The Death Penalty

[Prisonic x Fairytale]

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Because if not you'll have them sitting in jail wasting the peoples tax money.
They get clothed, they get feed, they get showers, and a place to sleep all
for free, and weres it coming from, the working peoples pockets.

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[araikoe]

Strifer Farhaven

An eye for an eye I say. I know I'm not going to go kill somone in Texas mostly because I don't feel like dieing. I wouldn't kill anyone, but if I absolutely felt I had to I wouldn't do it somewhere that had the death penalty instated.

An eye for an eye would make the world blind.

[doctorjackal777]

If you get life imprisonment, then you're obviously not fit to return to society. You stay in prison getting a roof over your head, meals, etc on the dollars of the society your screwed over. Sorry no, if you can't be trusted out in the world, then you should be put down. That's what we do to dangerous dogs right?

[Comrade Tool]

Ninth Pariah

Comrade Tool

Ninth Pariah

There are certain terrible, heinous crimes a man can commit, that, in the willful commission of such a deed, is a forfeiture of one's humanity. At that point, it is more fitting to put them down as you would a dangerous animal.

And these crimes would be?

Rape. Serial murder. Torture.

There are some things all people can agree on the terrible nature of. Well, except maybe those who commit such crimes.

Also, on the cost thing: Rope is cheap. A short drop with a sudden stop is neither cruel nor unusual.

If you're raped it doesn't mean you're killed, so I don't see how rape=death penalty. Serial killers are usually mentally unstable, and to kill a mentally unstable person when you are mentally stable makes you how much better than the other person? Same thing with torture. There was a quote I once read, it went something like this:
" I can understand a man killing someone in passion, to gather around and debate whether to take the man's life, and then actually doing it is worse. Not only is it murder, it's conspiracy to commit murder too with a clear mind."
Hangings are cruel and unusual, at least in the developed countries. Usually you do that when you lynch people like when people hang gays in the middle east or when black people were lynched for wearing their army uniforms. It was a way to show you weren't even human.

[doctorjackal777]

araikoe

Strifer Farhaven

An eye for an eye I say. I know I'm not going to go kill somone in Texas mostly because I don't feel like dieing. I wouldn't kill anyone, but if I absolutely felt I had to I wouldn't do it somewhere that had the death penalty instated.

An eye for an eye would make the world blind.

Well if we only lose one eye each it'd be more like, the world loses depth perception.

[Comrade Tool]

Prisonic x Fairytale

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Because if not you'll have them sitting in jail wasting the peoples tax money.
They get clothed, they get feed, they get showers, and a place to sleep all
for free, and weres it coming from, the working peoples pockets.

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You know many of them have jobs, I remember I think it was Folsom prison provided electricity to many outlining areas back in the day, and today many prisons do the same kind of thing. Even in the prison they can do productive things which would make them less reliant on public funding.

[Comrade Tool]

doctorjackal777

If you get life imprisonment, then you're obviously not fit to return to society. You stay in prison getting a roof over your head, meals, etc on the dollars of the society your screwed over. Sorry no, if you can't be trusted out in the world, then you should be put down. That's what we do to dangerous dogs right?

We've already gone over this, it costs more to put someone to death than to hold them in prison forever.

[Ninth Pariah]

Comrade Tool

Ninth Pariah

Comrade Tool

Ninth Pariah

There are certain terrible, heinous crimes a man can commit, that, in the willful commission of such a deed, is a forfeiture of one's humanity. At that point, it is more fitting to put them down as you would a dangerous animal.

And these crimes would be?

Rape. Serial murder. Torture.

There are some things all people can agree on the terrible nature of. Well, except maybe those who commit such crimes.

Also, on the cost thing: Rope is cheap. A short drop with a sudden stop is neither cruel nor unusual.

If you're raped it doesn't mean you're killed, so I don't see how rape=death penalty. Serial killers are usually mentally unstable, and to kill a mentally unstable person when you are mentally stable makes you how much better than the other person? Same thing with torture. There was a quote I once read, it went something like this:
" I can understand a man killing someone in passion, to gather around and debate whether to take the man's life, and then actually doing it is worse. Not only is it murder, it's conspiracy to commit murder too with a clear mind."
Hangings are cruel and unusual, at least in the developed countries. Usually you do that when you lynch people like when people hang gays in the middle east or when black people were lynched for wearing their army uniforms. It was a way to show you weren't even human.

Isn't the first thing I said that there are crimes which result in a forfeiture of your humanity? They aren't human, they're just another dangerous animal to be euthanized. Hangings aren't cruel if they're done right; measure it out, based on weight and muscle mass, and displace the brain stem from the spinal cord. Painless, instant death. They might still have sight and hearing for a few seconds, but they'll feel nothing.

[Prisonic x Fairytale]

Comrade Tool

Prisonic x Fairytale

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Because if not you'll have them sitting in jail wasting the peoples tax money.
They get clothed, they get feed, they get showers, and a place to sleep all
for free, and weres it coming from, the working peoples pockets.

