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Post: 39346241_31 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:43 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:43 pm
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Have you seen what large caliber rounds do to the human body? A 7.62. round from an AK-47 can do some serious damage, that is if you can hit the target, A .50 cal round will put a large hole in you or tear off a limb. A canon, like the ones used during the Civil War, can shred you to bits, amputate arms and legs. A sword can cause some gruesome injuries, but not like a gun can.
Oh bullshit. A .50BMG will rip a nice clean paper-punch hole through you. It won't even begin to tumble until it's 6" behind you. A cannon will rip a body part off, sure, but those are inaccurate as hell. You can't hit one man with a cannon. A 7.62 will do some good damage, but you're not going to have your stomach falling out of your chest cavity because of it. Google "knife fight wounds" and come back, weeaboo. Also, read the entire first post.
 
     
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Post: 39346241_32 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:43 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:43 pm
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The Assassin's guise is about the closest your going to get for now. if you want an actual revolver start a petition. I'm sure if they had guns to put down revolts they would have. I like both weapons, so it would be hard to choose one over the other.

Then don't bring up avatars if you are just going to bow out. You complained about him having a sword while your avatar is being tied down and eaten by a snake. If you are going to use avatars as a point maker, don't look like a victim.
     
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Post: 39346241_33 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:43 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:43 pm
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I think a gun is cowardess since you don't have to get up close and actually defend yourself. A sword requires skill in blocking an attack, the ability to swing effectivly and keeping balance as you fight. A gun, the only skill you need is to know how to aim, and that can be learned in a week if it's your first time and you're dedicated, and probably less than a day for any similar style of gun. Go to the army, see if they ask how heavy a bullet is or how much ammo is left at any given time? If the wind is bad aim to the side to counter it, if the wind actually causes a difference. If you're out of bullets, stick more in. If you're standing and shooting at a moving target, why the hell aren't you behind cover either?

Back to your stilleto argument, you're referring to fencing which WAS a gentleman's sport in England.
Take two fourth paragraphs and call me in the morning. You have no goddamn idea what you're talking about. I know EXACTLY how heavy my bullets are, and it's not "aim to the side". It took me THREE YEARS to figure out how far to the side I should aim (much faster than most), and wind changes by the SECOND.


I know pretty damn well what I'm talking about. What point is there to knowing how heavy a bullet is? Once it's flying it's just death. You're argument to that will likely be range, but you wouldn't shoot at somthing you wouldn't think you could hit anyway.

As for the wind, it takes half a second to adjust and if you're in a serious fight you'd be shooting fast enough that you'd hit eventually. The only good use of guns is in war, and handguns are best used in close quarters. That leaves you with semi automatics and guns that shoot enough to etch a line in a wall, enough chance that you'd hit someone and move on.

Oh, and the three year thing? The army trains recruits for 6 weeks before they get shipped over seas, and I doubt every moment is spent on guns.
 
     
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Post: 39346241_34 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:44 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:44 pm
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You're so right. Lightsabers are far more superior.
Lightsabers are incredibly humane. They cauterize. You saw Qui-Gon. Did he bleed? No.
     
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Post: 39346241_35 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:45 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:45 pm
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Quite frankly, there is nothing honorable about fighting. The means you use to ensure your survival doesn't matter as long as you live. "Cheating" is entirely acceptable and just plain smart.


Now, for the weaboos who want to "look into the eyes of their enemy," (whoever that is...) you're right. In order to effectively use a blade without a death wish, you have to resort to surreptitious or deceitful measures.
 
     
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Post: 39346241_36 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:46 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:46 pm
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I think a gun is cowardess since you don't have to get up close and actually defend yourself. A sword requires skill in blocking an attack, the ability to swing effectivly and keeping balance as you fight. A gun, the only skill you need is to know how to aim, and that can be learned in a week if it's your first time and you're dedicated, and probably less than a day for any similar style of gun. Go to the army, see if they ask how heavy a bullet is or how much ammo is left at any given time? If the wind is bad aim to the side to counter it, if the wind actually causes a difference. If you're out of bullets, stick more in. If you're standing and shooting at a moving target, why the hell aren't you behind cover either?

Back to your stilleto argument, you're referring to fencing which WAS a gentleman's sport in England.
Take two fourth paragraphs and call me in the morning. You have no goddamn idea what you're talking about. I know EXACTLY how heavy my bullets are, and it's not "aim to the side". It took me THREE YEARS to figure out how far to the side I should aim (much faster than most), and wind changes by the SECOND.


I know pretty damn well what I'm talking about. What point is there to knowing how heavy a bullet is? Once it's flying it's just death. You're argument to that will likely be range, but you wouldn't shoot at somthing you wouldn't think you could hit anyway.

As for the wind, it takes half a second to adjust and if you're in a serious fight you'd be shooting fast enough that you'd hit eventually. The only good use of guns is in war, and handguns are best used in close quarters. That leaves you with semi automatics and guns that shoot enough to etch a line in a wall, enough chance that you'd hit someone and move on.

Oh, and the three year thing? The army trains recruits for 6 weeks before they get shipped over seas, and I doubt every moment is spent on guns.
You say you know what your talking about and then you turn around and ask me what's the point of knowing how heavy a bullet is? You're a fucking idiot, and a liar. I should ask you to GTFO my thread right now. A 55 grain .223 will move almost three times as far in the wind as an 80 grain bullet would. An 80 or 90 grain bullet can easily hit from 600 yards. A 55? Good fucking luck. And no, it takes far more than a half second... y'know what? You're a liar and a poser and you're talking out your a**. GTFO my thread. I'm done with you.
     
