Swords are a weapon for cowards V2.0

[Tuah]

I prefer swords, myself. The only kind of gun I really like is the pretty pirate ones.

True honor does not lie in the weapon, but in the individual.

[CrackaDoom]

Heather Ann Potter

I do martial arts, so I believe my greatest weapon is my body.

That's great. What better weapon than one that is always prepared at a moments notice, with practically no chance of being lost or stolen or accidentally misused. But remember, not everyone is as capable of defending themselves with their own body as you or I. Some people don't have the time, inclination, capability (physical impairment), or may just not like it.

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Personally, I dont like guns. Guns let uneducated people and young children hurt each other.

And people who are less than physically capable defend themselves from superior attackers.

[Heather_In_Octane]

CrackaDoom

That's great. What better weapon than one that is always prepared at a moments notice, with practically no chance of being lost or stolen or accidentally misused. But remember, not everyone is as capable of defending themselves with their own body as you or I. Some people don't have the time, inclination, capability (physical impairment), or may just not like it.

I agree. Martial arts are not for everyone, its a hard battle and a journey that never ends. Not many people can do that. As one of my senseis told me a long time ago, if getting a black belt was easy, everyone would have one.

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And people who are less than physically capable defend themselves from superior attackers.

I can concede that some people do need guns, but I just dont like them.

[Dreadghost]

Heather Ann Potter

CrackaDoom

That's great. What better weapon than one that is always prepared at a moments notice, with practically no chance of being lost or stolen or accidentally misused. But remember, not everyone is as capable of defending themselves with their own body as you or I. Some people don't have the time, inclination, capability (physical impairment), or may just not like it.

I agree. Martial arts are not for everyone, its a hard battle and a journey that never ends. Not many people can do that. As one of my senseis told me a long time ago, if getting a black belt was easy, everyone would have one.

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And people who are less than physically capable defend themselves from superior attackers.

I can concede that some people do need guns, but I just dont like them.

The belt system isn't very much of an indicator of you being good. It varies from place to place on how you can get the belt and how well you have to do. Not even taking in account that one person may be very strong and the other very good in technique. Sure you can see who is better in your own group, but a black belt means jack s**t in the rest of the world.

Martial arts also consists of weapon use. Its not purely body based. In theory marksmanship is also a martial arts. No...It IS a martial arts.

[Heather_In_Octane]

Dreadghost

Heather Ann Potter

CrackaDoom

That's great. What better weapon than one that is always prepared at a moments notice, with practically no chance of being lost or stolen or accidentally misused. But remember, not everyone is as capable of defending themselves with their own body as you or I. Some people don't have the time, inclination, capability (physical impairment), or may just not like it.

I agree. Martial arts are not for everyone, its a hard battle and a journey that never ends. Not many people can do that. As one of my senseis told me a long time ago, if getting a black belt was easy, everyone would have one.

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And people who are less than physically capable defend themselves from superior attackers.

I can concede that some people do need guns, but I just dont like them.

The belt system isn't very much of an indicator of you being good. It varies from place to place on how you can get the belt and how well you have to do. Not even taking in account that one person may be very strong and the other very good in technique. Sure you can see who is better in your own group, but a black belt means jack s**t in the rest of the world.

Martial arts also consists of weapon use. Its not purely body based. In theory marksmanship is also a martial arts. No...It IS a martial arts.

I cant think of a single martial art anywhere that uses guns. Martial arts are fighting forms, with the body. The weapons used, swords, staves, sai, eskrima, etc are extensions of ones self. A gun is not an extension of ones self. Although, I will say that in my training against an oponent with a gun, in some instances it is prevelant to shoot them with their own gun. The best option is to get the gun out of the fight and then decimate them.

I also agree on the belt system. Especially when it comes to belt factory dojos. I HATE belt factory dojos. I have been doing this for four years and just recently acheived my 4th belt (purple) in a 6 belt system.

[Tuah]

Heather Ann Potter

I cant think of a single martial art anywhere that uses guns. Martial arts are fighting forms, with the body. The weapons used, swords, staves, sai, eskrima, etc are extensions of ones self. A gun is not an extension of ones self. Although, I will say that in my training against an oponent with a gun, in some instances it is prevelant to shoot them with their own gun. The best option is to get the gun out of the fight and then decimate them.

I also agree on the belt system. Especially when it comes to belt factory dojos. I HATE belt factory dojos. I have been doing this for four years and just recently acheived my 4th belt (purple) in a 6 belt system.

A martial art is a military art. Just as the samurai uses a bow in times of war, so too can a gun be a viable weapon that requires finesse and technique.

