The other day I realized... Halloween is racist!

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Ofcourse you don't care, you're probably white.

That's racist.

[Gotmuse]

Man, halloween isnt racist. know your history.

I THINK you're trying to say that costume makers are racist. That being said, you really have to try and put yourself in their place. Really, when it comes to choosing a model, the company will need to choose the type of person they think will best appeal to the masses and thus, sell more.

The choice of white men and women to be used as poster-boards is definitely not limited to halloween companies. The media (in america) if you haven't noticed, is very white dominant.
This is a kind of sad thing, but it can only change with time and acceptance. (hopefully the process will be sped up by the increasing mexican population in the US)

when you think about it though, just because the costumes have a picture of a white person on them does not mean a person of different color can't wear them.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Gotmuse

Man, halloween isnt racist. know your history.

I THINK you're trying to say that costume makers are racist. That being said, you really have to try and put yourself in their place. Really, when it comes to choosing a model, the company will need to choose the type of person they think will best appeal to the masses and thus, sell more.

The choice of white men and women to be used as poster-boards is definitely not limited to halloween companies. The media (in america) if you haven't noticed, is very white dominant.
This is a kind of sad thing, but it can only change with time and acceptance. (hopefully the process will be sped up by the increasing mexican population in the US)

when you think about it though, just because the costumes have a picture of a white person on them does not mean a person of different color can't wear them.

One must ask though why a person of color is not an appealing model for mainstream America or why race is even considered as a market affect and thus must be catered to.

[Dark Seraphim Seth]

@miatheorigin if i hear u say 'hypothetically' 1 more effin time ill completely and fully realize how ignorant u really are. stop trying to sound smart...

@ everyone else posting here.. listen really clearly, and hopefully u will obtain some sort of knowledge from ACTUAL factual informative consideration... lol. (i made that sound smart and drawn out, hypothetically... )

racist in definition, is

rac⋅ism
  /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
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–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

so.. to be racist, ud either have to 1, believe that u are greater, or possess more power than an entire race or group of people based solely on ethnicity, origin, creed, or regional standing.... this isnt the case with halloween...

2. discrimination based on above mention political and demographical nature.... once again, there is no evidence here..

3. hatred, or intolerance of another race, (that last one spoke for itself... )

plainly speaking, this ISNT racist.. not even the packaging is racist... me being a photographer, and having done modeling myself, i KNOW that there is nothing racial about this. simply, the models hired happen to be white. plain and simple. noone is carrying over that all pimps should be black.. but the model selected for the photoshoot was a black man. ive seen pimp outfits with white men.. also, u looked at 1 company as far as those first sets of photos. to make ur statement even REMOTELY close to acurate, ud have to gather packaging from EVERY costume shop in the world to state that halloween is in fact racist.

there is no gain from placing a person of a certain color on a package to sell a product, and whoever said that retarded a** statistic saying whites are more likely to buy costumes is indeed a retard, and yes, im calling u out, because i GUARANTEE you wont find proof of any statistic like that.. wait.. who was it that said that...

IT WAS THE HYPOTHETICAL GIRL!!!... here are her statements...

"Also take into account that through marketing research they discovered, hypothetically speaking, that whites were more likely to buy a costume from the store and blacks were more likely not if they did it was the pimp. Something like that."

and then she goes on to say this...

"Hypothetically speaking, I in know way presented it as fact. I offered a plausible solution as to why it may appear that way. "They did marketing research and discovered, hypothetically speaking..." Is how I meant to present it. I know I get pretty confusing most of the time."

ok.. i take it back... you ARE as dumb as u sound... first u say its based on marketing research, and then u say u didnt present it as fact.. yea.. i dont need an argument here...

put it this way. Halloween is meant to be enjoyed by everyone. it has nothing to do with packaging... because u could say it racist that the KNOWN halloween colors are orange and... DUN DUN DUN!!!... BLACK!!! omg... it must be racist because there it is.. halloween represents mischief and trickery and they associate it with black.. so they must be talking about blacks....

listen.. people who thing like this are plain and simply out of their mind.. find something better to do like carve a pumpkin or pick out a costume that has black people on the cover and are not pimps..... 0_0 all you are doing is turning another thing meant to be fun and making it into a racial debate. its a packaging model for christs sake... do u think the photographer was like, 'oh yea.. i dont want blacks in this photoshoot.. but save toby for the pimp outfit.. he will be perfect'.. no.. NOONE is doing that.. so get it out of ur minds people. gah.. i hope i set this room strait.. if not, there is no help for ANY of you. smile

i accept friend requests... that is, from anybody besides the hypothetical girl....

