The other day I realized... Halloween is racist!

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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Pale people scare me.

Put a hot latina or south asian/ middle eastern chick in a costume, and shoot, I may buy it for mahself. rofl

PS: I impulse buy based solely upon appearances.

First, I would like to personally thank you for your donation.

I merely just posted inorder to raise considerations on the person's statement.

You're welcome. biggrin

I know. It just reminds me of something my dad said once. Granted, he's not the most... accepting of people of color, but he's not outright hostile and can grow to accept groups. He said something to the effect of that if people wanted more diversity in advertising, they'd get it. Then again, I dunno. Like, Old Navy ads are rather diverse, from what I've seen, but not other things. Perhaps it's a risk analysis going on, and the ad agencies predict negative reaction to more diverse commercials. As for me, I could stand to see some melanin. 3nodding

I would agree with your father. I also tend to agree with sociologists in that, if we are to truly analyze society with a view to racism and equality, we must ask why things are so, not merely note them.

Of course of course. 3nodding

(Now I wish I could take more Soci classes. crying No moar electives...)

I might consider a minor in the subject. Its been interesting to study as incidental to my major.

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Man, halloween isnt racist. know your history.

I THINK you're trying to say that costume makers are racist. That being said, you really have to try and put yourself in their place. Really, when it comes to choosing a model, the company will need to choose the type of person they think will best appeal to the masses and thus, sell more.

The choice of white men and women to be used as poster-boards is definitely not limited to halloween companies. The media (in america) if you haven't noticed, is very white dominant.
This is a kind of sad thing, but it can only change with time and acceptance. (hopefully the process will be sped up by the increasing mexican population in the US)

when you think about it though, just because the costumes have a picture of a white person on them does not mean a person of different color can't wear them.

One must ask though why a person of color is not an appealing model for mainstream America or why race is even considered as a market affect and thus must be catered to.

neither of you have ANY bases on that statement.. black people arnt a mainstream model choice? the model and fashion world are FILLED with talented and well paid people of EVERY denomination. fashion and art isnt corrupted by racism and intolerance. being black wont stop u from being a model, and being white wont advance you. in order to prove that, ud have to disprove the fact that america's next top model STILL airs... damn you tyra.... damn you....

hmm.. i wish oprah would get on the ball and have a fashion tv series. XD

I am not speaking of the fashion world. I am speaking merely to question the person's statement, which does not take time to analyze why such marketing tactics work so much so that most companies adopt them.

The rest of your claims are totally irrelevant. I would ask you to also deeply question how many models of color there are in the business, when they are used, and where they are used. Your statement, "fashion and art isnt corrupted by racism and intolerance." would also benefit from another reconsideration.

i think you would benefit from stop asking so many questions and asking people to research information that u should and do have the resources urself to find out. typically, someone of your intellect would consider coming up with rational opinions without having to demand someone form a focus group to figure out what is inheritely logical.

SHE said costume models. it is without form to base an argument on a topic that is irrelevent. so maybe you have some reconsidering to do. her statement was about costume models and how they could be they are simply adhering to what the people what. then you asked why a model of color was not appealing to mainstream america... marketing STARTS with modeling. if you dont have the right models, then u product wouldnt sell.. you dont know how many times as a professional photographer i had young models come into the studio for a shoot that advertised phones with extra large buttons for the older and more handicapped buyers. modeling fits into marketing. so before u start blabbin off, ill also tell you to give ur ears the same treatment u give ur mouth. that way, you dont make urself seem like the opposite end of ur mouth with all types of things flying out.

I ask people to research because knowledge is best diseminated when one must work for it, not just have it spat at them. As Lavar Burton used to say on Reading Rainbow, "But dont take my word for it...".

Indeed, she did say costume models, which is my point; one must not just note that there are more white costume models and simply say that this is so because it is more appealing to buyers. One must ask also why is this so appealing to buyers if there is to be a complete analysis.

