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Master Secret Asian Man
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Master Secret Asian Man

Like I said. I'm sticking with that answer. 3nodding
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You can't stick with "parents will pay" if you support adoption as your main choice for unwanted pregnancies/children!



Well, normally I would concede, but since this whole conversation I've been carrying is based on an appeal to consequence, logic has been thrown out the window. I can say what I please. biggrin
User Image It's not an appeal to consequence if we're not using it to support abortion. At most it can be considered slightly off-topic. It's an off-topic on topic side question!



Right. It's just a list of side-affects of banning abortion that's being used to persuade the Pro-Life movement to concede. Nothing to do with appealing to consequence. Seriously, did you believe you were gonna get away with that horseshit? biggrin
Kinda fail to see how this is different from them wheeling out the big "If you get pregnant YOU'LL GET CHOLERA AND DIE" lists and using them as a reason for abortion.
If I'd have known I could just say 'appeal to consequences' to all that, I'd have done it years ago.
YourBreakingJoker

TOP TEN REASONS WHY ABORTION IS EVIL!

1. Abortion Offends God
Abortion is never a mere personal choice but a grave offense against God and His creation. The anti-abortion struggle has always been a religious battle and foremost in its ranks have been Catholics across the country. This is because Church teaching on abortion is clear and unequivocal: Abortion is murder. There are no exceptions allowed, no compromises possible.

2. The Unnoticed War
The continuing war on terror has lead to a renewed national consciousness of the high price of war, and, for many, a heightened desire for peace. Yet, despite all this concern, the most horrible war of all has gone all but unnoticed. This is a war going on within our own borders, and it has claimed 42 million American lives in the last 31 years.

This scourge is as horrible as anything terrorists can fathom, because it strikes at the very core of humanity and our country: the family. By destroying the most basic human bond of all—that between mother and child—abortion dissolves the precious glue that binds our nation together.

While mother and child are the first victims, there is not a single element of society that is not affected by abortion. Mother, child, father, husband, aunt, uncle, friend, sibling and grandparent alike suffer the scars of the abortionist’s scalpel. Peace abroad is meaningless without peace at home.

3. Life starts at the moment of conception
This is the definition given in any respectable medical textbook. To declare a beginning of life at any point after the fusing of a wife’s egg and a husband’s contribution is irrational and an exercise in sophistical chicanery. Only machines such as clocks and cars come into existence part by part. Living beings come into existence all at once and gradually unfold their world of innate potential. A living human begins to exist at the moment of conception, even though only as a cell. What is important is not the accident of size or weight but the essence – which is fully human. The unborn baby has a distinct, unchanging and unrepeatable genetic code, unique in all of history, from the moment of conception till death. Nothing is added except nutrition and oxygen.1

4. Mankind must protect life whenever possible
The first and foremost instinct of humans is preservation of life. This begins with self-preservation, and extends to all humanity through domestic bonds and realization of a like nature. "Pregnancy termination" stops the beating heart of a growing human being and is in direct contradiction to this most basic premise of human nature. It forsakes natural law, and has left America as a country unable to repopulate itself without the aid of mass immigration.

5. Abortion is an unsafe procedure
Compared with other medical procedures, the abortion industry is largely unregulated. Although there are no exact statistics for the number of women who die from botched procedures, LifeDynamics.com compiled a list of 347 women killed by legal abortions since 1973.2 Furthermore, according to the National Cancer Institute, an induced abortion raises a woman's chance of getting cancer before age 45, by 50%. If the abortion is performed after age 30, it increases 110%; if before age 18, it goes up 150%.

