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My Conscience
aisukurimu911
My friend is 13 and she is pregnate and she is keeping the baby. My OTHER from is only 12 sweatdrop and she is getting an abortion....that is reasonable...teenage sluts should get an abortion...but yet I think thay they should keep it and learn their lesson

I don't like to call women who have an abortion sluts sweatdrop

!!NO!! Not at all!!! I was just calling the 12 year old a slut...that is her 2nd time being pregnate...there is no Xcuse for that stare
My Conscience

I'll repost my arguement:

LAW:
United States Consitution; The 14th Amendent
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
  • My opening statement to this Amendment is that I believe it protects zygotes/fetus by guaranteeing every person the right to life.
  • Here is my lingustic anaylsis:
  • "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." - This just states that all people who have a naturalization card or were born on United States soil are citizens of this country and have to abide by the laws.
  • " No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States..." - no state can make or enforce any laws that go against any citizens civil liberties.
  • "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;" - hence how they used citizen throught the amendment but used person instead in this section. Every person on United States soil, whether citizen or not, has the right to life and due process. This is the part that protects illegal aliens from being killed on U.S. soil and makes it illegal.
  • "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." - every person, including non-citizens, are guaranteed equal protection of the laws with due process.

And once again, none of those statements are in reference to those who have not been born yet. They reference only those who have been born, in either this country or another, but have proven their knowledge of how this country runs.
Rinaqa
My Conscience
Rinaqa
Technically, a fetus is a parasite. It feeds off the mother to grow and become stronger. It is dependant on her for the first few years of its life.

Linguisitically, parasite is a terminisitic screen 3nodding


Actually, the Webster definition of the term parasite is:

<i>Main Entry: par·a·site
Pronunciation: 'par-&-"sIt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from Latin parasitus, from Greek parasitos, from para- + sitos grain, food
1 : a person who exploits the hospitality of the rich and earns welcome by flattery
2 : an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism
3 : something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return</i>

Which is what a fetus is/does. So it's not a person. End of.

Do you even know what a terminisitic screen is? sweatdrop
You're a big clump of cells. You're a sentient primate. And I could continue. Nevertheless, behind all these words, what are you? A human 3nodding
[I am teh Haruka]
aisukurimu911
My friend is 13 and she is pregnate and she is keeping the baby. My OTHER from is only 12 sweatdrop and she is getting an abortion....that is reasonable...teenage sluts should get an abortion...but yet I think thay they should keep it and learn their lesson


Wow. So I sleep with the same guy for a few years and get pregnant. I'm a slut now?

You're saying that women should be forced through pregnancy and be forced to keep it as a form of punishment? You're saying that children should be punishments now? Great.

The 12 year old....her second time being pregnate..I was calling HER a slut...
aisukurimu911
My friend is 13 and she is pregnate and she is keeping the baby. My OTHER from is only 12 sweatdrop and she is getting an abortion....that is reasonable...teenage sluts should get an abortion...but yet I think thay they should keep it and learn their lesson

How incredibly ******** stupid. "I think that we should make children a punishment for 'stupid sluts' who can't keep their legs closed- and are 12 years old to boot! They'll definitely make great mothers." rolleyes
Ugg....I think I'll just leave I am not getting my point across the way I mean it to. stressed
aisukurimu911
[I am teh Haruka]
aisukurimu911
My friend is 13 and she is pregnate and she is keeping the baby. My OTHER from is only 12 sweatdrop and she is getting an abortion....that is reasonable...teenage sluts should get an abortion...but yet I think thay they should keep it and learn their lesson


Wow. So I sleep with the same guy for a few years and get pregnant. I'm a slut now?

You're saying that women should be forced through pregnancy and be forced to keep it as a form of punishment? You're saying that children should be punishments now? Great.

The 12 year old....her second time being pregnate..I was calling HER a slut...


Doesn't matter who you're calling a slut.

If a woman gets pregnant more than two times, she's a slut?

Well, then. My mother is a slut I guess.
caela_rue
My Conscience

I'll repost my arguement:

LAW:
United States Consitution; The 14th Amendent
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
  • My opening statement to this Amendment is that I believe it protects zygotes/fetus by guaranteeing every person the right to life.
  • Here is my lingustic anaylsis:
  • "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." - This just states that all people who have a naturalization card or were born on United States soil are citizens of this country and have to abide by the laws.
  • " No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States..." - no state can make or enforce any laws that go against any citizens civil liberties.
  • "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;" - hence how they used citizen throught the amendment but used person instead in this section. Every person on United States soil, whether citizen or not, has the right to life and due process. This is the part that protects illegal aliens from being killed on U.S. soil and makes it illegal.
  • "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." - every person, including non-citizens, are guaranteed equal protection of the laws with due process.

And once again, none of those statements are in reference to those who have not been born yet. They reference only those who have been born, in either this country or another, but have proven their knowledge of how this country runs.

