Should you be allowed to take your own life? *Edited*

should suicide be allowed?

yes?	66.9%	[ 507 ]
no?	33.1%	[ 251 ]
Total Votes:			[ 758 ]

[Vosi]

Doomerous

Vosi-

1.) No argument given.

It never was an argument, and if there is an argument about my person, I'm pretty sure I'd end it quickly.

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2.) O_O No...s**t...(and still no argument given) (note: more references to literature without the decleration of any point)

I'm confused, I stated my argument clearly, that we have data today that literally liquefies your extremists views.

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3.) Still no argument.

It's not meant to be.

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4.) STILL no argument. MORE references to literature.

Yes, you should read it. It'll do you some good.

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And if you're not "in it to win" then what was the point of challenging me in the first place? Oh, right...

I'm in it to help people like you formulate stronger arguments and thoughts. Even if you should brush me off, it'd do you some good to read the literature, especially the second source. The first isn't worth much in my opinion.

[Synesthesic Visionary]

Doomerous

TSN-

1.) What the Hell are you talking about? You took the first and alst statements of my message, put them together and then quoted her.

2.) Okay, okay, if you can argue her points for her, then I'll gladly listen and in fact, this "debate" can go on.

No. I cannot argue her points for her. She explained herself very well. This, I find, is the pertinate portion of what she wrote.

Vosi

I don't think you're necessarily wrong. You are free to believe whatever you wish. I'm posing, as I should, refutations and alternate examples, but in no way am I going to tell you that you're outright wrong since it's a moral issue. I can only present to you other takes and information that you might want to consider...

[N3bu]

There should be an attempt to stop it, but I see no point in making a punishment for it.

It is someones choice to take their life, and I won't fault them, and therefore don't want to punish them or their family, but I believe people should also have the right to try and stop them, as anyone would try and stop a murder.

[iSWIM for LiFE]

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Vosi

x0swimislove0x

Because it's true and obvious?
and relates to the what I was saying next.

It tends to play out more like an excuse than a valid introduction.

x0swimislove0x

What I mean is, you should try and talk them out of it, in case their on the fence about committing suicide in the first place (no matter how rare the possibility).

Why should you interfere? What about their lives suddenly makes helping them valuable? After all, it is their life; saving it does you no particular good nor harm.

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Or are you saying every one who wants to commit suicide is a hopeless case? No matter of help will matter?

I'm saying nothing of the sort.

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And technically, your example is sensible because the fire squad will be there once he starts the fire to help clean up the mess.

I don't think you understand that if he had been contained prior, they wouldn't have had the mess in the first place; that was the point.

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At least, the people who loved said suicide commiter can say they were offered the help. No matter how shallow, its sort of a safety blanket in the end. So, then, offering help is to ease the conscience of the living, and not to genuinely care for the life of the deceased? Then there really is no value to it and it's a waste of the One Who Wishes For Death's time.

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Well, if they died in the middle of a crowd on purpose, then yeah, they should be taught / know better not to for all those reasons.

Or apartments, which has happened more than once.

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They should have consideration for all the people who don't want to die.

Why?

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I was talking about shooters who commit suicide after a murder, whether it was planned ( the suicide ) or not.

Yes, I know. I'm talking about the majority.

Wow, okay, this will be like talking to a wall.
Or maybe I'm just misinterpreting something. :/
But it seems your flip flopping what you say through your entire thing.
Where exactly do you stand on this?
Please look at the bolded.
In the first statement you say how we why bother trying to help,
and then in the next you say their wouldn't have been a problem if it was contained prior, which is an option you just dismissed.
as for the valid excuse thing, I suppose that's one way to look at it.
But I consider it like my thesis statement, in three words that pretty much sums up how I feel on it.

And as for when you say why?
Why not?
And though it may not affect me personally,
to those close to said suicidal person, the people that love them, said person's suicide will cause them pain.
I still believe that every person has a right to take their own life,
but that doesn't mean you shouldn't at least attempt to prevent it / help them beforehand.
Not for his/her loved ones, but the suicide person him/herself.

Blahh,
I'm way to tired for this so maybe i'll be back tomorrowww
night all.

[Contagious Cure]

White Wolf of Nebu

There should be an attempt to stop it, but I see no point in making a punishment for it.

It is someones choice to take their life, and I won't fault them, and therefore don't want to punish them or their family, but I believe people should also have the right to try and stop them, as anyone would try and stop a murder.

Stopping a murder is conventionally an interference between one person's actions done unto another who presumably does not want to be murdered. In a suicide, for all intents and purposes, that person wants to die.

[Doomerous]

TSN- Convenient how the task of clarisfying any vewipoint or argeument at all from her statements was just SO easy that you couldn't even dso it.

Note: A personaly philosophy on WY a person is "debating" has NOTHING do to with the subject.

Vosi-

And you'r big ace-in-the-hole, was nothing more than getting other people to reinforce your "points" for you. ANYONE can post a link . Doesn't make you anything, least of all special.

Oh, and thanks a billion for helping me to improve my argument. I have so much room to improve, and yoiu to help me. Then again, it's pretty esasy to never be wrong when you post no personal thoughts whatsoever. Hell, that kid couldn't even do it for you. Note: never gambling is a sure way not to lose. Than agaion, to think you're playing...and Hell, I even broke it down into one simple question for you.

But you already know all that, don't you?

[Synesthesic Visionary]

Doomerous

TSN- Convenient how the task of clarisfying any vewipoint or argeument at all from her statements was just SO easy that you couldn't even dso it.

