks. Utter, utter bollocks.

That's the type of attitude applicable to wishful thinking only.

However, in reality your initial measure (and maybe measure for a long time) is based upon your physical appearance and social pressures and stereotypes.

No. You speak of first impressions and impressions given to others. The TRUE measure of a person and people's impressions of them are two different things.

Not in the least.

Somebody's impression of somebody else is quite literally the original person's true measure in the eye of the second person.

So. Jews are worthless? Hitler said so. And gays are worthless? Other people say so. Who does have any worth, in your mind?

Yes, Jews are quite wortheless.

In Hitler's eyes.

Mhmm, gays are worth bugger all.

In the eyes of ignorant mobs.

Context and comprehension helps.

[DysPerDis]

PoeticVengeance

DysPerDis

Perhaps, a debate with someone who holds a different view than me and actually has the ability to back themselves up?

That would be quite an occurance.

Hey, I can dream, can't I?

But seriously, if you can find an intelligent person who disagrees with what I wrote, direct them this way! Please?

Oh, and I found an awesome blog entry on trans issues and feminism- it can be found here.

[Burning Sosobra]

To the creator of this thread: Thanks! I seriously learned a lot. Trans issues are never discussed enough and too many misinterpretations occur...I'll have to bring this to my group next week...

Hopefully they'll like it....>_< They totally didn't get Gender Gumby....

[RiverOFIreland]

i'm a rather traditional type person. i don't belive in homosexuality (but if a girl loves a girl or a guy loves a guy- they can do that, i'm not gonna, but that shouldn't keep them from doing so) i think guys are atracted to girls and vice versa. but just cause i'm straight and i don't know any guys that like to dress like a girl dousn't change any thing for any one else...

so pretty much, while i don't agree don't do some thing that makes you unhappy!

[Vergilius of Gaul]

I am a transguy. smile Not much else to say.

[Calixti]

RiverOFIreland

i'm a rather traditional type person. i don't belive in homosexuality

I don't believe in Santa. Difference? Santa doesn't exist, but homosexuality does.

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(but if a girl loves a girl or a guy loves a guy- they can do that, i'm not gonna, but that shouldn't keep them from doing so)

Congratulations, you just contradicted yourself.

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i think guys are atracted to girls and vice versa.

Three for three. Care to do it again?

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but just cause i'm straight and i don't know any guys that like to dress like a girl dousn't change any thing for any one else...

Did you even READ the title? "Not just 'men in dresses'." HELLO?

Transgenderism includes anyone and anything that doesn't fit into the binary gender system. Until you get that in your head, DON'T post in this thread.

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so pretty much, while i don't agree don't do some thing that makes you unhappy!

And to top it off, transgenderism doesn't "do" anything. It's a state of being, just like having green eyes, or (*gasp*) homosexuality!

[DysPerDis]

RiverOFIreland

i'm a rather traditional type person. i don't belive in homosexuality (but if a girl loves a girl or a guy loves a guy- they can do that, i'm not gonna, but that shouldn't keep them from doing so) i think guys are atracted to girls and vice versa.

This is why the sight of a p***s is nauseating, and the idea of actually letting a guy touch me makes me.. well, yeah.

Yeah, it looks like those of us who can't stand the opposite sex in a sexual manner kinda disprove that hypothesis.

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but just cause i'm straight and i don't know any guys that like to dress like a girl dousn't change any thing for any one else...

Except, as I've explained, I'm not talking about cross-dressing. I'm talking about people who have brain structures which don't match that specified by their sex chromosomes, and their way of dealing with it. Cross-dressing can be done for entertainment, as a fetish, or just for shits and giggles. Tanssexuals, on the other hand, do it for the sake of their sanity. After all, how would you like to have been stuck with your female brain in a male body?

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so pretty much, while i don't agree don't do some thing that makes you unhappy!

Thanks for your blessing. Now, maybe it would help if you understood some crucial things: Sexual attraction and gender identity aren't related. There are gay transpeople. There are straight transpeople. there are bisexual transpeople. Hell, there are asexual transpeople.

[FPMule]

RiverOFIreland

i'm a rather traditional type person.

'Traditional type of person'? What does that mean? As far as I can tell, it means you go 'LALALALALALA! ICAN'THEARYOULOLOLO!' to everything you dislike.

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i don't belive in homosexuality

Look, I don't care that you don't 'believe' in homosexuality. We're not like the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny. We don't need your belief to exist. We exist, whether you believe it or not.

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(but if a girl loves a girl or a guy loves a guy- they can do that, i'm not gonna, but that shouldn't keep them from doing so) i think guys are atracted to girls and vice versa.

I'm a guy attracted to other guys. Therefore, your 'thoughts', if such a word could be applied to that sentence, is wrong.

By the way, if you didn't read the first post, go ahead and do so. It explains that transgederism is NOT related to homosexuality.

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but just cause i'm straight and i don't know any guys that like to dress like a girl dousn't change any thing for any one else...

Again, transgenderism does not equal homosexuality.

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so pretty much, while i don't agree don't do some thing that makes you unhappy!

Your ignorance makes me unhappy.