The Abortion Debate

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Lithia Ariadne

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Lithia Ariadne

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Joshp1990

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Alright peoples, I have a scenario for you, doesn't matter if you're pro-life or pro-choice, lets see who decides what.

So let's say you're a woman and you're pregnant. This is wonderful, you love your husband you've been trying hard for this baby and you couldn't be happier. However, the pregnancy seems to be taking and extra toll on you so you go see a doctor. Some time later you find out you have cancer. Lymphoma- which is virtually untreatable. You're given a choice. Abort and undergo treatment with a very small success rate, or have the baby and resign yourself to death. Which do you choose?

Please note this is a scenario based on my grandmother in 1951, from what I understand the treatments haven't gotten much better but at the time it wasn't very good. TL;DR she died, my dad lived.

This is a great example. Abortion shouldnt be based on a solid standard of right and wrong but on a circumstantial basis. But since it is unreal to investigate every pregnant womans lifestyle to determine if she is psychologically and financially ready to bear a child then it only makes since to leave it to each persons judgement. If a womans pregnant and doesnt want the child then how well do you think it will be treated. I know several people who were accidents and whose parents still act like children while beating and psychologically abusing their kids. Its parents like this that lead to more unwanted pregnancies since those kids never learned more than their parents let them. If you really believe in Pro-life then go look up worst cases of child abuse to see what these "parents" did to their kids. Alot of parents that do have an accidental birth are either too selfish or embarrassed to give it up for adoption.

Thanks.

But you didn't answer my question. What would YOU do?

Considering the fact I'm childfree; abort.

And yes I'm aware you weren't talking to me, but I answered anyway.

No, by all means I'm incredibly interested in anyone who has an answer. Can explain your reasoning in more detail?

I've just always been childfree. When I was fourteen I shocked my pediatrician by asking if I could have everything removed because I never wanted children. It's not that I hate children. I adore my nieces and nephews. I just have no mothering instincts whatsoever. I do not ever want children. I'm thirty six and I still feel that way.

I can see where you're going with that, I can see what the logical train of thought would be. If she hadn't sacrificed herself, your father wouldn't have been born and neither would you. Of course neither of you would have known the difference because a fetus isn't sentient. It's a personal choice. Some women would abort, others would carry to term.

Actually there were no hidden motives. I was just curious how people would respond in that situation. If that's what you were getting at.

[Master Secret Asian Man]

Who is Morgan

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We did. They pressed the question. I was just trying to make them regret it. xd

It's a valid question. It's slightly off-topic, but now I'm honestly just terrifiedly curious. Who's going to look after those kids? When I re-ran the numbers with real world figures and not my estimates, it wasn't 5 million anymore. It was just shy of 10 and a quarter million.

I'm all for making abortion not be needed anymore, as much as possible, though not for illegalizing it.

I am honestly just curious as to where we're gonna find the money and the space to look after all these kids in the aftermath. I mean, pro-lifers tell us all the time "YOU'LL REGRET ABORTING." Why can I not ask the simple question of "What are you going to do with these kids?"

I concede. mrgreen

[Mistress Lithia]

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Lithia Ariadne

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Lithia Ariadne

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Thanks.

But you didn't answer my question. What would YOU do?

Considering the fact I'm childfree; abort.

And yes I'm aware you weren't talking to me, but I answered anyway.

No, by all means I'm incredibly interested in anyone who has an answer. Can explain your reasoning in more detail?

I've just always been childfree. When I was fourteen I shocked my pediatrician by asking if I could have everything removed because I never wanted children. It's not that I hate children. I adore my nieces and nephews. I just have no mothering instincts whatsoever. I do not ever want children. I'm thirty six and I still feel that way.

I can see where you're going with that, I can see what the logical train of thought would be. If she hadn't sacrificed herself, your father wouldn't have been born and neither would you. Of course neither of you would have known the difference because a fetus isn't sentient. It's a personal choice. Some women would abort, others would carry to term.

Actually there were no hidden motives. I was just curious how people would respond in that situation. If that's what you were getting at.

No, I didn't think you had hidden motives, I just know that is the logical thought process that comes with something like that. A lot of pro-lifers would take that approach, so I was already diffusing that before anyone tried to use it.

[Mistress Lithia]

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GoatShow

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Moonlight Silver

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Well, normally I would concede, but since this whole conversation I've been carrying is based on an appeal to consequence, logic has been thrown out the window. I can say what I please. biggrin

It's not an appeal to consequence if we're not using it to support abortion. At most it can be considered slightly off-topic. It's an off-topic on topic side question!

Right. It's just a list of side-affects of banning abortion that's being used to persuade the Pro-Life movement to concede. Nothing to do with appealing to consequence. Seriously, did you believe you were gonna get away with that horseshit? biggrin

Kinda fail to see how this is different from them wheeling out the big "If you get pregnant YOU'LL GET CHOLERA AND DIE" lists and using them as a reason for abortion.
If I'd have known I could just say 'appeal to consequences' to all that, I'd have done it years ago.

We did. They pressed the question. I was just trying to make them regret it. xd

It's a valid question. It's slightly off-topic, but now I'm honestly just terrifiedly curious. Who's going to look after those kids? When I re-ran the numbers with real world figures and not my estimates, it wasn't 5 million anymore. It was just shy of 10 and a quarter million.

I'm all for making abortion not be needed anymore, as much as possible, though not for illegalizing it.

I am honestly just curious as to where we're gonna find the money and the space to look after all these kids in the aftermath. I mean, pro-lifers tell us all the time "YOU'LL REGRET ABORTING." Why can I not ask the simple question of "What are you going to do with these kids?"

Those are some scary figures indeed.

I honestly think it's because, if they had to really acknowledge the question they would have to realize just how ******** up it is to think women should be forced to carry to term against their will. Oh I know they'll still throw out the 'appeal to consequences' thing or just fling insults, which has become standard with quite a few of them, but the fact of the matter is, they don't want to think about the realities, they just want to think about 'teh wittle baybeez".

[Talon-chan]

Hey guys and gals...

Because of flaming and frequent reports being made about this thread, I've been asked to moderate your behavior by ignore listing trolls and problem starters.

The thing is I'm not at all interested in taking on this role. Two years ago was another story, but my life has changed and I have grown and I no longer have the time or inclination to do this.

What this means for you is that this thread is going to be locked. Your post history won't disappear, but you won't be able to edit any posts in this thread or reply to it any more.

I strongly encourage whatever thread you move to after this be one started by a regular (from either side) who is willing to moderate trolls and ignore-list frequent offenders.

Thank you all.