Again, beyond the first few sentences of the second paragraph, the rest is either ad hominem or irrelevant.

my point is to stop jumping around facts. you talk all this mojo jojo about asking why is this so appealing to buyers when in retrospect, the question you are asking why to is not a true statement. lets take it back to 3rd grade, shall we? you have a science project.. you must come up with a thesis. your thesis is 'why does the boogeyman live in the closet'... sure. its a question to an answer that hasnt been found yet, BUT, the question is flawed in that part, or all of the given variables are not factual. if ANY of the variables in the question are not based on fact, then you have 1 of two outcomes. you come up with a flawed conclusion, or you spend ur entire life looking for an answer that isnt there.

the statement to begin with is false. so stop asking questions, and find a statement suitable for discussion. like why the hell are u quoting Lavar Burton?

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

Pale people scare me.

Put a hot latina or south asian/ middle eastern chick in a costume, and shoot, I may buy it for mahself. rofl

PS: I impulse buy based solely upon appearances.

First, I would like to personally thank you for your donation.

I merely just posted inorder to raise considerations on the person's statement.

You're welcome. biggrin

I know. It just reminds me of something my dad said once. Granted, he's not the most... accepting of people of color, but he's not outright hostile and can grow to accept groups. He said something to the effect of that if people wanted more diversity in advertising, they'd get it. Then again, I dunno. Like, Old Navy ads are rather diverse, from what I've seen, but not other things. Perhaps it's a risk analysis going on, and the ad agencies predict negative reaction to more diverse commercials. As for me, I could stand to see some melanin. 3nodding

I would agree with your father. I also tend to agree with sociologists in that, if we are to truly analyze society with a view to racism and equality, we must ask why things are so, not merely note them.

Of course of course. 3nodding

(Now I wish I could take more Soci classes. crying No moar electives...)

I might consider a minor in the subject. Its been interesting to study as incidental to my major.

Wish I had the time. I'm not likely to afford college after the 4 year deadline, and my time is almost up, so I'm stuck, regrettably. Psyc and Soci are loads of fun. crying

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Dark Seraphim Seth

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neither of you have ANY bases on that statement.. black people arnt a mainstream model choice? the model and fashion world are FILLED with talented and well paid people of EVERY denomination. fashion and art isnt corrupted by racism and intolerance. being black wont stop u from being a model, and being white wont advance you. in order to prove that, ud have to disprove the fact that america's next top model STILL airs... damn you tyra.... damn you....

hmm.. i wish oprah would get on the ball and have a fashion tv series. XD

I am not speaking of the fashion world. I am speaking merely to question the person's statement, which does not take time to analyze why such marketing tactics work so much so that most companies adopt them.

The rest of your claims are totally irrelevant. I would ask you to also deeply question how many models of color there are in the business, when they are used, and where they are used. Your statement, "fashion and art isnt corrupted by racism and intolerance." would also benefit from another reconsideration.

i think you would benefit from stop asking so many questions and asking people to research information that u should and do have the resources urself to find out. typically, someone of your intellect would consider coming up with rational opinions without having to demand someone form a focus group to figure out what is inheritely logical.

SHE said costume models. it is without form to base an argument on a topic that is irrelevent. so maybe you have some reconsidering to do. her statement was about costume models and how they could be they are simply adhering to what the people what. then you asked why a model of color was not appealing to mainstream america... marketing STARTS with modeling. if you dont have the right models, then u product wouldnt sell.. you dont know how many times as a professional photographer i had young models come into the studio for a shoot that advertised phones with extra large buttons for the older and more handicapped buyers. modeling fits into marketing. so before u start blabbin off, ill also tell you to give ur ears the same treatment u give ur mouth. that way, you dont make urself seem like the opposite end of ur mouth with all types of things flying out.

I ask people to research because knowledge is best diseminated when one must work for it, not just have it spat at them. As Lavar Burton used to say on Reading Rainbow, "But dont take my word for it...".