Most pro-choicers say that the amendment protains only to those who are born. Being born has nothing to do with recieving protection under the law. Born only is accountable in the section where if you were born in the U.S. you are a citizen. That is it. People then start applying being born to other parts were it does not apply.
My Conscience
Rinaqa
My Conscience
Rinaqa
Technically, a fetus is a parasite. It feeds off the mother to grow and become stronger. It is dependant on her for the first few years of its life.

Linguisitically, parasite is a terminisitic screen 3nodding


Actually, the Webster definition of the term parasite is:

<i>Main Entry: par·a·site
Pronunciation: 'par-&-"sIt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from Latin parasitus, from Greek parasitos, from para- + sitos grain, food
1 : a person who exploits the hospitality of the rich and earns welcome by flattery
2 : an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism
3 : something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return</i>

Which is what a fetus is/does. So it's not a person. End of.

Do you even know what a terminisitic screen is? sweatdrop
You're a big clump of cells. You're a sentient primate. And I could continue. Nevertheless, behind all these words, what are you? A human 3nodding


I can now say I've got an understanding of the phrase terministic screen. But you still haven't proved that a fetus is a person. Person was the issue at hand, not human.
Aren't laws supposed to help people and make society a better place?

Why should one person's beliefs dictate another person's beliefs?

Against abortion? Don't get one. It's that simple.

EDIT: Natas Ferret - That's not what I meant, and you know it.
Dictionaries define person as:

<i>per·son ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pûrsn)
n.
A living human. Often used in combination: chairperson; spokesperson; salesperson.
An individual of specified character: a person of importance.
The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self.
The living body of a human: searched the prisoner's person.
Physique and general appearance.
Law. A human or organization with legal rights and duties.
Christianity. Any of the three separate individualities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as distinguished from the essence of the Godhead that unites them.
Grammar.
Any of three groups of pronoun forms with corresponding verb inflections that distinguish the speaker (first person), the individual addressed (second person), and the individual or thing spoken of (third person).
Any of the different forms or inflections expressing these distinctions.
A character or role, as in a play; a guise: “Well, in her person, I say I will not have you” (Shakespeare).</i>

Human is something different:

<i>Main Entry: 1hu·man
Pronunciation: 'hyü-m&n, 'yü-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English humain, from Middle French, from Latin humanus; akin to Latin homo human being -- more at HOMAGE
1 : of, relating to, or characteristic of humans
2 : consisting of humans
3 a : having human form or attributes b : susceptible to or representative of the sympathies and frailties of human nature <such an inconsistency is very human </i>
My Conscience

Most pro-choicers say that the amendment protains only to those who are born.

That might be because the amendment states in plain English that one must be born before becoming subject to the protection of the law.

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Being born has nothing to do with recieving protection under the law.

Find me the part of the Constitution that states plainly-without room for interpretation-that fetii are considered people, and are bestowed the same rights and privileges as born people.

A fetus is not considered a legal person, nor is it considered a citizen. If it were, it would be issued a Social Security number upon its conception, and would be counted on the census.

Quote:
Born only is accountable in the section where if you were born in the U.S. you are a citizen. That is it. People then start applying being born to other parts were it does not apply.

The thing of it is, you can't have any rights unless you have been born. Doesn't matter which country you were born in; you still need to be born first before any kind of rights are established.
Stormeh
And there are many reasons to why a woman would get an abortion, other than rape, and you can't make an exception for every one of these women. Sure, some women are ready for the babies, and I guess you'd have a problem with that, but a lot are not. Some have AIDS and don't want a baby with AIDS, some have deep financial issues, some aren't physically able to have a baby... I believe that women should take it seriously, and it's a very light way to see it to say "Abortions are wrong and should be banned."
... And besides, if a woman says "I DON'T WANT TO BE A BABY I'LL BE FAT" and she's 20, she wouldn't make a very good mother anyways.
There have never been any laws on our uteruses, and I intend there not to be.


PREGNANCY IS OPPRESSION

XP

Seriously though, it's like putting laws on a p***s.
[I am teh Haruka]
Aren't laws supposed to help people and make society a better place?

Why should one person's beliefs dictate another person's beliefs?

Against abortion? Don't get one. It's that simple.

EDIT: Natas Ferret - That's not what I meant, and you know it.

Ever hear of Baron de Montesquieu, John Locke, Thomas Paine? They all had beliefs that really make up the constitution sweatdrop
Rinaqa
Stormeh
And there are many reasons to why a woman would get an abortion, other than rape, and you can't make an exception for every one of these women. Sure, some women are ready for the babies, and I guess you'd have a problem with that, but a lot are not. Some have AIDS and don't want a baby with AIDS, some have deep financial issues, some aren't physically able to have a baby... I believe that women should take it seriously, and it's a very light way to see it to say "Abortions are wrong and should be banned."
... And besides, if a woman says "I DON'T WANT TO BE A BABY I'LL BE FAT" and she's 20, she wouldn't make a very good mother anyways.
There have never been any laws on our uteruses, and I intend there not to be.


PREGNANCY IS OPPRESSION

XP

Seriously though, it's like putting laws on a p***s.

There actually are sweatdrop Indecent exposure, adults can't stick it in minors sweatdrop

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