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ohai_alyssa My only objection towards it is if the killer is actually innocent. Taking an innocent person's life just isn't fair, obviously. But otherwise I see it eye-to an eye An eye for an eye leaves alot of people blind. |
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carlinie-the lezzy demonbarber14 Well, I'm against it, but you could say that it's good because people aren't spending tax money on people in jail. Taxes are what is feeding them and bathing them and putting a roof over their heads. Here's what i think they should do with prisons: i think they should have farms in prison, and the prisoners should grow their own crops and cook their own foods and dig wells to get their own water, I do not appreciate my taxes going tawards feeding criminals. All the do is sit there and do nothing while other people are in pooverty. They should work for what they get. most of them do, as a matter of fact. |
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Mauled by angry kittens carlinie-the lezzy demonbarber14 Well, I'm against it, but you could say that it's good because people aren't spending tax money on people in jail. Taxes are what is feeding them and bathing them and putting a roof over their heads. Here's what i think they should do with prisons: i think they should have farms in prison, and the prisoners should grow their own crops and cook their own foods and dig wells to get their own water, I do not appreciate my taxes going tawards feeding criminals. All the do is sit there and do nothing while other people are in pooverty. They should work for what they get. most of them do, as a matter of fact. Uhmm not the ones where i live so that's where i base my opinions. I did not know some did that. I think that's really good. |
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Comrade Tool Ninth Pariah Comrade Tool Ninth Pariah Comrade Tool Ninth Pariah Rape. Serial murder. Torture. There are some things all people can agree on the terrible nature of. Well, except maybe those who commit such crimes. Also, on the cost thing: Rope is cheap. A short drop with a sudden stop is neither cruel nor unusual. If you're raped it doesn't mean you're killed, so I don't see how rape=death penalty. Serial killers are usually mentally unstable, and to kill a mentally unstable person when you are mentally stable makes you how much better than the other person? Same thing with torture. There was a quote I once read, it went something like this: " I can understand a man killing someone in passion, to gather around and debate whether to take the man's life, and then actually doing it is worse. Not only is it murder, it's conspiracy to commit murder too with a clear mind." Hangings are cruel and unusual, at least in the developed countries. Usually you do that when you lynch people like when people hang gays in the middle east or when black people were lynched for wearing their army uniforms. It was a way to show you weren't even human. Isn't the first thing I said that there are crimes which result in a forfeiture of your humanity? They aren't human, they're just another dangerous animal to be euthanized. Hangings aren't cruel if they're done right; measure it out, based on weight and muscle mass, and displace the brain stem from the spinal cord. Painless, instant death. They might still have sight and hearing for a few seconds, but they'll feel nothing. Well now you have to prove they're not human anymore, good luck with that endeavor. That's an opinion and I know that. But most people, while they might not agree with my logic, will agree on how to deal with them. s**t, most people would want to do worse than kill them. Ok and your point being? You still have not proven that they have given up their "humanity" or that they're not humans. No, I haven't. Because this is not a formal debate, and it is an opinion, not a fact. It's just what I believe, regardless of what others decide to believe. Just as I am in favor of executing certain criminals, while you are not. It's all opinion, that can be backed by "facts" from biased sources on either end. We get nowhere, no one changes their minds, and we're left where we were to begin with. So no, I'm not going to cite for an opinion. |
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carlinie-the lezzy Mauled by angry kittens carlinie-the lezzy demonbarber14 Well, I'm against it, but you could say that it's good because people aren't spending tax money on people in jail. Taxes are what is feeding them and bathing them and putting a roof over their heads. Here's what i think they should do with prisons: i think they should have farms in prison, and the prisoners should grow their own crops and cook their own foods and dig wells to get their own water, I do not appreciate my taxes going tawards feeding criminals. All the do is sit there and do nothing while other people are in pooverty. They should work for what they get. most of them do, as a matter of fact. Uhmm not the ones where i live so that's where i base my opinions. I did not know some did that. I think that's really good. I'm not saying that most of them farm. I'm saying that most of them have to work while they're in prison. |
