To fight what we do not want to become: The Empire Quote

Do you believe it's easier to fall from grace (and become what you are not) then it is to be in grace (and stay true to what you believe)? (BE HONEST)

Agree	72.4%	[ 21 ]
Disagree	27.6%	[ 8 ]
Total Votes:			[ 29 ]

[Sneaker Pimps]

Eveille

I think it is because it is rarely the case that someone with integrity is all of a sudden leaving the house and gets the idea to join a crime syndicate and kill people.

More like someone goes and does their job and slowly, incrementally and without their notice they are asked to do meaner and crueler things over the course of the job. Since it is just a job, who cares right? So they do what their bosses ask them because 'it isn't really that bad' and well the next time 'o this is like last time, so it's still ok...'. and Slowly slowly they are eaten up until they are making decisions and signing documents that they never would have believed they would do had those things been asked of them on their first week.

There is always some justification for falling away from your values and it is rarely easy to see just when the 'moment' happened.

An actual real life example, those workers for the UN peacekeepers in Rwanda in the 90s, at the time of the genocide. They were probably good people, they were running clinics and helping out and generally doing good things in the area. The genocide came and they got orders to gtfo of there or they would die. They did. They left their villages and community centers and went home for a while. When they came back those same places were littered with bodies that they didn't even attempt to save. Would they have imaged that when they signed up to run clinics in Africa they would be part and parcel of a genocide through inaction and fear? Probably not, and yet that is how it ended up.

"I think it is because it is rarely the case that someone with integrity is all of a sudden leaving the house and gets the idea to join a crime syndicate and kill people." Not sure what this has to do with the thread topic.

"More like someone goes and does their job and slowly, incrementally and without their notice they are asked to do meaner and crueler things over the course of the job. Since it is just a job, who cares right? So they do what their bosses ask them because 'it isn't really that bad' and well the next time 'o this is like last time, so it's still ok...'. and Slowly slowly they are eaten up until they are making decisions and signing documents that they never would have believed they would do had those things been asked of them on their first week." If you are referring to how people can be controlled and manipulated yes this is sort of what is meant by an Empire doing bad things to people and people becoming what they hate, like pawns.

"There is always some justification for falling away from your values and it is rarely easy to see just when the 'moment' happened." It can at times be very easy to see and at times the reason can be harder to see. It often is scene through how someone reacts to threatening, stressful, situations. Nevertheless this is agreeable.

"An actual real life example, those workers for the UN peacekeepers in Rwanda in the 90s, at the time of the genocide. They were probably good people, they were running clinics and helping out and generally doing good things in the area. The genocide came and they got orders to gtfo of there or they would die. They did. They left their villages and community centers and went home for a while. When they came back those same places were littered with bodies that they didn't even attempt to save. Would they have imaged that when they signed up to run clinics in Africa they would be part and parcel of a genocide through inaction and fear? Probably not, and yet that is how it ended up." This is an extreme example of what happens when people trying to do good are caught in the crossfire of a bad situation that is out of their hands.

[Eveille]

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Eveille

I think it is because it is rarely the case that someone with integrity is all of a sudden leaving the house and gets the idea to join a crime syndicate and kill people.

More like someone goes and does their job and slowly, incrementally and without their notice they are asked to do meaner and crueler things over the course of the job. Since it is just a job, who cares right? So they do what their bosses ask them because 'it isn't really that bad' and well the next time 'o this is like last time, so it's still ok...'. and Slowly slowly they are eaten up until they are making decisions and signing documents that they never would have believed they would do had those things been asked of them on their first week.

There is always some justification for falling away from your values and it is rarely easy to see just when the 'moment' happened.

An actual real life example, those workers for the UN peacekeepers in Rwanda in the 90s, at the time of the genocide. They were probably good people, they were running clinics and helping out and generally doing good things in the area. The genocide came and they got orders to gtfo of there or they would die. They did. They left their villages and community centers and went home for a while. When they came back those same places were littered with bodies that they didn't even attempt to save. Would they have imaged that when they signed up to run clinics in Africa they would be part and parcel of a genocide through inaction and fear? Probably not, and yet that is how it ended up.