The Coalition on Abortion/Breast Cancer reports: "28 out of 37 worldwide studies have independently linked induced abortion with breast cancer. Thirteen out of fifteen studies conducted on American women report increased risk. Seventeen studies are statistically significant, sixteen of which found increased risk. Most of the studies have been conducted by abortion supporters."3

6. Embryonic stem-cell and human cloning research: a biogenetic Tower of Babel
In a cynical but logical progression, the culture of death is now bent on engendering human life so as to destroy it. Its new frontier is embryonic stem-cell and human cloning research. In the name of science and health, human life is destroyed at its very inception and "limited" cloning is used to produce usable cells that can be manipulated and harvested to aid the living. In short, the remaining ethical barriers that preserve human dignity and God's rights in Creation are steadily coming down. The biotech revolution has as its avowed goal not just curing disease but the construction of a "brave new world" of genetic engineering, changing the very makeup and design of man himself. We cannot permit the completion of this challenge to God, a new Tower of Babel, which will be like another Pandora's box, unleashing untold ethical and moral havoc on our nation.

7. Breaking the abortion cycle
Abortion is evil because it created a horrific abortion cycle that perpetuates this sin. The abortion mentality destroys the family by making it more difficult for new Americans who survive beyond the womb to find the family welded together by the indissoluble bond of marriage solely between a man and a woman. Children need families that will nurture them, guard their innocence and develop their personalities. In particular, all children must find within their homes the Faith that enables them to know, love and serve God in this world and be happy with Him forever in the next. As long as the traditional family remains in crisis, we will never sever the power lines that supply the abortion mills. As long as the Faith remains dead in souls, we will never wipe out the moral rot of sexual immorality, which is the contaminated soil where the abortion movement grows and flourishes.

8. Roe v. Wade: 31 Years of Lies
The 31st anniversary of the Supreme Court’s infamous Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion-on-demand calls to mind the biggest pack of lies ever set in motion - lies that have cost the lives of more than 42 million innocent babies cruelly torn from their mothers' wombs. How can such slaughter, numerically on par with Hitler's Germany or Stalin’s Russia, be tolerated by the present United States of America, a republic purportedly based on moral values and human rights?

9. Addressing an abortionist
Once you were an enchanting child, as all babies are. Today you are an abortionist, a killer of babies. Do you not regret your wicked deeds? Do you not see the innocent blood of our children that stains your hands and cries out to God? Have you no shame as did our first parents when they sinned against God? Why do you not turn to Him today, seek His forgiveness and His strength never again to murder the innocent? Would you not rather bring children into the world than destroy them? Children you could raise with respect for life to take the place of those you robbed from God?

10. The dangerous slippery slope
Yesterday it was contraception. Today it's abortion, the murder of unborn children, and same-sex "marriage." Will it be euthanasia tomorrow? Then what...? Once abortion is universally accepted, what logical arguments will stop euthanasia and other forms of murder?

Other helpful tidbits
- The unborn baby"s heart starts beating at 20 days4 and the brain gives off brainwaves at 40 days.5 If these factors are used by the law to determine death, why can't they be used to determine life?
- Babies can survive outside the womb at 21 weeks.6
- By 14 weeks, the entire body surface, except the back and top of the head, are sensitive to pain.7
- The embryo is not a blueprint that becomes a human being, any more than a paper blueprint becomes a house.8


1. your god doesn't belong in this issue. he aborts pregnancies daily. they're called miscarriages.

2.abortion and war are not comparable. you lose.

3.life started millions upon millions of years ago. you lose again.

4. mankind kills people and animals daily. you lose again

5. abortion is statistically safer than giving birth. you lose again

6. you don't know jack about stem cell research. it also has NOTHING to do with abortions. you lose again.

7. abortion destroys nothing but the pregnancy. you lose again.

8. roe vs wade was passed because a woman's body is her own and she shouldn't be forced to remain pregnant. just because you have a fetus-fetish, doesn't give you the right to tell other women what to do.

9. an abortion provider doesn't kill babies. you lose again.