Indeed, she did say costume models, which is my point; one must not just note that there are more white costume models and simply say that this is so because it is more appealing to buyers. One must ask also why is this so appealing to buyers if there is to be a complete analysis.

Again, beyond the first few sentences of the second paragraph, the rest is either ad hominem or irrelevant.

my point is to stop jumping around facts. you talk all this mojo jojo about asking why is this so appealing to buyers when in retrospect, the question you are asking why to is not a true statement. lets take it back to 3rd grade, shall we? you have a science project.. you must come up with a thesis. your thesis is 'why does the boogeyman live in the closet'... sure. its a question to an answer that hasnt been found yet, BUT, the question is flawed in that part, or all of the given variables are not factual. if ANY of the variables in the question are not based on fact, then you have 1 of two outcomes. you come up with a flawed conclusion, or you spend ur entire life looking for an answer that isnt there.

the statement to begin with is false. so stop asking questions, and find a statement suitable for discussion. like why the hell are u quoting Lavar Burton?

All statements are true statements by virtue of their being made. Not true in an empirical sense, but true as to their existence.

Are you meaning to say that racism is like the boogey man- non-existent? I have no idea what this collection of words means beyond this. Please be more concise.

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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You're welcome. biggrin

I know. It just reminds me of something my dad said once. Granted, he's not the most... accepting of people of color, but he's not outright hostile and can grow to accept groups. He said something to the effect of that if people wanted more diversity in advertising, they'd get it. Then again, I dunno. Like, Old Navy ads are rather diverse, from what I've seen, but not other things. Perhaps it's a risk analysis going on, and the ad agencies predict negative reaction to more diverse commercials. As for me, I could stand to see some melanin. 3nodding

I would agree with your father. I also tend to agree with sociologists in that, if we are to truly analyze society with a view to racism and equality, we must ask why things are so, not merely note them.

Of course of course. 3nodding

(Now I wish I could take more Soci classes. crying No moar electives...)

I might consider a minor in the subject. Its been interesting to study as incidental to my major.

Wish I had the time. I'm not likely to afford college after the 4 year deadline, and my time is almost up, so I'm stuck, regrettably. Psyc and Soci are loads of fun. crying

I am stuck due to not meeting the state 120 unit limitation. I will have the Gov. B.A. and the Phil. Minor, but no diploma. So, until I can apply to law school, I figure it will be an effective use of my time.

[Vice Admiral Romeo Mike]

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

You're welcome. biggrin

I know. It just reminds me of something my dad said once. Granted, he's not the most... accepting of people of color, but he's not outright hostile and can grow to accept groups. He said something to the effect of that if people wanted more diversity in advertising, they'd get it. Then again, I dunno. Like, Old Navy ads are rather diverse, from what I've seen, but not other things. Perhaps it's a risk analysis going on, and the ad agencies predict negative reaction to more diverse commercials. As for me, I could stand to see some melanin. 3nodding

I would agree with your father. I also tend to agree with sociologists in that, if we are to truly analyze society with a view to racism and equality, we must ask why things are so, not merely note them.

Of course of course. 3nodding

(Now I wish I could take more Soci classes. crying No moar electives...)

I might consider a minor in the subject. Its been interesting to study as incidental to my major.

Wish I had the time. I'm not likely to afford college after the 4 year deadline, and my time is almost up, so I'm stuck, regrettably. Psyc and Soci are loads of fun. crying

I am stuck due to not meeting the state 120 unit limitation. I will have the Gov. B.A. and the Phil. Minor, but no diploma. So, until I can apply to law school, I figure it will be an effective use of my time.

I'm rapidly approaching that 120, and I'm barely going to fit my INTL A.B. That's what I get, I suppose, for changing my mind halfway through college. sad

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mojo jojo

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neither of you have ANY bases on that statement.. black people arnt a mainstream model choice? the model and fashion world are FILLED with talented and well paid people of EVERY denomination. fashion and art isnt corrupted by racism and intolerance. being black wont stop u from being a model, and being white wont advance you. in order to prove that, ud have to disprove the fact that america's next top model STILL airs... damn you tyra.... damn you....

hmm.. i wish oprah would get on the ball and have a fashion tv series. XD

I am not speaking of the fashion world. I am speaking merely to question the person's statement, which does not take time to analyze why such marketing tactics work so much so that most companies adopt them.