"I think it is because it is rarely the case that someone with integrity is all of a sudden leaving the house and gets the idea to join a crime syndicate and kill people." Not sure what this has to do with the thread topic.

"More like someone goes and does their job and slowly, incrementally and without their notice they are asked to do meaner and crueler things over the course of the job. Since it is just a job, who cares right? So they do what their bosses ask them because 'it isn't really that bad' and well the next time 'o this is like last time, so it's still ok...'. and Slowly slowly they are eaten up until they are making decisions and signing documents that they never would have believed they would do had those things been asked of them on their first week." If you are referring to how people can be controlled and manipulated yes this is sort of what is meant by an Empire doing bad things to people and people becoming what they hate, like pawns.

"There is always some justification for falling away from your values and it is rarely easy to see just when the 'moment' happened." It can at times be very easy to see and at times the reason can be harder to see. It often is scene through how someone reacts to threatening, stressful, situations. Nevertheless this is agreeable.

"An actual real life example, those workers for the UN peacekeepers in Rwanda in the 90s, at the time of the genocide. They were probably good people, they were running clinics and helping out and generally doing good things in the area. The genocide came and they got orders to gtfo of there or they would die. They did. They left their villages and community centers and went home for a while. When they came back those same places were littered with bodies that they didn't even attempt to save. Would they have imaged that when they signed up to run clinics in Africa they would be part and parcel of a genocide through inaction and fear? Probably not, and yet that is how it ended up." This is an extreme example of what happens when people trying to do good are caught in the crossfire of a bad situation that is out of their hands.

Interesting quote system @_@.

The beginning had to do with what I was going to say next. That is why it isn't good to break up people's posts.

I didn't mean that the Empire is some malevolent force out to get us all; but that we do it to ourselves. In small increments of justification that we don't notice; much like evolution, until someone completely different from what you were turns up as you. It's all about the choices and compromises we make and the justifications we give for the actions we do/don't take.

A bad situation being out of your hands is one of those justifications. Not saying about its validity or importance, simply that it is a justification for action or inaction and thus it is a reason for why we become what we become, even when we don't intend to do so.

[Sneaker Pimps]

Eveille

Sneaker Pimps

Eveille

I think it is because it is rarely the case that someone with integrity is all of a sudden leaving the house and gets the idea to join a crime syndicate and kill people.

More like someone goes and does their job and slowly, incrementally and without their notice they are asked to do meaner and crueler things over the course of the job. Since it is just a job, who cares right? So they do what their bosses ask them because 'it isn't really that bad' and well the next time 'o this is like last time, so it's still ok...'. and Slowly slowly they are eaten up until they are making decisions and signing documents that they never would have believed they would do had those things been asked of them on their first week.

There is always some justification for falling away from your values and it is rarely easy to see just when the 'moment' happened.

An actual real life example, those workers for the UN peacekeepers in Rwanda in the 90s, at the time of the genocide. They were probably good people, they were running clinics and helping out and generally doing good things in the area. The genocide came and they got orders to gtfo of there or they would die. They did. They left their villages and community centers and went home for a while. When they came back those same places were littered with bodies that they didn't even attempt to save. Would they have imaged that when they signed up to run clinics in Africa they would be part and parcel of a genocide through inaction and fear? Probably not, and yet that is how it ended up.

"I think it is because it is rarely the case that someone with integrity is all of a sudden leaving the house and gets the idea to join a crime syndicate and kill people." Not sure what this has to do with the thread topic.