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Mauled by angry kittens carlinie-the lezzy Mauled by angry kittens carlinie-the lezzy demonbarber14 Well, I'm against it, but you could say that it's good because people aren't spending tax money on people in jail. Taxes are what is feeding them and bathing them and putting a roof over their heads. Here's what i think they should do with prisons: i think they should have farms in prison, and the prisoners should grow their own crops and cook their own foods and dig wells to get their own water, I do not appreciate my taxes going tawards feeding criminals. All the do is sit there and do nothing while other people are in pooverty. They should work for what they get. most of them do, as a matter of fact. Uhmm not the ones where i live so that's where i base my opinions. I did not know some did that. I think that's really good. I'm not saying that most of them farm. I'm saying that most of them have to work while they're in prison. Ah ok. Well i think they should farm. Maybe then there would'nt be so many people in jail. |
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Ninth Pariah Comrade Tool Ninth Pariah Comrade Tool Ninth Pariah Isn't the first thing I said that there are crimes which result in a forfeiture of your humanity? They aren't human, they're just another dangerous animal to be euthanized. Hangings aren't cruel if they're done right; measure it out, based on weight and muscle mass, and displace the brain stem from the spinal cord. Painless, instant death. They might still have sight and hearing for a few seconds, but they'll feel nothing. Well now you have to prove they're not human anymore, good luck with that endeavor. That's an opinion and I know that. But most people, while they might not agree with my logic, will agree on how to deal with them. s**t, most people would want to do worse than kill them. Ok and your point being? You still have not proven that they have given up their "humanity" or that they're not humans. No, I haven't. Because this is not a formal debate, and it is an opinion, not a fact. It's just what I believe, regardless of what others decide to believe. Just as I am in favor of executing certain criminals, while you are not. It's all opinion, that can be backed by "facts" from biased sources on either end. We get nowhere, no one changes their minds, and we're left where we were to begin with. So no, I'm not going to cite for an opinion. Okay good you realize it's just a subjective opinion that can't be backed with facts so it should be kept out of debate. I try not to delve into morals because they suck, but the fact that data shows that the death penalty does not deter criminals from killing takes off that argument, it doesn't work. It costs more to execute than to keep them alive, so there's a bonus there. And then there's that possibility that the person can be rehabilitated and return to society to be a productive member. There's so many pluses and I can't find a negative argument against it. |
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Comrade Tool I can't find a negative argument against it. The family of the victim don't get to fulfill their erotic fantasies about seeing that person die? |
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Comrade Tool Ninth Pariah Comrade Tool Ninth Pariah Comrade Tool Ninth Pariah Isn't the first thing I said that there are crimes which result in a forfeiture of your humanity? They aren't human, they're just another dangerous animal to be euthanized. Hangings aren't cruel if they're done right; measure it out, based on weight and muscle mass, and displace the brain stem from the spinal cord. Painless, instant death. They might still have sight and hearing for a few seconds, but they'll feel nothing. Well now you have to prove they're not human anymore, good luck with that endeavor. That's an opinion and I know that. But most people, while they might not agree with my logic, will agree on how to deal with them. s**t, most people would want to do worse than kill them. Ok and your point being? You still have not proven that they have given up their "humanity" or that they're not humans. No, I haven't. Because this is not a formal debate, and it is an opinion, not a fact. It's just what I believe, regardless of what others decide to believe. Just as I am in favor of executing certain criminals, while you are not. It's all opinion, that can be backed by "facts" from biased sources on either end. We get nowhere, no one changes their minds, and we're left where we were to begin with. So no, I'm not going to cite for an opinion. Okay good you realize it's just a subjective opinion that can't be backed with facts so it should be kept out of debate. I try not to delve into morals because they suck, but the fact that data shows that the death penalty does not deter criminals from killing takes off that argument, it doesn't work. It costs more to execute than to keep them alive, so there's a bonus there. And then there's that possibility that the person can be rehabilitated and return to society to be a productive member. There's so many pluses and I can't find a negative argument against it. Rape, first degree murder, serial murder, and child molestation are crimes whose perps are notoriously hard to rehabilitate. Better to execute them to be sure they never get another chance at it. I know it's not a good deterrent, but that's not the point. The point is to eliminate an unproductive member of society. To cut down costs, especially considering modern scientific advances in such fields as forensics, we should cut down the number of mandatory appeals. Very few innocent people are executed anymore, and even less have convictions overturned on appeal. Cut to the chase, and we'll save a great deal of money. |