[Heather_In_Octane]

Tuah

Heather Ann Potter

I cant think of a single martial art anywhere that uses guns. Martial arts are fighting forms, with the body. The weapons used, swords, staves, sai, eskrima, etc are extensions of ones self. A gun is not an extension of ones self. Although, I will say that in my training against an oponent with a gun, in some instances it is prevelant to shoot them with their own gun. The best option is to get the gun out of the fight and then decimate them.

I also agree on the belt system. Especially when it comes to belt factory dojos. I HATE belt factory dojos. I have been doing this for four years and just recently acheived my 4th belt (purple) in a 6 belt system.

A martial art is a military art. Just as the samurai uses a bow in times of war, so too can a gun be a viable weapon that requires finesse and technique.

Depends. I still cant think of an art that uses guns... some arts dont even use weapons.

[Tuah]

Heather Ann Potter

Tuah

Heather Ann Potter

I cant think of a single martial art anywhere that uses guns. Martial arts are fighting forms, with the body. The weapons used, swords, staves, sai, eskrima, etc are extensions of ones self. A gun is not an extension of ones self. Although, I will say that in my training against an oponent with a gun, in some instances it is prevelant to shoot them with their own gun. The best option is to get the gun out of the fight and then decimate them.

I also agree on the belt system. Especially when it comes to belt factory dojos. I HATE belt factory dojos. I have been doing this for four years and just recently acheived my 4th belt (purple) in a 6 belt system.

A martial art is a military art. Just as the samurai uses a bow in times of war, so too can a gun be a viable weapon that requires finesse and technique.

Depends. I still cant think of an art that uses guns... some arts dont even use weapons.

Samurai learned to use guns as a part of their military training.

[Heather_In_Octane]

Tuah

Heather Ann Potter

Tuah

Heather Ann Potter

I cant think of a single martial art anywhere that uses guns. Martial arts are fighting forms, with the body. The weapons used, swords, staves, sai, eskrima, etc are extensions of ones self. A gun is not an extension of ones self. Although, I will say that in my training against an oponent with a gun, in some instances it is prevelant to shoot them with their own gun. The best option is to get the gun out of the fight and then decimate them.

I also agree on the belt system. Especially when it comes to belt factory dojos. I HATE belt factory dojos. I have been doing this for four years and just recently acheived my 4th belt (purple) in a 6 belt system.

A martial art is a military art. Just as the samurai uses a bow in times of war, so too can a gun be a viable weapon that requires finesse and technique.

Depends. I still cant think of an art that uses guns... some arts dont even use weapons.

Samurai learned to use guns as a part of their military training.

"samurai" is not a martial art. Samurai were japanese soldiers.

[Dreadghost]

Heather Ann Potter

Dreadghost

Heather Ann Potter

CrackaDoom

That's great. What better weapon than one that is always prepared at a moments notice, with practically no chance of being lost or stolen or accidentally misused. But remember, not everyone is as capable of defending themselves with their own body as you or I. Some people don't have the time, inclination, capability (physical impairment), or may just not like it.

I agree. Martial arts are not for everyone, its a hard battle and a journey that never ends. Not many people can do that. As one of my senseis told me a long time ago, if getting a black belt was easy, everyone would have one.

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And people who are less than physically capable defend themselves from superior attackers.

I can concede that some people do need guns, but I just dont like them.

The belt system isn't very much of an indicator of you being good. It varies from place to place on how you can get the belt and how well you have to do. Not even taking in account that one person may be very strong and the other very good in technique. Sure you can see who is better in your own group, but a black belt means jack s**t in the rest of the world.

Martial arts also consists of weapon use. Its not purely body based. In theory marksmanship is also a martial arts. No...It IS a martial arts.

I cant think of a single martial art anywhere that uses guns. Martial arts are fighting forms, with the body. The weapons used, swords, staves, sai, eskrima, etc are extensions of ones self. A gun is not an extension of ones self. Although, I will say that in my training against an oponent with a gun, in some instances it is prevelant to shoot them with their own gun. The best option is to get the gun out of the fight and then decimate them.

I also agree on the belt system. Especially when it comes to belt factory dojos. I HATE belt factory dojos. I have been doing this for four years and just recently acheived my 4th belt (purple) in a 6 belt system.

Any martial art that the military teaches could be considered to go hand in hand with a firearm. Sure no old martial art will teach the use of a gun since it either A) Didn't exist or B) Wasn't used as much as it is now.