╚════════════════════════════✄

You know many of them have jobs, I remember I think it was Folsom prison provided electricity to many outlining areas back in the day, and today many prisons do the same kind of thing. Even in the prison they can do productive things which would make them less reliant on public funding.

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But still alot arnt like that. I know times are changing and many of them are getting jobs, but change doesnt go fast. It only goes slow, plus having the death penalty would make crime rates go down.

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[Ninth Pariah]

Comrade Tool

doctorjackal777

If you get life imprisonment, then you're obviously not fit to return to society. You stay in prison getting a roof over your head, meals, etc on the dollars of the society your screwed over. Sorry no, if you can't be trusted out in the world, then you should be put down. That's what we do to dangerous dogs right?

We've already gone over this, it costs more to put someone to death than to hold them in prison forever.

It's not the execution, it's the mandatory minimum appeals of the sentence. Court costs are a b***h.

[Comrade Tool]

Prisonic x Fairytale

Comrade Tool

Prisonic x Fairytale

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Because if not you'll have them sitting in jail wasting the peoples tax money.
They get clothed, they get feed, they get showers, and a place to sleep all
for free, and weres it coming from, the working peoples pockets.

╚════════════════════════════✄

You know many of them have jobs, I remember I think it was Folsom prison provided electricity to many outlining areas back in the day, and today many prisons do the same kind of thing. Even in the prison they can do productive things which would make them less reliant on public funding.

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But still alot arnt like that. I know times are changing and many of them are getting jobs, but change doesnt go fast. It only goes slow, plus having the death penalty would make crime rates go down.

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Do you have data showing this, I've already provided a link that states otherwise, crimes actually worsened after public executions. And how fast things change is reliant on us, we can change it however fast we want it.

[Comrade Tool]

Ninth Pariah

Comrade Tool

doctorjackal777

If you get life imprisonment, then you're obviously not fit to return to society. You stay in prison getting a roof over your head, meals, etc on the dollars of the society your screwed over. Sorry no, if you can't be trusted out in the world, then you should be put down. That's what we do to dangerous dogs right?

We've already gone over this, it costs more to put someone to death than to hold them in prison forever.

It's not the execution, it's the mandatory minimum appeals of the sentence. Court costs are a b***h.

I know it's not the execution itself but everything leading up to it.

[Comrade Tool]

Ninth Pariah

Comrade Tool

Ninth Pariah

Comrade Tool

Ninth Pariah

There are certain terrible, heinous crimes a man can commit, that, in the willful commission of such a deed, is a forfeiture of one's humanity. At that point, it is more fitting to put them down as you would a dangerous animal.

And these crimes would be?

Rape. Serial murder. Torture.

There are some things all people can agree on the terrible nature of. Well, except maybe those who commit such crimes.

Also, on the cost thing: Rope is cheap. A short drop with a sudden stop is neither cruel nor unusual.

If you're raped it doesn't mean you're killed, so I don't see how rape=death penalty. Serial killers are usually mentally unstable, and to kill a mentally unstable person when you are mentally stable makes you how much better than the other person? Same thing with torture. There was a quote I once read, it went something like this:
" I can understand a man killing someone in passion, to gather around and debate whether to take the man's life, and then actually doing it is worse. Not only is it murder, it's conspiracy to commit murder too with a clear mind."
Hangings are cruel and unusual, at least in the developed countries. Usually you do that when you lynch people like when people hang gays in the middle east or when black people were lynched for wearing their army uniforms. It was a way to show you weren't even human.

Isn't the first thing I said that there are crimes which result in a forfeiture of your humanity? They aren't human, they're just another dangerous animal to be euthanized. Hangings aren't cruel if they're done right; measure it out, based on weight and muscle mass, and displace the brain stem from the spinal cord. Painless, instant death. They might still have sight and hearing for a few seconds, but they'll feel nothing.

Well now you have to prove they're not human anymore, good luck with that endeavor.

[araikoe]

doctorjackal777

araikoe

Strifer Farhaven

An eye for an eye I say. I know I'm not going to go kill somone in Texas mostly because I don't feel like dieing. I wouldn't kill anyone, but if I absolutely felt I had to I wouldn't do it somewhere that had the death penalty instated.

An eye for an eye would make the world blind.

Well if we only lose one eye each it'd be more like, the world loses depth perception.

But people suck; if Hammurabi's Code really caught on, we'd all be like the Black Knight from Monty Python. If we were realy really lucky.

[Prisonic x Fairytale]

Comrade Tool

Do you have data showing this, I've already provided a link that states otherwise, crimes actually worsened after public executions. And how fast things change is reliant on us, we can change it however fast we want it.

This can prove your point.
"The state of New Jersey instituted a moratorium abolishing the death penalty in that state in 2006. The next year, the murder rate had dropped by 11%. The rate continued to decline in 2008, making it the first time that New Jersey had seen a drop in murders for two consecutive years since 1999. And in the first six months of this year, 2009, the number of murders declined by 24% compared to the same period last year."

But im not saying that it works for all places. Certain places have different effects.
I know if someone really wants to murder a person they will do it.

Edit: im not to good a reasearch but ill try to find another that proves otherr wise