The rest of your claims are totally irrelevant. I would ask you to also deeply question how many models of color there are in the business, when they are used, and where they are used. Your statement, "fashion and art isnt corrupted by racism and intolerance." would also benefit from another reconsideration.

i think you would benefit from stop asking so many questions and asking people to research information that u should and do have the resources urself to find out. typically, someone of your intellect would consider coming up with rational opinions without having to demand someone form a focus group to figure out what is inheritely logical.

SHE said costume models. it is without form to base an argument on a topic that is irrelevent. so maybe you have some reconsidering to do. her statement was about costume models and how they could be they are simply adhering to what the people what. then you asked why a model of color was not appealing to mainstream america... marketing STARTS with modeling. if you dont have the right models, then u product wouldnt sell.. you dont know how many times as a professional photographer i had young models come into the studio for a shoot that advertised phones with extra large buttons for the older and more handicapped buyers. modeling fits into marketing. so before u start blabbin off, ill also tell you to give ur ears the same treatment u give ur mouth. that way, you dont make urself seem like the opposite end of ur mouth with all types of things flying out.

I ask people to research because knowledge is best diseminated when one must work for it, not just have it spat at them. As Lavar Burton used to say on Reading Rainbow, "But dont take my word for it...".

Indeed, she did say costume models, which is my point; one must not just note that there are more white costume models and simply say that this is so because it is more appealing to buyers. One must ask also why is this so appealing to buyers if there is to be a complete analysis.

Again, beyond the first few sentences of the second paragraph, the rest is either ad hominem or irrelevant.

my point is to stop jumping around facts. you talk all this mojo jojo about asking why is this so appealing to buyers when in retrospect, the question you are asking why to is not a true statement. lets take it back to 3rd grade, shall we? you have a science project.. you must come up with a thesis. your thesis is 'why does the boogeyman live in the closet'... sure. its a question to an answer that hasnt been found yet, BUT, the question is flawed in that part, or all of the given variables are not factual. if ANY of the variables in the question are not based on fact, then you have 1 of two outcomes. you come up with a flawed conclusion, or you spend ur entire life looking for an answer that isnt there.

the statement to begin with is false. so stop asking questions, and find a statement suitable for discussion. like why the hell are u quoting Lavar Burton?

All statements are true statements by virtue of their being made. Not true in an empirical sense, but true as to their existence.

Are you meaning to say that racism is like the boogey man- non-existent? I have no idea what this collection of words means beyond this. Please be more concise.

sigh.. to act so smart, u are so dumb. and i mean that in the most non threatening of ways. the fact remains that if you cannot be given two variables, and u cannot plug them in to make your own conclusion, then i pity you. you are using flawed reasoing, which is frowned upon when making an argument, mainly because deductive reasoing is used to make arguments, or fact basedon logical statements.

your reasoning?

racism is like the boogey man... therefore, it is non-existent. your bases for that argument wernt on fact, but however based on statements pulled from a sentence and repositioned to form an argument. i made the example that STATEMENTS based on flawed or invalid statements is, therefore, invalid. and then i used comparison to make the boogey man statement. YOU, took that statement, and inferred that racism is like the boogey man.

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haha. i effin love you. XD

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Dark Seraphim Seth

@miatheorigin if i hear u say 'hypothetically' 1 more effin time ill completely and fully realize how ignorant u really are. stop trying to sound smart...

Okay, though I wasn't trying to sound smart in the first place. I'll be the first to tell you I'm an idiot =3? I just used the words that came to mind in the order they came to mind. Anything else?