"More like someone goes and does their job and slowly, incrementally and without their notice they are asked to do meaner and crueler things over the course of the job. Since it is just a job, who cares right? So they do what their bosses ask them because 'it isn't really that bad' and well the next time 'o this is like last time, so it's still ok...'. and Slowly slowly they are eaten up until they are making decisions and signing documents that they never would have believed they would do had those things been asked of them on their first week." If you are referring to how people can be controlled and manipulated yes this is sort of what is meant by an Empire doing bad things to people and people becoming what they hate, like pawns.

"There is always some justification for falling away from your values and it is rarely easy to see just when the 'moment' happened." It can at times be very easy to see and at times the reason can be harder to see. It often is scene through how someone reacts to threatening, stressful, situations. Nevertheless this is agreeable.

"An actual real life example, those workers for the UN peacekeepers in Rwanda in the 90s, at the time of the genocide. They were probably good people, they were running clinics and helping out and generally doing good things in the area. The genocide came and they got orders to gtfo of there or they would die. They did. They left their villages and community centers and went home for a while. When they came back those same places were littered with bodies that they didn't even attempt to save. Would they have imaged that when they signed up to run clinics in Africa they would be part and parcel of a genocide through inaction and fear? Probably not, and yet that is how it ended up." This is an extreme example of what happens when people trying to do good are caught in the crossfire of a bad situation that is out of their hands.

Interesting quote system @_@.

The beginning had to do with what I was going to say next. That is why it isn't good to break up people's posts.

I didn't mean that the Empire is some malevolent force out to get us all; but that we do it to ourselves. In small increments of justification that we don't notice; much like evolution, until someone completely different from what you were turns up as you. It's all about the choices and compromises we make and the justifications we give for the actions we do/don't take.

A bad situation being out of your hands is one of those justifications. Not saying about its validity or importance, simply that it is a justification for action or inaction and thus it is a reason for why we become what we become, even when we don't intend to do so.

Oh I understand what you mean no problem.

"but that we do it to ourselves." Perhaps we do.

"someone completely different from what you were turns up as you" It must be like betraying yourself and smashing the mirror reflective of yourself.

"It's all about the choices and compromises we make and the justifications we give for the actions we do/don't take. " However true that may be, would you lay down your own life for it like those people had to choose? Sometimes it's best to walk away or die, who knows.

"A bad situation being out of your hands is one of those justifications." True.

"a justification for action or inaction and thus it is a reason for why we become what we become," Very good point but I don't think this makes it a justification as to the choices we make making us who we are or who we are to become.

[Eveille]

Sneaker Pimps

Eveille

Sneaker Pimps

Eveille

I think it is because it is rarely the case that someone with integrity is all of a sudden leaving the house and gets the idea to join a crime syndicate and kill people.

More like someone goes and does their job and slowly, incrementally and without their notice they are asked to do meaner and crueler things over the course of the job. Since it is just a job, who cares right? So they do what their bosses ask them because 'it isn't really that bad' and well the next time 'o this is like last time, so it's still ok...'. and Slowly slowly they are eaten up until they are making decisions and signing documents that they never would have believed they would do had those things been asked of them on their first week.

There is always some justification for falling away from your values and it is rarely easy to see just when the 'moment' happened.

An actual real life example, those workers for the UN peacekeepers in Rwanda in the 90s, at the time of the genocide. They were probably good people, they were running clinics and helping out and generally doing good things in the area. The genocide came and they got orders to gtfo of there or they would die. They did. They left their villages and community centers and went home for a while. When they came back those same places were littered with bodies that they didn't even attempt to save. Would they have imaged that when they signed up to run clinics in Africa they would be part and parcel of a genocide through inaction and fear? Probably not, and yet that is how it ended up.

"I think it is because it is rarely the case that someone with integrity is all of a sudden leaving the house and gets the idea to join a crime syndicate and kill people." Not sure what this has to do with the thread topic.