[Vice Admiral Romeo Mike]

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Gotmuse

Man, halloween isnt racist. know your history.

I THINK you're trying to say that costume makers are racist. That being said, you really have to try and put yourself in their place. Really, when it comes to choosing a model, the company will need to choose the type of person they think will best appeal to the masses and thus, sell more.

The choice of white men and women to be used as poster-boards is definitely not limited to halloween companies. The media (in america) if you haven't noticed, is very white dominant.
This is a kind of sad thing, but it can only change with time and acceptance. (hopefully the process will be sped up by the increasing mexican population in the US)

when you think about it though, just because the costumes have a picture of a white person on them does not mean a person of different color can't wear them.

One must ask though why a person of color is not an appealing model for mainstream America or why race is even considered as a market affect and thus must be catered to.

Pale people scare me.

Put a hot latina or south asian/ middle eastern chick in a costume, and shoot, I may buy it for mahself. rofl

PS: I impulse buy based solely upon appearances.

[Riviera de la Mancha]

Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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Gotmuse

Man, halloween isnt racist. know your history.

I THINK you're trying to say that costume makers are racist. That being said, you really have to try and put yourself in their place. Really, when it comes to choosing a model, the company will need to choose the type of person they think will best appeal to the masses and thus, sell more.

The choice of white men and women to be used as poster-boards is definitely not limited to halloween companies. The media (in america) if you haven't noticed, is very white dominant.
This is a kind of sad thing, but it can only change with time and acceptance. (hopefully the process will be sped up by the increasing mexican population in the US)

when you think about it though, just because the costumes have a picture of a white person on them does not mean a person of different color can't wear them.

One must ask though why a person of color is not an appealing model for mainstream America or why race is even considered as a market affect and thus must be catered to.

Pale people scare me.

Put a hot latina or south asian/ middle eastern chick in a costume, and shoot, I may buy it for mahself. rofl

PS: I impulse buy based solely upon appearances.

First, I would like to personally thank you for your donation.

I merely just posted inorder to raise considerations on the person's statement.

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Dark Seraphim Seth

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Gotmuse

Man, halloween isnt racist. know your history.

I THINK you're trying to say that costume makers are racist. That being said, you really have to try and put yourself in their place. Really, when it comes to choosing a model, the company will need to choose the type of person they think will best appeal to the masses and thus, sell more.

The choice of white men and women to be used as poster-boards is definitely not limited to halloween companies. The media (in america) if you haven't noticed, is very white dominant.
This is a kind of sad thing, but it can only change with time and acceptance. (hopefully the process will be sped up by the increasing mexican population in the US)

when you think about it though, just because the costumes have a picture of a white person on them does not mean a person of different color can't wear them.

One must ask though why a person of color is not an appealing model for mainstream America or why race is even considered as a market affect and thus must be catered to.

neither of you have ANY bases on that statement.. black people arnt a mainstream model choice? the model and fashion world are FILLED with talented and well paid people of EVERY denomination. fashion and art isnt corrupted by racism and intolerance. being black wont stop u from being a model, and being white wont advance you. in order to prove that, ud have to disprove the fact that america's next top model STILL airs... damn you tyra.... damn you....

hmm.. i wish oprah would get on the ball and have a fashion tv series. XD

I am not speaking of the fashion world. I am speaking merely to question the person's statement, which does not take time to analyze why such marketing tactics work so much so that most companies adopt them.

The rest of your claims are totally irrelevant. I would ask you to also deeply question how many models of color there are in the business, when they are used, and where they are used. Your statement, "fashion and art isnt corrupted by racism and intolerance." would also benefit from another reconsideration.

[Vice Admiral Romeo Mike]

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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Gotmuse

Man, halloween isnt racist. know your history.

I THINK you're trying to say that costume makers are racist. That being said, you really have to try and put yourself in their place. Really, when it comes to choosing a model, the company will need to choose the type of person they think will best appeal to the masses and thus, sell more.

The choice of white men and women to be used as poster-boards is definitely not limited to halloween companies. The media (in america) if you haven't noticed, is very white dominant.
This is a kind of sad thing, but it can only change with time and acceptance. (hopefully the process will be sped up by the increasing mexican population in the US)

when you think about it though, just because the costumes have a picture of a white person on them does not mean a person of different color can't wear them.