Note: A personaly philosophy on WY a person is "debating" has NOTHING do to with the subject.

Vosi-

And you'r big ace-in-the-hole, was nothing more than getting other people to reinforce your "points" for you. ANYONE can post a link . Doesn't make you anything, least of all special.

Oh, and thanks a billion for helping me to improve my argument. I have so much room to improve, and yoiu to help me. Then again, it's pretty esasy to never be wrong when you post no personal thoughts whatsoever. Hell, that kid couldn't even do it for you. Note: never gambling is a sure way not to lose. Than agaion, to think you're playing...and Hell, I even broke it down into one simple question for you.

But you already know all that, don't you?

Did I not just say that she is making an argument against your arguments, not an argument based on her opinion of the topic. How are you not understanding that? Also, this isn't about winning an argument/debate. This is about learning. That's why I debate is so that I may be exposed to new ideas, opinions, and information as well as having my own ideas, opinions, and information debunked or challenged. This helps me to refine my own opinions. It isn't about winning...to me, at least. Doesn't seem to be to her either.

Oh, as a random aside question, may I ask why you referred to me as "kid"? Just curious what inspired your use of that term when you referred to me. -^_^-

[spiffyelgato]

MarlaCorbin

spiffyelgato

MarlaCorbin

Poison Fairy Sennyo

I believe you should be, but what is your opinion?
I think it wrong that one can be forced to live despite their wishes. Silly reasons like "omg, I broke up with mah bf" is pretty silly, especially if you're the type that's hooking up with people year around, sorry, off topic.
I have a topic relative to this and I would appreciate your opinion (it's for an essay I have to do).
I'm part of an online community that supports pro-choice extremly. We'll give out advice and comments to people who ask, or just feel the need to. I wouldn't stop anyone that I knew/know whether in real life or online from committing suicide because that would be selfish of me to force my opinion upon someone like that.
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/extended-discussion/the-right-to-die-the-innane-value-people-put-on-human-life/t.45182393/

I'm all for pro choice when it comes to abortion and euthanasia, but I have strict beliefs on those too. You should not be able to kill yourself if you've never given yourself a chance to rise after hitting rock bottom, you shouldn't be allowed to do it for some stupid reason. The whole emo subculture has made it very hard for me to say that you should be allowed to make your own decision when it comes to life, because all of those people are stuck up little brats who are only doing it for attention.

Abortion should only be allowed if there are medical problems to you or the baby, you shouldn't have to risk your own life and the childs if there is a possiblilty of you haveing a healthy baby later on. As well as rape. if you've been raped you shouldn't have to live with the rape, and your rapists baby.

Euthanasia, if you are definatly going to die anyways, and your in extreme pain, who cares if you die a little early to make it stop hurting.

So wait, who's to decide if someone's reason for killing themself is "stupid"?

Also, I have very little patience for those who complain about people "doing it for attention". Have you ever considered that maybe, just maybe, those people NEED the attention? I don't care how minor it may seem. Issues can get out of control very quickly. And making them feel like their emotions are "emo" and generally invalid won't help them.

I just feel like I have no right to tell someone else they can't die. I may not like it and I may try to change a mind, but the law has no place telling people they can't end their life is they so desire.

To be honest, it's the people who aren't attention whores who demand that everyone take interest in everything they do, that are the ones who truly need someone to pay attention to them. These attention whores get tons of attention, and then keep stealing more from everyone else who needs it just as much.

I disagree. If somebody is begging for attention, a need obviously isn't being met. They wouldn't ask for the attention if they didn't need it. Maybe they're not going about meeting their needs in the healthiest way. But it's not fair to just brush them off as attention whores and ignore their needs.

[MyValenwind]

Should you be allowed to take your own life?

Yes. I want my few seconds of life back for reading this thread, and you can't stop me. mad

There is no question about being "allowed" to end your own life. If someone is going to do it, of course people who care about them wouldn't allow them to at all costs, but that's as far as it goes. There's no legal ban against suicide, only religious dogma. Screw the "emo" scene, it has nothing to do with true suicidal people and should no longer be related to the same subject. "Emo" is just poking fun at the truly depressed, bi-polar, mentally unstable, and suicidal, things that no one should be bragging about.

[Shokushu]

I wouldn't be opposed to letting anyone who an correctly predict how happy they will be in three months take their own life.

Of course, as far as I know all humans incorrectly estimate how happy they will be in three months.

[MarlaCorbin]

Shokushu

I wouldn't be opposed to letting anyone who an correctly predict how happy they will be in three months take their own life.

Of course, as far as I know all humans incorrectly estimate how happy they will be in three months.

I like that concept. And I love your sig XD it looks like my kitty

[Vosi]

Shokushu

I wouldn't be opposed to letting anyone who an correctly predict how happy they will be in three months take their own life.

Of course, as far as I know all humans incorrectly estimate how happy they will be in three months.

3 nos. is not a lot of time. You can very accurately predict what you'll be up to in 3 mos. Shokushu at any age.

[MarlaCorbin]

Vosi

Shokushu

I wouldn't be opposed to letting anyone who an correctly predict how happy they will be in three months take their own life.

Of course, as far as I know all humans incorrectly estimate how happy they will be in three months.

3 nos. is not a lot of time. You can very accurately predict what you'll be up to in 3 mos. Shokushu at any age.

I don't think it was ment to be "what will I be up to in three months" moreso, "how will I be feeling in 3 months". Then again of course, everyone is different. Some people are very stable emotionally, and then some people are complete rollarcosters.