"More like someone goes and does their job and slowly, incrementally and without their notice they are asked to do meaner and crueler things over the course of the job. Since it is just a job, who cares right? So they do what their bosses ask them because 'it isn't really that bad' and well the next time 'o this is like last time, so it's still ok...'. and Slowly slowly they are eaten up until they are making decisions and signing documents that they never would have believed they would do had those things been asked of them on their first week." If you are referring to how people can be controlled and manipulated yes this is sort of what is meant by an Empire doing bad things to people and people becoming what they hate, like pawns.

"There is always some justification for falling away from your values and it is rarely easy to see just when the 'moment' happened." It can at times be very easy to see and at times the reason can be harder to see. It often is scene through how someone reacts to threatening, stressful, situations. Nevertheless this is agreeable.

"An actual real life example, those workers for the UN peacekeepers in Rwanda in the 90s, at the time of the genocide. They were probably good people, they were running clinics and helping out and generally doing good things in the area. The genocide came and they got orders to gtfo of there or they would die. They did. They left their villages and community centers and went home for a while. When they came back those same places were littered with bodies that they didn't even attempt to save. Would they have imaged that when they signed up to run clinics in Africa they would be part and parcel of a genocide through inaction and fear? Probably not, and yet that is how it ended up." This is an extreme example of what happens when people trying to do good are caught in the crossfire of a bad situation that is out of their hands.

Interesting quote system @_@.

The beginning had to do with what I was going to say next. That is why it isn't good to break up people's posts.

I didn't mean that the Empire is some malevolent force out to get us all; but that we do it to ourselves. In small increments of justification that we don't notice; much like evolution, until someone completely different from what you were turns up as you. It's all about the choices and compromises we make and the justifications we give for the actions we do/don't take.

A bad situation being out of your hands is one of those justifications. Not saying about its validity or importance, simply that it is a justification for action or inaction and thus it is a reason for why we become what we become, even when we don't intend to do so.

Oh I understand what you mean no problem.

"but that we do it to ourselves." Perhaps we do.

"someone completely different from what you were turns up as you" It must be like betraying yourself and smashing the mirror reflective of yourself.

"It's all about the choices and compromises we make and the justifications we give for the actions we do/don't take. " However true that may be, would you lay down your own life for it like those people had to choose? Sometimes it's best to walk away or die, who knows.

"A bad situation being out of your hands is one of those justifications." True.

"a justification for action or inaction and thus it is a reason for why we become what we become," Very good point but I don't think this makes it a justification as to the choices we make making us who we are or who we are to become.

The Rwanda thing was more like:

Ask people, what would you do if you saw someone getting raped? Or if you knew a machete killer was going to attack a school? Or if you had a chance to save one person's life?

Most people would immediately claim how heroic they are, or how they'd call for help, or warn someone. I bet those UN employees were the same. They believed they would do the right thing too, most of us believe that because most of us believe we are good people. I doubt there's very many people out there who truly believe that they are bad people and like it that way O_o.

And yet, they didn't. They didn't do any of that, and that sort of inaction happens very frequently when people are faced with bad things. 'It isn't my business', 'I am not sure what is happening', 'I am not strong enough, smart enough, good enough to do anything'...etc.

So in the end we are the choices we make and the things we say...or don't.

[Sneaker Pimps]

Eveille

Sneaker Pimps

Eveille

Sneaker Pimps

Eveille

I think it is because it is rarely the case that someone with integrity is all of a sudden leaving the house and gets the idea to join a crime syndicate and kill people.

More like someone goes and does their job and slowly, incrementally and without their notice they are asked to do meaner and crueler things over the course of the job. Since it is just a job, who cares right? So they do what their bosses ask them because 'it isn't really that bad' and well the next time 'o this is like last time, so it's still ok...'. and Slowly slowly they are eaten up until they are making decisions and signing documents that they never would have believed they would do had those things been asked of them on their first week.

There is always some justification for falling away from your values and it is rarely easy to see just when the 'moment' happened.

