The Death Penalty

[rescue_me364]

asaki_aster

well, the majority comes first, if the person poses a threat of killing we shouldnt compromise the safety of the majority. what's one to many? it's not such a loss.

wow, i sound evil. gonk

nicely said 3nodding

[Nonesuch Solo]

Stygian Soleil

Stiffy777

How?

Miles and miles of red tape, that's how. Appeals, more appeals, reviews, legal fees, state sanctions. You name it. Look it up. The facts are there.

It could be argued that the miles of red tape would be significantly shortened if the death penalty were less taboo and more frequently used.

[asaki_aster]

rescue_me364

asaki_aster

well, the majority comes first, if the person poses a threat of killing we shouldnt compromise the safety of the majority. what's one to many? it's not such a loss.

wow, i sound evil. gonk

nicely said 3nodding

thank you. 4laugh

[Repellant]

Nonesuch Solo

Stygian Soleil

Stiffy777

How?

Miles and miles of red tape, that's how. Appeals, more appeals, reviews, legal fees, state sanctions. You name it. Look it up. The facts are there.

It could be argued that the miles of red tape would be significantly shortened if the death penalty were less taboo and more frequently used.

One could contend that the symbolic length of the red tape signifies the value of human life in a society.

[Alex Allain]

Nonesuch Solo

Stygian Soleil

Stiffy777

How?

Miles and miles of red tape, that's how. Appeals, more appeals, reviews, legal fees, state sanctions. You name it. Look it up. The facts are there.

It could be argued that the miles of red tape would be significantly shortened if the death penalty were less taboo and more frequently used.

There are miles of red tape to make it fair.

Should we make the system less fair and kill even MORE innocent people than we do?

Here are some good passages from a very popular book.

U.S. Justice System is SUPPOSED to be based off of the ideal that, "I'd rather let 100 guilty men walk, than convict one innocent man."

[Darth Acheron]

I'm for the death penalty. Personally, I think they should cut out most of the red tape and give the prisoner a set number of appeals, once they go through those, they are done unless they get a stay of execution from the governor, or if the court over turns the ruling.

[Empress Theodora]

Krieg ohne Hass

I'm for the death penalty. Personally, I think they should cut out most of the red tape and give the prisoner a set number of appeals, once they go through those, they are done unless they get a stay of execution from the governor, or if the court over turns the ruling.

So basically you don't know anything about the justice system.

[Code Monkey]

It's fun to kill people, would you take away the undertakers fun by not letting him kill people for the law?

[Darth Acheron]

Empress Theodora

Krieg ohne Hass

I'm for the death penalty. Personally, I think they should cut out most of the red tape and give the prisoner a set number of appeals, once they go through those, they are done unless they get a stay of execution from the governor, or if the court over turns the ruling.

So basically you don't know anything about the justice system.

Isn't it fun to assume things? Yes, I do, but I'll admit I'm no expert. But what exactly is your point?

[Capricious Conundrum]

It varies from case to case. If someone commits murder, I say we throw them into an arena with another murderer and see who lives longer. The one who lives is then shot with a tranquilizer gun and dropped into a cement enclosure on an island large enough to support human life and settlements, but small enough to make competition a reality. To that end, I'm probably in favor of making a murderer's punishment torture or something even worse... death lets them off too damn easy...

[DC Hawkman]

Prisonic x Fairytale

Comrade Tool

Do you have data showing this, I've already provided a link that states otherwise, crimes actually worsened after public executions. And how fast things change is reliant on us, we can change it however fast we want it.

This can prove your point.
"The state of New Jersey instituted a moratorium abolishing the death penalty in that state in 2006. The next year, the murder rate had dropped by 11%. The rate continued to decline in 2008, making it the first time that New Jersey had seen a drop in murders for two consecutive years since 1999. And in the first six months of this year, 2009, the number of murders declined by 24% compared to the same period last year."

But im not saying that it works for all places. Certain places have different effects.
I know if someone really wants to murder a person they will do it.

Edit: im not to good a reasearch but ill try to find another that proves otherr wise

Good find, but when they go to jail, rehab, etc and the killers start killing each other, we're really just going to keep letting them stay there? Killing one person is crossing the line. Killing more inmates only further proves the point that they need to be tied up and thrown in the ocean.

[Empress Theodora]

BxKxRxxx

Prisonic x Fairytale

Comrade Tool

Do you have data showing this, I've already provided a link that states otherwise, crimes actually worsened after public executions. And how fast things change is reliant on us, we can change it however fast we want it.

This can prove your point.
"The state of New Jersey instituted a moratorium abolishing the death penalty in that state in 2006. The next year, the murder rate had dropped by 11%. The rate continued to decline in 2008, making it the first time that New Jersey had seen a drop in murders for two consecutive years since 1999. And in the first six months of this year, 2009, the number of murders declined by 24% compared to the same period last year."

But im not saying that it works for all places. Certain places have different effects.
I know if someone really wants to murder a person they will do it.

Edit: im not to good a reasearch but ill try to find another that proves otherr wise

Good find, but when they go to jail, rehab, etc and the killers start killing each other, we're really just going to keep letting them stay there? Killing one person is crossing the line. Killing more inmates only further proves the point that they need to be tied up and thrown in the ocean.

Literally the number one, and indeed only way, to reduce crime in prisons is to educate said prisoners. Killing them is a bandaid.

u dum bro

[Hepzeba]

Red Light District

Next week I'm in a debate concerning the Death penalty. I was assigned the Pro side of the argument. I'm having trouble coming up with reasons it should still exist. What is your opinion on corporal punishment? Why or why shouldn't it be utilized?

There is but one moral "pro" to Capital Punishment and that is if the perpetrator is literally too dangerous to be housed by any known or available containment systems.

[Hepzeba]

Empress Theodora

BxKxRxxx

Prisonic x Fairytale

Comrade Tool

Do you have data showing this, I've already provided a link that states otherwise, crimes actually worsened after public executions. And how fast things change is reliant on us, we can change it however fast we want it.

This can prove your point.
"The state of New Jersey instituted a moratorium abolishing the death penalty in that state in 2006. The next year, the murder rate had dropped by 11%. The rate continued to decline in 2008, making it the first time that New Jersey had seen a drop in murders for two consecutive years since 1999. And in the first six months of this year, 2009, the number of murders declined by 24% compared to the same period last year."

But im not saying that it works for all places. Certain places have different effects.
I know if someone really wants to murder a person they will do it.

Edit: im not to good a reasearch but ill try to find another that proves otherr wise

Good find, but when they go to jail, rehab, etc and the killers start killing each other, we're really just going to keep letting them stay there? Killing one person is crossing the line. Killing more inmates only further proves the point that they need to be tied up and thrown in the ocean.

Literally the number one, and indeed only way, to reduce crime in prisons is to educate said prisoners. Killing them is a bandaid.

u be misinformed brother man

Education and training for a decent paying job outside the pen is adviseable. I do believe in returning our jails to penitentiaries that major on the inmates emotional/spritual well being together with an increase in knowledge and skillsets.

[Alex Allain]

Krieg ohne Hass

I'm for the death penalty. Personally, I think they should cut out most of the red tape and give the prisoner a set number of appeals, once they go through those, they are done unless they get a stay of execution from the governor, or if the court over turns the ruling.

Given the defense can't find a legitimate appeal to claim a mistake in one of the trials, there IS a set number of appeals. You appeal to a higher court each time. Once you get to the U.S. Supreme court, you're done.