One must ask though why a person of color is not an appealing model for mainstream America or why race is even considered as a market affect and thus must be catered to.

Pale people scare me.

Put a hot latina or south asian/ middle eastern chick in a costume, and shoot, I may buy it for mahself. rofl

PS: I impulse buy based solely upon appearances.

First, I would like to personally thank you for your donation.

I merely just posted inorder to raise considerations on the person's statement.

You're welcome. biggrin

I know. It just reminds me of something my dad said once. Granted, he's not the most... accepting of people of color, but he's not outright hostile and can grow to accept groups. He said something to the effect of that if people wanted more diversity in advertising, they'd get it. Then again, I dunno. Like, Old Navy ads are rather diverse, from what I've seen, but not other things. Perhaps it's a risk analysis going on, and the ad agencies predict negative reaction to more diverse commercials. As for me, I could stand to see some melanin. 3nodding

[Dark Seraphim Seth]

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Dark Seraphim Seth

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Gotmuse

Man, halloween isnt racist. know your history.

I THINK you're trying to say that costume makers are racist. That being said, you really have to try and put yourself in their place. Really, when it comes to choosing a model, the company will need to choose the type of person they think will best appeal to the masses and thus, sell more.

The choice of white men and women to be used as poster-boards is definitely not limited to halloween companies. The media (in america) if you haven't noticed, is very white dominant.
This is a kind of sad thing, but it can only change with time and acceptance. (hopefully the process will be sped up by the increasing mexican population in the US)

when you think about it though, just because the costumes have a picture of a white person on them does not mean a person of different color can't wear them.

One must ask though why a person of color is not an appealing model for mainstream America or why race is even considered as a market affect and thus must be catered to.

neither of you have ANY bases on that statement.. black people arnt a mainstream model choice? the model and fashion world are FILLED with talented and well paid people of EVERY denomination. fashion and art isnt corrupted by racism and intolerance. being black wont stop u from being a model, and being white wont advance you. in order to prove that, ud have to disprove the fact that america's next top model STILL airs... damn you tyra.... damn you....

hmm.. i wish oprah would get on the ball and have a fashion tv series. XD

I am not speaking of the fashion world. I am speaking merely to question the person's statement, which does not take time to analyze why such marketing tactics work so much so that most companies adopt them.

The rest of your claims are totally irrelevant. I would ask you to also deeply question how many models of color there are in the business, when they are used, and where they are used. Your statement, "fashion and art isnt corrupted by racism and intolerance." would also benefit from another reconsideration.

i think you would benefit from stop asking so many questions and asking people to research information that u should and do have the resources urself to find out. typically, someone of your intellect would consider coming up with rational opinions without having to demand someone form a focus group to figure out what is inheritely logical.

SHE said costume models. it is without form to base an argument on a topic that is irrelevent. so maybe you have some reconsidering to do. her statement was about costume models and how they could be they are simply adhering to what the people what. then you asked why a model of color was not appealing to mainstream america... marketing STARTS with modeling. if you dont have the right models, then u product wouldnt sell.. you dont know how many times as a professional photographer i had young models come into the studio for a shoot that advertised phones with extra large buttons for the older and more handicapped buyers. modeling fits into marketing. so before u start blabbin off, ill also tell you to give ur ears the same treatment u give ur mouth. that way, you dont make urself seem like the opposite end of ur mouth with all types of things flying out.

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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Gotmuse

Man, halloween isnt racist. know your history.

I THINK you're trying to say that costume makers are racist. That being said, you really have to try and put yourself in their place. Really, when it comes to choosing a model, the company will need to choose the type of person they think will best appeal to the masses and thus, sell more.

The choice of white men and women to be used as poster-boards is definitely not limited to halloween companies. The media (in america) if you haven't noticed, is very white dominant.
This is a kind of sad thing, but it can only change with time and acceptance. (hopefully the process will be sped up by the increasing mexican population in the US)

when you think about it though, just because the costumes have a picture of a white person on them does not mean a person of different color can't wear them.

One must ask though why a person of color is not an appealing model for mainstream America or why race is even considered as a market affect and thus must be catered to.

Pale people scare me.

Put a hot latina or south asian/ middle eastern chick in a costume, and shoot, I may buy it for mahself. rofl

PS: I impulse buy based solely upon appearances.

First, I would like to personally thank you for your donation.

I merely just posted inorder to raise considerations on the person's statement.