An actual real life example, those workers for the UN peacekeepers in Rwanda in the 90s, at the time of the genocide. They were probably good people, they were running clinics and helping out and generally doing good things in the area. The genocide came and they got orders to gtfo of there or they would die. They did. They left their villages and community centers and went home for a while. When they came back those same places were littered with bodies that they didn't even attempt to save. Would they have imaged that when they signed up to run clinics in Africa they would be part and parcel of a genocide through inaction and fear? Probably not, and yet that is how it ended up.

"I think it is because it is rarely the case that someone with integrity is all of a sudden leaving the house and gets the idea to join a crime syndicate and kill people." Not sure what this has to do with the thread topic.

"More like someone goes and does their job and slowly, incrementally and without their notice they are asked to do meaner and crueler things over the course of the job. Since it is just a job, who cares right? So they do what their bosses ask them because 'it isn't really that bad' and well the next time 'o this is like last time, so it's still ok...'. and Slowly slowly they are eaten up until they are making decisions and signing documents that they never would have believed they would do had those things been asked of them on their first week." If you are referring to how people can be controlled and manipulated yes this is sort of what is meant by an Empire doing bad things to people and people becoming what they hate, like pawns.

"There is always some justification for falling away from your values and it is rarely easy to see just when the 'moment' happened." It can at times be very easy to see and at times the reason can be harder to see. It often is scene through how someone reacts to threatening, stressful, situations. Nevertheless this is agreeable.

"An actual real life example, those workers for the UN peacekeepers in Rwanda in the 90s, at the time of the genocide. They were probably good people, they were running clinics and helping out and generally doing good things in the area. The genocide came and they got orders to gtfo of there or they would die. They did. They left their villages and community centers and went home for a while. When they came back those same places were littered with bodies that they didn't even attempt to save. Would they have imaged that when they signed up to run clinics in Africa they would be part and parcel of a genocide through inaction and fear? Probably not, and yet that is how it ended up." This is an extreme example of what happens when people trying to do good are caught in the crossfire of a bad situation that is out of their hands.

Interesting quote system @_@.

The beginning had to do with what I was going to say next. That is why it isn't good to break up people's posts.

I didn't mean that the Empire is some malevolent force out to get us all; but that we do it to ourselves. In small increments of justification that we don't notice; much like evolution, until someone completely different from what you were turns up as you. It's all about the choices and compromises we make and the justifications we give for the actions we do/don't take.

A bad situation being out of your hands is one of those justifications. Not saying about its validity or importance, simply that it is a justification for action or inaction and thus it is a reason for why we become what we become, even when we don't intend to do so.

Oh I understand what you mean no problem.

"but that we do it to ourselves." Perhaps we do.

"someone completely different from what you were turns up as you" It must be like betraying yourself and smashing the mirror reflective of yourself.

"It's all about the choices and compromises we make and the justifications we give for the actions we do/don't take. " However true that may be, would you lay down your own life for it like those people had to choose? Sometimes it's best to walk away or die, who knows.

"A bad situation being out of your hands is one of those justifications." True.

"a justification for action or inaction and thus it is a reason for why we become what we become," Very good point but I don't think this makes it a justification as to the choices we make making us who we are or who we are to become.

The Rwanda thing was more like:

Ask people, what would you do if you saw someone getting raped? Or if you knew a machete killer was going to attack a school? Or if you had a chance to save one person's life?

Most people would immediately claim how heroic they are, or how they'd call for help, or warn someone. I bet those UN employees were the same. They believed they would do the right thing too, most of us believe that because most of us believe we are good people. I doubt there's very many people out there who truly believe that they are bad people and like it that way O_o.

And yet, they didn't. They didn't do any of that, and that sort of inaction happens very frequently when people are faced with bad things. 'It isn't my business', 'I am not sure what is happening', 'I am not strong enough, smart enough, good enough to do anything'...etc.

So in the end we are the choices we make and the things we say...or don't.

Yeah it was a horrific situation. A bad thing but like I said would anything have really changed the outcome.

