M. Angel
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- Posted: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:31:32 +0000
I'll bypass my initial reaction of what's new and pose my question for this debate.
What is wrong with the Gay marriage movement?
I mean, come on. They raise more money, they get more media attention, they take their cases all the way to the supreme court, and they still manage to screw themselves over. (No pun intended)
I'll come right out and say that I'm against gay marriage. I have my reasons. I voted for prop 8 and followed the whole controversy and still follow it today, but that's not what I want to know. From both sides I want the views of those who have an idea as to why a group with all the advantages on paper seem to repeatedly fail.
I'll say this again for those that I know will want to flame this thread:
-This is not a debate on whether Gay marriage should be accepted.
-This is not a discussion on whether homosexuality is or is not a moral/religious sin.
-This is not a screaming contest over my or anyone else who posts personal views on gay marriage.
I simply want your opinions on why an organization that repeatedly raises more money and seems to have the backing of the majority of the media outlets, can't seem to put together a strong movement/counter movement for what they stand for.
Case in point: The CA supreme court case on Prop 8 after the election.
The court gave a simple demand. Does the court have the power to overturn an amendment to the constitution and if so, what should it do about the previously legal marriages?
To those who watched all three hours of the preceding s, as I did, you don't need to be told how much of a mess the No on 8 people made of their case. They would contradict each other, get WAY off track, and not answer questions with clear answers. In their moment to shine they blew it.
Second Case in Point: Money
Here was a group in CA that raised, from the start, more money than the Yes on 8 group, yet when they lose they protest the Mormon church because their patrons gave money. The central problem is that they had more money from start to finish, yet they make this assumption.
Lets look to yesterday's election. In Maine the Pro Gay marriage people made around 4 million for their cause, against the about 2.5 million that the opposition had. That's nearly twice as much.
I'll admit that I haven't followed the Maine elections, but I assume that they were similar to the CA ones, just on a smaller scale. If I am wrong with this than feel free to correct me. So now I put the topic out to you all.
Why can't the "official" leaders of this movement take what they have and use it to the best of their abilities?
What is wrong with the Gay marriage movement?
I mean, come on. They raise more money, they get more media attention, they take their cases all the way to the supreme court, and they still manage to screw themselves over. (No pun intended)
I'll come right out and say that I'm against gay marriage. I have my reasons. I voted for prop 8 and followed the whole controversy and still follow it today, but that's not what I want to know. From both sides I want the views of those who have an idea as to why a group with all the advantages on paper seem to repeatedly fail.
I'll say this again for those that I know will want to flame this thread:
-This is not a debate on whether Gay marriage should be accepted.
-This is not a discussion on whether homosexuality is or is not a moral/religious sin.
-This is not a screaming contest over my or anyone else who posts personal views on gay marriage.
I simply want your opinions on why an organization that repeatedly raises more money and seems to have the backing of the majority of the media outlets, can't seem to put together a strong movement/counter movement for what they stand for.
Case in point: The CA supreme court case on Prop 8 after the election.
The court gave a simple demand. Does the court have the power to overturn an amendment to the constitution and if so, what should it do about the previously legal marriages?
To those who watched all three hours of the preceding s, as I did, you don't need to be told how much of a mess the No on 8 people made of their case. They would contradict each other, get WAY off track, and not answer questions with clear answers. In their moment to shine they blew it.
Second Case in Point: Money
Here was a group in CA that raised, from the start, more money than the Yes on 8 group, yet when they lose they protest the Mormon church because their patrons gave money. The central problem is that they had more money from start to finish, yet they make this assumption.
Lets look to yesterday's election. In Maine the Pro Gay marriage people made around 4 million for their cause, against the about 2.5 million that the opposition had. That's nearly twice as much.
I'll admit that I haven't followed the Maine elections, but I assume that they were similar to the CA ones, just on a smaller scale. If I am wrong with this than feel free to correct me. So now I put the topic out to you all.
Why can't the "official" leaders of this movement take what they have and use it to the best of their abilities?