You're welcome. biggrin

I know. It just reminds me of something my dad said once. Granted, he's not the most... accepting of people of color, but he's not outright hostile and can grow to accept groups. He said something to the effect of that if people wanted more diversity in advertising, they'd get it. Then again, I dunno. Like, Old Navy ads are rather diverse, from what I've seen, but not other things. Perhaps it's a risk analysis going on, and the ad agencies predict negative reaction to more diverse commercials. As for me, I could stand to see some melanin. 3nodding

I would agree with our father. I also tend to agree with sociologists in that, if we are to truly analyze society with a view to racism and equality, we must ask why things are so, not merely note them.

[Vice Admiral Romeo Mike]

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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Gotmuse

Man, halloween isnt racist. know your history.

I THINK you're trying to say that costume makers are racist. That being said, you really have to try and put yourself in their place. Really, when it comes to choosing a model, the company will need to choose the type of person they think will best appeal to the masses and thus, sell more.

The choice of white men and women to be used as poster-boards is definitely not limited to halloween companies. The media (in america) if you haven't noticed, is very white dominant.
This is a kind of sad thing, but it can only change with time and acceptance. (hopefully the process will be sped up by the increasing mexican population in the US)

when you think about it though, just because the costumes have a picture of a white person on them does not mean a person of different color can't wear them.

One must ask though why a person of color is not an appealing model for mainstream America or why race is even considered as a market affect and thus must be catered to.

Pale people scare me.

Put a hot latina or south asian/ middle eastern chick in a costume, and shoot, I may buy it for mahself. rofl

PS: I impulse buy based solely upon appearances.

First, I would like to personally thank you for your donation.

I merely just posted inorder to raise considerations on the person's statement.

You're welcome. biggrin

I know. It just reminds me of something my dad said once. Granted, he's not the most... accepting of people of color, but he's not outright hostile and can grow to accept groups. He said something to the effect of that if people wanted more diversity in advertising, they'd get it. Then again, I dunno. Like, Old Navy ads are rather diverse, from what I've seen, but not other things. Perhaps it's a risk analysis going on, and the ad agencies predict negative reaction to more diverse commercials. As for me, I could stand to see some melanin. 3nodding

I would agree with your father. I also tend to agree with sociologists in that, if we are to truly analyze society with a view to racism and equality, we must ask why things are so, not merely note them.

Of course of course. 3nodding

(Now I wish I could take more Soci classes. crying No moar electives...)

[Dark Seraphim Seth]

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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Gotmuse

Man, halloween isnt racist. know your history.

I THINK you're trying to say that costume makers are racist. That being said, you really have to try and put yourself in their place. Really, when it comes to choosing a model, the company will need to choose the type of person they think will best appeal to the masses and thus, sell more.

The choice of white men and women to be used as poster-boards is definitely not limited to halloween companies. The media (in america) if you haven't noticed, is very white dominant.
This is a kind of sad thing, but it can only change with time and acceptance. (hopefully the process will be sped up by the increasing mexican population in the US)

when you think about it though, just because the costumes have a picture of a white person on them does not mean a person of different color can't wear them.

One must ask though why a person of color is not an appealing model for mainstream America or why race is even considered as a market affect and thus must be catered to.

Pale people scare me.

Put a hot latina or south asian/ middle eastern chick in a costume, and shoot, I may buy it for mahself. rofl

PS: I impulse buy based solely upon appearances.

First, I would like to personally thank you for your donation.

I merely just posted inorder to raise considerations on the person's statement.

You're welcome. biggrin

I know. It just reminds me of something my dad said once. Granted, he's not the most... accepting of people of color, but he's not outright hostile and can grow to accept groups. He said something to the effect of that if people wanted more diversity in advertising, they'd get it. Then again, I dunno. Like, Old Navy ads are rather diverse, from what I've seen, but not other things. Perhaps it's a risk analysis going on, and the ad agencies predict negative reaction to more diverse commercials. As for me, I could stand to see some melanin. 3nodding

I would agree with our father. I also tend to agree with sociologists in that, if we are to truly analyze society with a view to racism and equality, we must ask why things are so, not merely note them.

Very true, yet, if you are always the one asking questions, rather then finding answers, ull always be the one left at the drawing board and never having any solutions. being taught to question everything around you is an excellent trait, given the fact that without questions, answers wont arise. BUT, and this is a big but, more importantly, you must be willing to delve into what IS fact, and draw conclusions based on your findings. the question would be your thesis, and the answer would be.... you conclusion. smile makes fair enough sense.