[black_wing_angel]

Sneaker Pimps

‎"To fight the Empire is to be infected by its derangement ... Whoever defeats the Empire becomes the Empire; it proliferates like a virus ... thereby it becomes its enemies." - The Empire Never Ended - Philip K. d**k

How do we fight the empire if one becomes infected by it?

"Because it's a warning about not becoming what you are against. It's surprisingly easy to fall into the same pitfalls that those you are against have fallen. Visionary thinking (power, sex, money) leads to this."

Discuss (and related topics).

Is it sad, if the first thing that came to my mind, was Reyas from Red Dead Redemption?

The man fought a bloody war, to free Mexico from the tyrannical grip of Allende, and yet, in only 3 years, he became the very same tyrant he once dethroned.

Then again, he was always a self-centered jack-a**. So it was only inevitable.

Also, speaking of fighting what we do not wish to become...

No!!!! I reject!!! I...don't...want...to....be.......a............brony!!! scream

[Sneaker Pimps]

black_wing_angel

Sneaker Pimps

‎"To fight the Empire is to be infected by its derangement ... Whoever defeats the Empire becomes the Empire; it proliferates like a virus ... thereby it becomes its enemies." - The Empire Never Ended - Philip K. d**k

How do we fight the empire if one becomes infected by it?

"Because it's a warning about not becoming what you are against. It's surprisingly easy to fall into the same pitfalls that those you are against have fallen. Visionary thinking (power, sex, money) leads to this."

Discuss (and related topics).

Is it sad, if the first thing that came to my mind, was Reyas from Red Dead Redemption?

The man fought a bloody war, to free Mexico from the tyrannical grip of Allende, and yet, in only 3 years, he became the very same tyrant he once dethroned.

Then again, he was always a self-centered jack-a**. So it was only inevitable.

Also, speaking of fighting what we do not wish to become...

No!!!! I reject!!! I...don't...want...to....be.......a............brony!!! scream

That is interesting.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Sneaker Pimps

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If you are strong in who you are, it will be almost impossible to become what you are not, while being almost effortless to stay true to what you believe.

Conversely, if you are not in touch with yourself and weakly connected to your sense of self, it will be easy to become what you are not and very difficult to stay true to what you believe.

"If you are strong in who you are, it will be almost impossible to become what you are not, while being almost effortless to stay true to what you believe." Very true however many sadly are not this strong when it comes down to the time when your strength will be tested.

"Conversely, if you are not in touch with yourself and weakly connected to your sense of self, it will be easy to become what you are not and very difficult to stay true to what you believe." Very true but many are not as in touch with themselves as we would like to believe they are. I do not give credit if the credit is not credible. It's not that I don't believe in people it's that people are disappointing most of the time.

Cant say how many people are that strong. Never took a study or something.

I believe that people who see so much 'disappointment' often have trouble seeing anything.

I understand however I don't lack an ability to see. I don't think anybody truly lacks the ability to see. Some are just "turning a blind eye" at times, perhaps.

I think some do. I think people who see the world or people in mostly pessimistic terms do.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

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Riviera de la Mancha

Inconsistent With Reality

Yes. Invariably, people who have fought or been subjected to great evil will at some point fill the void left by that evil and suffer the same fate. However, the atrocities they commit become incrementally less severe with each cycle, and such is progress in all its sickening glory.

Yeah... no. The nicest people I have met in my life went through some tough stuff.

Some times there is a darkness within people that we cannot see at first but nevertheless it is there. It is within us all, whether we want to admit it or not.

Again, the axiom is incorrect. The nicest people in my life have been through the most painful of things. His argument was that invariably people who have suffered great evil will fill the void left. I am saying they dont invariably do so.

[Sneaker Pimps]

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Riviera de la Mancha

Inconsistent With Reality

Yes. Invariably, people who have fought or been subjected to great evil will at some point fill the void left by that evil and suffer the same fate. However, the atrocities they commit become incrementally less severe with each cycle, and such is progress in all its sickening glory.

Yeah... no. The nicest people I have met in my life went through some tough stuff.