[Dark Seraphim Seth]

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Wish I had the time. I'm not likely to afford college after the 4 year deadline, and my time is almost up, so I'm stuck, regrettably. Psyc and Soci are loads of fun. crying

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I am stuck due to not meeting the state 120 unit limitation. I will have the Gov. B.A. and the Phil. Minor, but no diploma. So, until I can apply to law school, I figure it will be an effective use of my time.

I'm rapidly approaching that 120, and I'm barely going to fit my INTL A.B. That's what I get, I suppose, for changing my mind halfway through college. sad

technically, the amount of credits u have wont affect going to a graduate school or reaching ur masters in a field even if you go over the 120 credits. idk what u have been told, but there are people with 140 credits and only 120 apply to their masters. the 120 is all that u can apply to a specific masters and use to transfer out of undergrad into a graduate program. ive been studying psych at ucla and changed my major to biotech. the unwanted credits in psych wont affect me adversely. so dont even worry about nor make that an excuse to finish up school. and if, somehow ur at ur 4 years of school, and dont have the credits u need, then take an undergraduate program at either ur school or a JC. if ur lucky, the courses u need will be there. it will only take a little bit more time. but ive seen it done. both of u arnt screwed by far.. being screwed would be not having enough credits trying to transfer out as an undergrad to another college because no other universities have your course that you need for ur degree.... thats being screwed..

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MiaTheOrigin

Dark Seraphim Seth

@miatheorigin if i hear u say 'hypothetically' 1 more effin time ill completely and fully realize how ignorant u really are. stop trying to sound smart...

Okay, though I wasn't trying to sound smart in the first place. I'll be the first to tell you I'm an idiot =3? I just used the words that came to mind in the order they came to mind. Anything else?

ill quote myself....

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IT WAS THE HYPOTHETICAL GIRL!!!... here are her statements...

"Also take into account that through marketing research they discovered, hypothetically speaking, that whites were more likely to buy a costume from the store and blacks were more likely not if they did it was the pimp. Something like that."

and then she goes on to say this...

"Hypothetically speaking, I in know way presented it as fact. I offered a plausible solution as to why it may appear that way. "They did marketing research and discovered, hypothetically speaking..." Is how I meant to present it. I know I get pretty confusing most of the time."

ok.. i take it back... you ARE as dumb as u sound... first u say its based on marketing research, and then u say u didnt present it as fact.. yea.. i dont need an argument here...

i long since called u dumb... so ur basically stating old news.

there will be nothing else unless u want to continue this...whatever u wanna call it... slaughter???

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"..."

Let me put it in another way for you. "Maybe what happened is, they did marketing research or something? They found that whites were more likely to buy..." You should have been able to deduce that on you're own. Since your such a superior being. Oh Hypothetical? Hypothetical, Hypothetical. Oh I'm sorry did I need your approval? Did I need you to define who I am? No, nice try though =3!

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MiaTheOrigin

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Let me put it in another way for you. "Maybe what happened is, they did marketing research or something? They found that whites were more likely to buy..." You should have been able to deduce that on your own. Since your such a superior being. Oh Hypothetical? Hypothetical, Hypothetical. Oh I'm sorry did I need your approval? Did I need you to define who I am? No, nice try though =3!

your statements were all i needed. you said. THROUGH MARKETING RESEARCH, THEY FOUND.... that means that by some way, form, or method, u saw that they (whoever they are) did research and found out that white people are more likely to buy costumes... and then at the end, you said, 'something along those lines' to make it seems like what u said was accurate, and depicted the fact that there was research done on this very subject, and that the answer had stumbled into your hands. and i should have been able to deduce what? that what u have to sayin this forum will forever be marked as hogwash due to ur lack of ability to mention your faults when u try to provide knowledge that isnt based on facts, but ignorant self thought? then after that, maybe you should look up the definition of the word and try to figure out what it means before u get ur pretty little fragile mind entangled into things you cant comprehend let alone spell right without the means of spellchecker.

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Halloween isn't racist. It strives to ******** mankind equally.