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Dark Seraphim Seth

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Dark Seraphim Seth

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Gotmuse

Man, halloween isnt racist. know your history.

I THINK you're trying to say that costume makers are racist. That being said, you really have to try and put yourself in their place. Really, when it comes to choosing a model, the company will need to choose the type of person they think will best appeal to the masses and thus, sell more.

The choice of white men and women to be used as poster-boards is definitely not limited to halloween companies. The media (in america) if you haven't noticed, is very white dominant.
This is a kind of sad thing, but it can only change with time and acceptance. (hopefully the process will be sped up by the increasing mexican population in the US)

when you think about it though, just because the costumes have a picture of a white person on them does not mean a person of different color can't wear them.

One must ask though why a person of color is not an appealing model for mainstream America or why race is even considered as a market affect and thus must be catered to.

neither of you have ANY bases on that statement.. black people arnt a mainstream model choice? the model and fashion world are FILLED with talented and well paid people of EVERY denomination. fashion and art isnt corrupted by racism and intolerance. being black wont stop u from being a model, and being white wont advance you. in order to prove that, ud have to disprove the fact that america's next top model STILL airs... damn you tyra.... damn you....

hmm.. i wish oprah would get on the ball and have a fashion tv series. XD

I am not speaking of the fashion world. I am speaking merely to question the person's statement, which does not take time to analyze why such marketing tactics work so much so that most companies adopt them.

The rest of your claims are totally irrelevant. I would ask you to also deeply question how many models of color there are in the business, when they are used, and where they are used. Your statement, "fashion and art isnt corrupted by racism and intolerance." would also benefit from another reconsideration.

i think you would benefit from stop asking so many questions and asking people to research information that u should and do have the resources urself to find out. typically, someone of your intellect would consider coming up with rational opinions without having to demand someone form a focus group to figure out what is inheritely logical.

SHE said costume models. it is without form to base an argument on a topic that is irrelevent. so maybe you have some reconsidering to do. her statement was about costume models and how they could be they are simply adhering to what the people what. then you asked why a model of color was not appealing to mainstream america... marketing STARTS with modeling. if you dont have the right models, then u product wouldnt sell.. you dont know how many times as a professional photographer i had young models come into the studio for a shoot that advertised phones with extra large buttons for the older and more handicapped buyers. modeling fits into marketing. so before u start blabbin off, ill also tell you to give ur ears the same treatment u give ur mouth. that way, you dont make urself seem like the opposite end of ur mouth with all types of things flying out.

I ask people to research because knowledge is best diseminated when one must work for it, not just have it spat at them. As Lavar Burton used to say on Reading Rainbow, "But dont take my word for it...".

Indeed, she did say costume models, which is my point; one must not just note that there are more white costume models and simply say that this is so because it is more appealing to buyers. One must ask also why is this so appealing to buyers if there is to be a complete analysis.

Again, beyond the first few sentences of the second paragraph, the rest is either ad hominem or irrelevant.

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Dark Seraphim Seth

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

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Vice Admiral Romeo Mike

Pale people scare me.

Put a hot latina or south asian/ middle eastern chick in a costume, and shoot, I may buy it for mahself. rofl

PS: I impulse buy based solely upon appearances.

First, I would like to personally thank you for your donation.

I merely just posted inorder to raise considerations on the person's statement.

You're welcome. biggrin

I know. It just reminds me of something my dad said once. Granted, he's not the most... accepting of people of color, but he's not outright hostile and can grow to accept groups. He said something to the effect of that if people wanted more diversity in advertising, they'd get it. Then again, I dunno. Like, Old Navy ads are rather diverse, from what I've seen, but not other things. Perhaps it's a risk analysis going on, and the ad agencies predict negative reaction to more diverse commercials. As for me, I could stand to see some melanin. 3nodding

I would agree with our father. I also tend to agree with sociologists in that, if we are to truly analyze society with a view to racism and equality, we must ask why things are so, not merely note them.

Very true, yet, if you are always the one asking questions, rather then finding answers, ull always be the one left at the drawing board and never having any solutions. being taught to question everything around you is an excellent trait, given the fact that without questions, answers wont arise. BUT, and this is a big but, more importantly, you must be willing to delve into what IS fact, and draw conclusions based on your findings. the question would be your thesis, and the answer would be.... you conclusion. smile makes fair enough sense.

Irrelevant. Nothing in this is speaking to anything I said, as I am talking about a point that went unconsidered. You are on some tangent that is not germane.