Some times there is a darkness within people that we cannot see at first but nevertheless it is there. It is within us all, whether we want to admit it or not.

Again, the axiom is incorrect. The nicest people in my life have been through the most painful of things. His argument was that invariably people who have suffered great evil will fill the void left. I am saying they dont invariably do so.

A void will be filled somehow, through some action, good, bad, or ugly.

[Sneaker Pimps]

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If you are strong in who you are, it will be almost impossible to become what you are not, while being almost effortless to stay true to what you believe.

Conversely, if you are not in touch with yourself and weakly connected to your sense of self, it will be easy to become what you are not and very difficult to stay true to what you believe.

"If you are strong in who you are, it will be almost impossible to become what you are not, while being almost effortless to stay true to what you believe." Very true however many sadly are not this strong when it comes down to the time when your strength will be tested.

"Conversely, if you are not in touch with yourself and weakly connected to your sense of self, it will be easy to become what you are not and very difficult to stay true to what you believe." Very true but many are not as in touch with themselves as we would like to believe they are. I do not give credit if the credit is not credible. It's not that I don't believe in people it's that people are disappointing most of the time.

Cant say how many people are that strong. Never took a study or something.

I believe that people who see so much 'disappointment' often have trouble seeing anything.

I understand however I don't lack an ability to see. I don't think anybody truly lacks the ability to see. Some are just "turning a blind eye" at times, perhaps.

I think some do. I think people who see the world or people in mostly pessimistic terms do.

The same things applies here everyone sometimes pulls the wool over their eyes even sometimes on purpose.

[Kiumaru]

Inconsistent With Reality

Yes. Invariably, people who have fought or been subjected to great evil will at some point fill the void left by that evil and suffer the same fate. However, the atrocities they commit become incrementally less severe with each cycle, and such is progress in all its sickening glory.

Sounds pretty Hegelian. Have you been reading into his Master-Slave dialectic or have you been reading Marx?

[Sneaker Pimps]

Kiumaru

Inconsistent With Reality

Yes. Invariably, people who have fought or been subjected to great evil will at some point fill the void left by that evil and suffer the same fate. However, the atrocities they commit become incrementally less severe with each cycle, and such is progress in all its sickening glory.

Sounds pretty Hegelian. Have you been reading into his Master-Slave dialectic or have you been reading Marx?

rofl

[Kiumaru]

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Inconsistent With Reality

Yes. Invariably, people who have fought or been subjected to great evil will at some point fill the void left by that evil and suffer the same fate. However, the atrocities they commit become incrementally less severe with each cycle, and such is progress in all its sickening glory.

Yeah... no. The nicest people I have met in my life went through some tough stuff.

Some times there is a darkness within people that we cannot see at first but nevertheless it is there. It is within us all, whether we want to admit it or not.

Again, the axiom is incorrect. The nicest people in my life have been through the most painful of things. His argument was that invariably people who have suffered great evil will fill the void left. I am saying they dont invariably do so.

A void will be filled somehow, through some action, good, bad, or ugly.

Well, if the void is filled without establishing an empire, that sort of defeats the idea that one empire needs to fill the void of another.

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Inconsistent With Reality

Yes. Invariably, people who have fought or been subjected to great evil will at some point fill the void left by that evil and suffer the same fate. However, the atrocities they commit become incrementally less severe with each cycle, and such is progress in all its sickening glory.

Yeah... no. The nicest people I have met in my life went through some tough stuff.

Some times there is a darkness within people that we cannot see at first but nevertheless it is there. It is within us all, whether we want to admit it or not.

Again, the axiom is incorrect. The nicest people in my life have been through the most painful of things. His argument was that invariably people who have suffered great evil will fill the void left. I am saying they dont invariably do so.

A void will be filled somehow, through some action, good, bad, or ugly.

Well, if the void is filled without establishing an empire, that sort of defeats the idea that one empire needs to fill the void of another.

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