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Post: 39346241_37 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:47 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:47 pm
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Have you seen what large caliber rounds do to the human body? A 7.62. round from an AK-47 can do some serious damage, that is if you can hit the target, A .50 cal round will put a large hole in you or tear off a limb. A canon, like the ones used during the Civil War, can shred you to bits, amputate arms and legs. A sword can cause some gruesome injuries, but not like a gun can.

Show me a bladed weapon that might be comparable to a cannon and your argument might have a point.

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Post: 39346241_38 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:48 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:48 pm
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The second argument left standing is that a kill with a sword allows you to feel the life of another man when you take it. I ask you this, what kind of fucked-up sadist enjoys the feeling of another man's life slipping away between his fingers? That's not honorable, that's monstrous. That's the kind of thing a man like Mengele or Torquemada would enjoy.

Firstly, I'm the kind of person that would enjoy that. If I was to kill someone, I would mean it. As such I would like to see them die up close.

Secondly, while I don't agree with your hatred towards the sword. I do agree with you that the Gun is definetly mightier than the sword, and in any fight I'd rather have a pistol than a sword. Swords are outdated anyway, people need to stray away from there fantasy books and movies that have 'honourable' ninjas and samurais with swords, and come back to reality and know that a man with a a fully automatic gun would tear you shreds before you could even have a second to think about drawing your sword from its scabard.
     
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Post: 39346241_39 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:48 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:48 pm
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Have you seen what large caliber rounds do to the human body? A 7.62. round from an AK-47 can do some serious damage, that is if you can hit the target, A .50 cal round will put a large hole in you or tear off a limb. A canon, like the ones used during the Civil War, can shred you to bits, amputate arms and legs. A sword can cause some gruesome injuries, but not like a gun can.

Show me a bladed weapon that might be comparable to a cannon and your argument might have a point.

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Who was it used by, how big is it, and what specifically does it do?

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Post: 39346241_40 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:48 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:48 pm
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I think a gun is cowardess since you don't have to get up close and actually defend yourself. A sword requires skill in blocking an attack, the ability to swing effectivly and keeping balance as you fight. A gun, the only skill you need is to know how to aim, and that can be learned in a week if it's your first time and you're dedicated, and probably less than a day for any similar style of gun. Go to the army, see if they ask how heavy a bullet is or how much ammo is left at any given time? If the wind is bad aim to the side to counter it, if the wind actually causes a difference. If you're out of bullets, stick more in. If you're standing and shooting at a moving target, why the hell aren't you behind cover either?

Back to your stilleto argument, you're referring to fencing which WAS a gentleman's sport in England.

Gentlemen were pricks riding on the backs of peasants. Not really honorable.
You're off topic, please try an arguement that actually relates to swords or guns instead of pilfering taxes.

Not really, I was responding to your nonsense about a Gentleman's Sport. Who gives a f**k about Gentleman's Sports? It didn't invalidate his stiletto argument.
His arguement was that it was unfair and non-honerable to use it against your foe, I think my arguement effectivly ties into it. And yeah, it was a gentleman sport. However, I don't think fencing was popular until the 1700's, when the british army would use muskets.
     
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Post: 39346241_41 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:48 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:48 pm
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Have you seen what large caliber rounds do to the human body? A 7.62. round from an AK-47 can do some serious damage, that is if you can hit the target, A .50 cal round will put a large hole in you or tear off a limb. A canon, like the ones used during the Civil War, can shred you to bits, amputate arms and legs. A sword can cause some gruesome injuries, but not like a gun can.

Show me a bladed weapon that might be comparable to a cannon and your argument might have a point.

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Ummm... No.
 
     
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Post: 39346241_42 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:48 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:48 pm
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Have you seen what large caliber rounds do to the human body? A 7.62. round from an AK-47 can do some serious damage, that is if you can hit the target, A .50 cal round will put a large hole in you or tear off a limb. A canon, like the ones used during the Civil War, can shred you to bits, amputate arms and legs. A sword can cause some gruesome injuries, but not like a gun can.

Show me a bladed weapon that might be comparable to a cannon and your argument might have a point.

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A bat'leth....
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That's comparable to a polearm, not a cannon.
     
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Post: 39346241_43 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:48 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:48 pm
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I think maybe you should find a re-enactment group and pick up a sword, engage in an obviously non-fatal battle with another person, and tell me just how cowardly you feel after that. Swords require you to get up close and personal with another person who could kill you just as easy as you could kill them, it all depends on whos smarter, faster, and stronger with their weapon.

Ever seen a weastern or a war film? Guns are just as scary. They just take less time.

This entire debate is silly. Guns are the more effective weapon, obviously. How cool one weapon is over another is just stupid and utterely irrelevent (and a matter of opioin). If fighting wars were about looking cool...
Uh. What a stupid idea.
And all weapons require skill, the degree of which depends on how well your oponant is using it. Unless its a nuke. Then it just requires suicide.
 
     
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Post: 39346241_44 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:49 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:49 pm
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And yet your holding a sword? Do you know how much skill and practice it takes to properly learn to wield a sword? Years. A gun can be used by any simpleton in a matter of days or weeks. For ages the sword was seen as a weapon of honor. Noblemen fought with swords long before the gun was invented. What do you think was used to lead troops into battle? A sword.


Someone didn't read the topic.
     
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Post: 39346241_45 created on Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:49 pmPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:49 pm
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Have you seen what large caliber rounds do to the human body? A 7.62. round from an AK-47 can do some serious damage, that is if you can hit the target, A .50 cal round will put a large hole in you or tear off a limb. A canon, like the ones used during the Civil War, can shred you to bits, amputate arms and legs. A sword can cause some gruesome injuries, but not like a gun can.


A cannon is in its own category. Besides, no one in their right mind would carry a cannon in their back pocket.
 
     
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