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carlinie-the lezzy Mauled by angry kittens carlinie-the lezzy Mauled by angry kittens carlinie-the lezzy demonbarber14 Well, I'm against it, but you could say that it's good because people aren't spending tax money on people in jail. Taxes are what is feeding them and bathing them and putting a roof over their heads. Here's what i think they should do with prisons: i think they should have farms in prison, and the prisoners should grow their own crops and cook their own foods and dig wells to get their own water, I do not appreciate my taxes going tawards feeding criminals. All the do is sit there and do nothing while other people are in pooverty. They should work for what they get. most of them do, as a matter of fact. Uhmm not the ones where i live so that's where i base my opinions. I did not know some did that. I think that's really good. I'm not saying that most of them farm. I'm saying that most of them have to work while they're in prison. Ah ok. Well i think they should farm. Maybe then there would'nt be so many people in jail. seems like a reasonable idea. |
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Death and Misery It permanently deletes a problematic person. It also would solve population control issues in metros known for crime. |
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OniLink147 Death and Misery It permanently deletes a problematic person. It also would solve population control issues in metros known for crime. Why not just randomly shut off subway stations and pump them full of cyanide gas, I'm sure you will all find justification for that as well, considering your goals. |
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Comrade Tool doctorjackal777 If you get life imprisonment, then you're obviously not fit to return to society. You stay in prison getting a roof over your head, meals, etc on the dollars of the society your screwed over. Sorry no, if you can't be trusted out in the world, then you should be put down. That's what we do to dangerous dogs right? We've already gone over this, it costs more to put someone to death than to hold them in prison forever. Well in that case we should be making it easier and cheaper. No appeals unless new evidence has turned up to suggest the individual may actually be innocent. None of this character witnesses bull-crap. It doesn't matter if he used to be a good person, what matters is at this point he's a bad person. Although I do like the idea of prisons being completely self sufficient, like growing their own food excreta. Also what happened to the days where it was like 'k stole a loaf of bread, 10 lashes and then you're free to go.' We chuck people in prison for everything. I seriously think it should be only for serious crimes that don't deserve death. |
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doctorjackal777 Comrade Tool doctorjackal777 If you get life imprisonment, then you're obviously not fit to return to society. You stay in prison getting a roof over your head, meals, etc on the dollars of the society your screwed over. Sorry no, if you can't be trusted out in the world, then you should be put down. That's what we do to dangerous dogs right? We've already gone over this, it costs more to put someone to death than to hold them in prison forever. Well in that case we should be making it easier and cheaper. No appeals unless new evidence has turned up to suggest the individual may actually be innocent. None of this character witnesses bull-crap. It doesn't matter if he used to be a good person, what matters is at this point he's a bad person. My gods. Are you trying to get us to kill more innocent people? Without appeals the process would probably take about a month which is not nearly enough time for further investigations. If you kill them and then the evidence comes up, what then? |
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Mauled by angry kittens doctorjackal777 Comrade Tool doctorjackal777 If you get life imprisonment, then you're obviously not fit to return to society. You stay in prison getting a roof over your head, meals, etc on the dollars of the society your screwed over. Sorry no, if you can't be trusted out in the world, then you should be put down. That's what we do to dangerous dogs right? We've already gone over this, it costs more to put someone to death than to hold them in prison forever. Well in that case we should be making it easier and cheaper. No appeals unless new evidence has turned up to suggest the individual may actually be innocent. None of this character witnesses bull-crap. It doesn't matter if he used to be a good person, what matters is at this point he's a bad person. My gods. Are you trying to get us to kill more innocent people? Without appeals the process would probably take about a month which is not nearly enough time for further investigations. If you kill them and then the evidence comes up, what then? Well that's just unfortunate. After someone has been proven guilty usually the case is closed. Occasionally someone may uncover something or someone after the fact that may point to another perpetrator. Then the case is reopened in light of the new evidence. Basically what you're saying is that death row people should be made to wait around for 20 years on the off chance something may come up? Also I'm a hater of appeals in general. Not the 'I'm actually innocent please look at the evidence' appeals but 'listen to my parents whine about how much they love me a reduce my sentence' appeals. If you're guilty and get 10 years, 20 years or death then suck it up, you did wrong. |
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