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Post: 44485397_1 created on Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:43 amPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:43 am
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Alright, we're back in business. There was a bit of a misunderstanding, and the OP wasn't lost, it was just harder to find than I expected. I will now try to act as a better moderator of this thread. The reason the other thread got s**t-canned is because some of the regulars got unruly and downright mean, so I'm going to have to ask that you calm down. And now here we go with the orignal OP:
THIS IS THE ED. I EXPECT YOU TO READ ALL OF THIS, OR DON'T COMMENT I will know if you cheated. I will not respond to random PMs about the thread. Assume I wanted to talk to you about the subject of this thread. Isn't that why I made this thread? USE IT! NO GUNBLADES. Seriously, it's getting old. Swords are a weapon for honorless dogs. We've all seen the debates about why swords are superior to guns. At the end of it, there's only two arguments left standing. The first one is that blades are silent. You often see an argument such as Quote: Swords are silent. I can sneak up on you and your gun and chop your head off before you even know I'm there!!!!1 The second argument left standing is that a kill with a sword allows you to feel the life of another man when you take it. Again, this is an argument I've seen made a hundred times. Swords are better because you can feel the life leave your opponent. I ask you this, what kind of ******** sadist enjoys the feeling of another man's life slipping away between his fingers? That's not honorable, that's monstrous. That's the kind of thing a man like Mengele or Torquemada would enjoy. Footnote for the dense: this statement does not apply to all swordsmen, just the ones that claim this. It's been done before. Those idiots absolutely flock to these threads. A sword is also far more inhumane than a gun. Look up knife fight wounds on Google Images. I won't post them, they're extremely graphic. I'd much rather have a hole in my arm than be missing it completely. A shot to the gut is gruesome, but it's nowhere near as stomach-wrenchingly disgusting as a man whose intestines are falling out of a gaping slash in his torso. While guns can be gruesome, the most hideous and gruesome gunshots are often shots that would have killed the victim instantly. Gruesome sword wounds force the victim to live until enough blood has drained from their bodies for them to pass out and die. The most gruesome gunshots are often headshots, and a wound that destroys the brain ends life instantly. Above all, a sword requires no skill whatsoever to use. You pick it up and wave it around, and you can kill a man with no problem. A gun, however, requires an amazing amount of skill to use properly. One must take into account the movement of the target, the weight of the bullet, the muzzle velocity, the wind, the sight picture, their stance, the number of rounds left in the magazine, whether or not their safety is on... any one of a million things which may or may not affect the shooter at any given time. And these are only the things which affect an unstressed shooter. A combatant in a gunfight must take into account enemy tactics, their own biological responses to the situation*, where cover is and how best to utilize it, their surroundings and how they can be advantageous... a gunfight is incredibly complex and difficult. I myself was a competitive shooter for three years. I practiced every weekend of the year, and at least two additional days most weeks. I managed, in that time, to achieve the second lowest competitive ranking the NRA had to offer. That was my peak, and I was good. Shooting a gun is far more difficult than one would imagine. Three years of dedicated training got me to where I was; the middle of the pack. And there are people like Middleton Tompkins out there who could take a fly out of the air at a thousand yards, and people like Rob Leatham and Jerry Miculek who can put a dozen bullets exactly where they want them in an incredibly short amount of time. My candle is but a cigarette compared to the lighthouse of these men. People say that a sword is a beautiful weapon of honor, and a gun is nothing more than an ugly killing machine. Those of you who hold that opinion, I would like to direct you to this thread, and I hope you cry yourself to sleep tonight after realizing how incredibly wrong you were. Some argue that with a sword, one has to be brave enough to engage in close combat. To them, I say that close combat with a sword is nowhere near as dangerous and harrowing as a fight in which death can come from any direction at any time, from any distance. In a swordfight, you can simply step back and be safe for a moment. Not so in a gunfight. In a gunfight, you find cover or you die. It's that simple. I'll add more to this as it comes up. I'm sure this will be a rather interesting thread. •First addendum: Silencers do NOT silence a weapon. They simply make it quieter. It is still rather loud. *Biological responses, described by GunsmithKitten: GunsmithKitten Human physiology has evolved to react a certain way to immediate physical danger. Blood vessels in the arms and legs constrict, reducing blood flow in expectation of imminent injury to the extremities. Blood sugar levels rise, resulting in stronger and faster movement. Blood pressure and rate of respiration increase while vision and consciousness focus on the immediate threat. Unfortunately for a shooter in a combat situation, all of these factors occur at the expense of the judgment, situational awareness and fine motor control, which are critical to accurate shooting. An Olympic-caliber marksman who finds her life threatened for the first time is fortunate if she can put one in 10 shots into her intended target. The best way for a shooter to prepare for a gunfight is to train until she’s developed the muscle memory necessary to carry her through violence without conscious thought. Militaries and law enforcement agencies have long been aware of the difference between safe, calm target practice and the chaos of actual combat, and they train their personnel relentlessly to ensure their survival. The core