10. you don't belong in my bedroom or a gay couple's bedroom. sex is not just for procreation. DEAL WITH IT!

and your facts are lies. the primitive heart tube begins beating at 5 weeks. PRIMITIVE brain waves begin then. ACTUAL brain waves begin at 22 weeks at the EARLIEST. a premie's chances of survival are low at 21 weeks. 24 weeks is when the premie has the BEST chance of survival. pain cannot be felt until the cerebral cortex, the thalamus and the receptors connecting the two are developed and "up and running", which is not until 24-26 weeks.

why don't you do REAL research before spewing lies and ignorance.
Master Secret Asian Man
WitheringRoseOfDecay
YourBreakingJoker
I cant beleve that anybody can actually support MURDER of innocent babies. Killing innocent babies before their even born is WRONG and a SIN and anyone who cant see that is just lying to themselves to feel better. YOU CANT LIE TO GOD. GOD KNOWS THAT YOU SINNED. evil
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abortion cannot be murder because murder is against the law. there are no babies involved in abortions. your god doesn't belong in this issue.

you fail.


Thanks for once again stretching the page with a point that's already been ripped to death.

You fail.


didn't realize it was stretched.
WitheringRoseofDecay,

Do you mind responding to actually relevant posts instead of what we already know is horseshit? Thanks.

Master Secret Asian Man
braidedsilver
Alright peoples, I have a scenario for you, doesn't matter if you're pro-life or pro-choice, lets see who decides what.

So let's say you're a woman and you're pregnant. This is wonderful, you love your husband you've been trying hard for this baby and you couldn't be happier. However, the pregnancy seems to be taking and extra toll on you so you go see a doctor. Some time later you find out you have cancer. Lymphoma- which is virtually untreatable. You're given a choice. Abort and undergo treatment with a very small success rate, or have the baby and resign yourself to death. Which do you choose?

Please note this is a scenario based on my grandmother in 1951, from what I understand the treatments haven't gotten much better but at the time it wasn't very good. TL;DR she died, my dad lived.


This is a great example. Abortion shouldnt be based on a solid standard of right and wrong but on a circumstantial basis. But since it is unreal to investigate every pregnant womans lifestyle to determine if she is psychologically and financially ready to bear a child then it only makes since to leave it to each persons judgement. If a womans pregnant and doesnt want the child then how well do you think it will be treated. I know several people who were accidents and whose parents still act like children while beating and psychologically abusing their kids. Its parents like this that lead to more unwanted pregnancies since those kids never learned more than their parents let them. If you really believe in Pro-life then go look up worst cases of child abuse to see what these "parents" did to their kids. Alot of parents that do have an accidental birth are either too selfish or embarrassed to give it up for adoption.
Ooh. This'll be fun. First and foremost: variables.
Joshp1990
This is a great example. Abortion shouldnt be based on a solid standard of right and wrong but on a circumstantial basis. But since it is unreal to investigate every pregnant womans lifestyle to determine if she is psychologically and financially ready to bear a child then it only makes since to leave it to each persons judgement.
Does this apply only to abortion or can I use it across the board? If we had a magic brain TV to see if people were mentally and financially ready to have kids, would you force those that were not to abort?
WitheringRoseOfDecay
7. abortion destroys nothing but the pregnancy. you lose again.
Really? You sure there's nothing else destroyed in an abortion? Nothing else at all?
GoatShow
WitheringRoseOfDecay
7. abortion destroys nothing but the pregnancy. you lose again.
Really? You sure there's nothing else destroyed in an abortion? Nothing else at all?
Oh, you're right. Something else is destroyed: a clump of cells called the fetus. xd
GoatShow
WitheringRoseOfDecay
7. abortion destroys nothing but the pregnancy. you lose again.
Really? You sure there's nothing else destroyed in an abortion? Nothing else at all?


Using her definition, abortion being illegal would mean that normal child birth is illegal rofl
Mundus Transit
GoatShow
WitheringRoseOfDecay
7. abortion destroys nothing but the pregnancy. you lose again.
Really? You sure there's nothing else destroyed in an abortion? Nothing else at all?


Using her definition, abortion being illegal would mean that normal child birth is illegal rofl


Women are boned either way! surprised
GoatShow
WitheringRoseOfDecay
7. abortion destroys nothing but the pregnancy. you lose again.
Really? You sure there's nothing else destroyed in an abortion? Nothing else at all?

Can you prove the fetus is not intact when taken out?

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