Extension of ones self? A gun could be considered that. How about if you where to use a gun while having a bayonet mounted on it? You can throw a spear and I know for a fact a spear is considered "an extension of ones self" so the "its a ballistics weapon" argument gets beaten down quite fast. Marksmen have just as much right to call their selves a martial artists as I have, of course the term martial arts is often miss used.

What martial art do you participate in?

[Tuah]

Heather Ann Potter

"samurai" is not a martial art. Samurai were japanese soldiers.

And they used guns as part of their military prowess, the same way as they would use a bow or sword.

[CrackaDoom]

Heather Ann Potter

Tuah

Heather Ann Potter

Tuah

Heather Ann Potter

I cant think of a single martial art anywhere that uses guns. Martial arts are fighting forms, with the body. The weapons used, swords, staves, sai, eskrima, etc are extensions of ones self. A gun is not an extension of ones self. Although, I will say that in my training against an oponent with a gun, in some instances it is prevelant to shoot them with their own gun. The best option is to get the gun out of the fight and then decimate them.

I also agree on the belt system. Especially when it comes to belt factory dojos. I HATE belt factory dojos. I have been doing this for four years and just recently acheived my 4th belt (purple) in a 6 belt system.

A martial art is a military art. Just as the samurai uses a bow in times of war, so too can a gun be a viable weapon that requires finesse and technique.

Depends. I still cant think of an art that uses guns... some arts dont even use weapons.

Samurai learned to use guns as a part of their military training.

"samurai" is not a martial art. Samurai were japanese soldiers.

A "martial art" is any form of combat that can be taught or mastered. Marskmanship, technically, is a martial art of its own.

[Heather_In_Octane]

Dreadghost

Any martial art that the military teaches could be considered to go hand in hand with a firearm. Sure no old martial art will teach the use of a gun since it either A) Didn't exist or B) Wasn't used as much as it is now.

Extension of ones self? A gun could be considered that. How about if you where to use a gun while having a bayonet mounted on it? You can throw a spear and I know for a fact a spear is considered "an extension of ones self" so the "its a ballistics weapon" argument gets beaten down quite fast. Marksmen have just as much right to call their selves a martial artists as I have, of course the term martial arts is often miss used.

What martial art do you participate in?

I can see your point there. I can see arguments made for both sides. It would be better if I wasnt biased against guns.

Its called Katana Jitsu. the master of my dojo has been teaching for 30 + years, and he is an ex navy seal. So believe me, he advocates gun use, but doesnt incorporate it.

Its a mix of shotokan kick boxing, tai chi and tae kwon do.

[Heather_In_Octane]

CrackaDoom

A "martial art" is any form of combat that can be taught or mastered. Marskmanship, technically, is a martial art of its own.

Here:
martial arts
 
–noun
any of the traditional forms of Oriental self-defense or combat that utilize physical skill and coordination without weapons, as karate, aikido, judo, or kung fu, often practiced as sport.
Also, martial art.


Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_arts

Here: http://www.martialinfo.com/

And thousands more just like it. Martial arts is any extension of tradiational oriental fighting styles.

[Dreadghost]

Heather Ann Potter

Tuah

Heather Ann Potter

Tuah

Heather Ann Potter

I cant think of a single martial art anywhere that uses guns. Martial arts are fighting forms, with the body. The weapons used, swords, staves, sai, eskrima, etc are extensions of ones self. A gun is not an extension of ones self. Although, I will say that in my training against an oponent with a gun, in some instances it is prevelant to shoot them with their own gun. The best option is to get the gun out of the fight and then decimate them.

I also agree on the belt system. Especially when it comes to belt factory dojos. I HATE belt factory dojos. I have been doing this for four years and just recently acheived my 4th belt (purple) in a 6 belt system.

A martial art is a military art. Just as the samurai uses a bow in times of war, so too can a gun be a viable weapon that requires finesse and technique.

Depends. I still cant think of an art that uses guns... some arts dont even use weapons.

Samurai learned to use guns as a part of their military training.

"samurai" is not a martial art. Samurai were japanese soldiers.

Samurai where semi equivalent to the European "knight". Now I don't know much about Samurai since the majority of Japanese culture is crap to me, but I do know what a "knight" is and I know the similarity of them to a Japanese samurai. They had their own martial arts, Jujitsu was one of them. European's had their own type and didn't care to actually call it anything thats why it is called "European Martial arts". It involved the use of Shields,Swords,Axes,Maces,Polearms (Spears,halberds,longer axes etc) Bows,Crossbows,Javelins,Slings,Warhammers,daggers and other more rare types of weapons. It also had a wrestling type of mélee combat a lot like Systema...It actually more or less is systema just not used in our modern world.