of this training is reflexive aim for the target’s center of mass. “Called shots” and “shooting to wound” run directly counter to the principle of accurately putting a bullet into the target’s vital organs. A moving person’s arms, legs and head all flail around too much for accurate aim if he’s moving, or just popping in or out of cover, in a fight. •Everyone so far has said "lol wut about sniprs?" My response is this: Snipings are incredibly rare. The only people who get sniped on a regular basis dress like Fidel Castro and live in Central America where they oppress the local sugar farmers. They're less common than poisoning assassinations were before the invention of firearms (which is possibly the least honorable method of assassination possible). So please, very very very few people are killed by snipings. In modern society, knifings are a thousand times more common than snipings. Let's not bring that up unless you think you have a truly solid point, okay? •Anyone who comes in here and says "honor is outdated, it'll just get you killed" is missing my point entirely. The point isn't which one would be better suited to a modern fight. That's an idiot test. •If this is your argument: pic then STFU and GTFO. Props to Sierra for the picture. •One must also take into account modern warfare. If anything happens and you get in a fight, you bring a gun. This is because a gun has advantages over a sword. 9 times out of 10 a marksman will beat a swordsman. But in modern warfare, nobody uses a sword (kinda obvious, no?), so bringing a sword to a fight is suicide. You bring a gun. A gun at least puts you on the same level as another man with a gun. Is survival instinct dishonorable? Two people facing each other with guns, that's a gunfight. And I've already explained why a gunfight is honorable. •While I thought it would go unsaid, apparently not. Please do NOT quote the OP, unless you're breaking it down into chunks and responding to it bit by bit. If you feel you're interrupting the current flow of conversation with your input, please feel free to begin your message with "In response to the OP," or similar. •Take note, I'm including all blades in this argument. If I can have the pistol, the shotgun, the rifle, the musket, etc. all used against me, I think I should be able to claim knives, daggers, swords, and other hand-held blades to my advantage as well. Spears, arrows, and other thrown weapons are exempt. •I'd also like to point out another thing I found to be obvious, but I guess it's less than intuitive. When you're in a swordfight, you're right up against the other guy, you're in the "danger zone." People automatically assume that with a gun, you can kill someone from outside the "danger zone." Not so. When both parties have a gun, the danger zone is incredibly large. If he can see you, he has a decent chance of hitting you. Even if he CAN'T see you, he still has a fraction of a chance of hitting you. So no, distance holds no safety in a gunfight. For the record, snipers aren't safe because they're far away, they're safe because they're hidden. Ever seen Saving Private Ryan? Sniper got sniped. •Dave Sevigny shooting IPSC, a testament to how much has to be brought into play when firing a gun. More IPSC. I don't know who those guys are, but DAMN are they good. •You can't compare sparring with swords to target shooting. That's an unfair comparison. Compare target shooting to sparring with a dummy, or compare sparring with a human to combat/paintball/airsoft. Anything else just doesn't work. •The big and/or technicolor bits are what a lot of twats keep missing. Please, pay special attention to those bits. I'll hurt and/or ignore you if you ignore them. • seksi_rogue Swords take much more skill and courage to wield, unlike guns... With a gun you have a range and with sword it's up close and personal, plus it takes alot of practice to become good with swords. anyone can just pull a gun on someone and kill them with a quick trigger pull. Another argument that I'd appreciate you guys not bringing to the table AGAIN is "Killing isn't honorable at all." Heard it a million times, don't want to hear it a million more. Apparently, most of you take offense to this. I don't think you understand I'm telling you not to use this argument because EVERYONE uses it. I've heard it a million times, and I really don't want to have to refute it every three pages. •For all of you people who say "guns are for cowards, because you can sit back from a safe distance and fill someone full of lead," tell me...  How safe is THAT GUY, huh? That was a bullet missing his face by inches. Look me in the proverbial eye and tell me that you wouldn't have s**t yourself if that was you. • I've seen a million replies of "when was the last time you heard of someone getting murdered with a sword?", so I'll put the answer here. I'm not sure how long the link will last, so I'll quote the text. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,382782,00.html Quote: LANCASTER, Calif. — A 9-year-old girl who witnessed her mother stabbed to death with a sword pleaded with authorities to hurry to the scene, telling them, "I don't want my mommy to die," according to a recording of the girl's 911 call released Monday by sheriff's officials. Jesus Humberto Canales, 28, allegedly stabbed his live-in girlfriend, Lucy Preciado, 26, in front of the couple's four young children Saturday at their Lancaster home, said Los Angeles County sheriff's officials. Canales fled the scene and was still at large Monday. The girl called 911 early Saturday, telling authorities, "My dad just stabbed my mom ... with a sword. He's leaving right now. Please hurry. I don't want my mommy to die. I'm scared. I want to go to my grandma's." Sheriff's Department spokesman Steve Whitmore said the call was "so horrendous it made a couple of the homicide detectives cry." He said detectives described the killing as the worst they had ever seen. Investigators found a large sword at the scene. Canales may have a gun and should be considered dangerous, officials said. "We need to get a desperate man off the street and we would prefer to get him off right now, but this is not simple and easy," Sheriff Lee Baca said. "We need the public's help." |
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