Schools and student's internet privacy.

[XTyphonX]

I got kicked off my football team because I got into a fist fight at the local market with some jag-off who was trying to rob the owner of his cash. One of the coaches happened to be there and saw me beat the hell out of this dude. When I came back to school (Christian School FYI) on Monday, I had found that I had been kicked off the football team and suspended for one week, even though I thwarted an attempted robbery.

What I don't understand (now pertaining to the topic) is how students can be held accountable for their actions outside of school. You all get to wear hats outside of school right? But when you're at school, you can't wear them because their a "distraction" and if you do, it's straight to the Principal's office with you! Why not outside of school then?

[In Flagrante Delicto]

XTyphonX

I got kicked off my football team because I got into a fist fight at the local market with some jag-off who was trying to rob the owner of his cash. One of the coaches happened to be there and saw me beat the hell out of this dude. When I came back to school (Christian School FYI) on Monday, I had found that I had been kicked off the football team and suspended for one week, even though I thwarted an attempted robbery.

Private schools can do whatever they want. They can make any asinine rule about what you can do on or off school grounds they want.

I have no problem with this. I do have a huge problem with public schools doing it.

[Omorose Panya]

In Flagrante Delicto

Freedom of speech, they should has it.

You do realize that no one has complete freedome of speech, right? The fact that we have a government should let you know that we have no actual freedoms.

In Flagrante Delicto

If the kid isn't threatening someone's life or suggesting physical harm to someone they should have the right to say whatever they want. So kids may not pick the best words to express their rage or disappointment or anger. They are kids, it happens.

They should be allowed to bully without punishment?

In Flagrante Delicto

Most schools block social networking sites so this is by nature occurring outside the school with no school involvement whatsoever. They need to STFU and back off because honestly it's none of their damn business.

Most schools does not mean all. And it doesn't take a genius to get past the blocks.

[Omorose Panya]

Lord Setar

Hi, my name is Omorose Panya and I can't read for s**t.

Howso?

[Herobane]

Omorose Panya

Let me make sure:

OP, is it that students can't say anything negative about admin or other students, or that they can't say it in a vulgar manner? As in, they must be able to exhibit maturity?

Now by "OP", do you mean the original poster, or are you talking about yourself? wink

On a serious note, it's the way you say it. I've criticised my teachers and even classmates many times, even to their faces or while they were about. However, I've never been penalised or even reprimanded for it. Why? Because I do so respectfully, and maturely.

I don't say "Mr. X is a douchebag." I say something more like "Mr. X tends to place too much importance on nuisance behaviour" or "I think Mr. X needs to do some fact-checking on this topic, as I think he's presenting incorrect facts." or what have you.

[Omorose Panya]

Your Personal Sin

Students can't say anything negative and that they need to be supportive if they're saying anything about administrators/school.

Well, in that case, I stick to what I have been saying.

EDIT: Also, you said this is merely an example. I can believe the FB thing but I don't believe that students can't say anything opposing the school. That part's not something you just pulled from your a**? Because I prefer to debate thinks that are likely to happen.

[Omorose Panya]

Herobane

Now by "OP", do you mean the original poster, or are you talking about yourself? wink

Fight nice.

Herobane

On a serious note, it's the way you say it. I've criticised my teachers and even classmates many times, even to their faces or while they were about. However, I've never been penalised or even reprimanded for it. Why? Because I do so respectfully, and maturely.

I don't say "Mr. X is a douchebag." I say something more like "Mr. X tends to place too much importance on nuisance behaviour" or "I think Mr. X needs to do some fact-checking on this topic, as I think he's presenting incorrect facts." or what have you.

That's what I am thinking, but the OP says otherwise. I highly doubt the school would take it that far. I personally don't see the problem with presenting yourself with an air of maturity. Let's face it: that is how the real world works. If you can't handle it, then hey.

[In Flagrante Delicto]

Omorose Panya

You do realize that no one has complete freedome of speech, right? The fact that we have a government should let you know that we have no actual freedoms.

And yet saying "so and so is a douchelicking cocksucker" is still legal in the real world. If so and so is not a douchelicking cocksucker it might be defamation, but there are laws for that. Of course if he is? There should be no reason anyone can't say so.

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They should be allowed to bully without punishment?

As long as it is not rising to threats of violence? Yes. If it is rising to the level of illegal acts, the student or their parents can take it to the police just like you would with any crime that occurred off school property.

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Most schools does not mean all. And it doesn't take a genius to get past the blocks.

In which case toss them out for misusing school resources, NOT what they said. If it happened on the school network even with a proxy or something there will be a record of it.

[steam injun]

Omorose Panya

In Flagrante Delicto

Freedom of speech, they should has it.

You do realize that no one has complete freedome of speech, right? The fact that we have a government should let you know that we have no actual freedoms.

what, exactly, isn't covered under free speech?

[Cosmic Quandary]

Your Personal Sin

In Humanities class we were discussing the topic of whether schools had the right to have access to the student's social networking sites (Such as Facebook, Myspace, etc.) and I thought it'd be an interesting topic to discuss here.

For example, a student joined a sports team and the coach required said student to be friends with them on Facebook so that the student would think twice about posting vulgar things, negative comments, etc. After a conflict arises, the student goes onto Facebook and posts something 'vulgar' about an administrator at the school. The coach reads this and the next day the student is kicked off the team for not upholding the schools reputation and not being a good team player.

So, is it permissable for a teacher or coach to require students to make him or her a friend on their social networking page? Should a school be able to bar students from participating in sports or other school functions because of something they said on the internet?

No. Of course, that example is funny...at least have the balls to say in in person...not in facepage.

[Omorose Panya]

XTyphonX

I got kicked off my football team because I got into a fist fight at the local market with some jag-off who was trying to rob the owner of his cash. One of the coaches happened to be there and saw me beat the hell out of this dude. When I came back to school (Christian School FYI) on Monday, I had found that I had been kicked off the football team and suspended for one week, even though I thwarted an attempted robbery.

If you had to beat the guy up in order to attain him, then that's understandable. However if you attained him and then proceeded to beat the s**t out of him, then that is assault. You have no right to beat him up if you have no reason to.

One of my past teachers gave a good example. A wife is constantly assaulted by her husband. On evening, she can't take it anymore. He is beating her face into a bloody pulp and she grabs the things closest to her, which happens to be a knife. She stabs him to get him off. He is off. She then stabs him 16 more times, even though he is long past unconscious. She could plead self defense at the first stab and only the first stab. After that, since he was no longer harming her, she wasn't defending herself. She was murdering him.

I am not arguing "right or wrong" here. I am only relaying what the law says.

Herobane

What I don't understand (now pertaining to the topic) is how students can be held accountable for their actions outside of school. You all get to wear hats outside of school right? But when you're at school, you can't wear them because their a "distraction" and if you do, it's straight to the Principal's office with you! Why not outside of school then?

That's an old tradition going back to knights taking their armor off before the Queen. I agree that it is dated and rather useless. I have my own arguments against that one.

[Your Personal Sin]

Omorose Panya

EDIT: Also, you said this is merely an example. I can believe the FB thing but I don't believe that students can't say anything opposing the school. That part's not something you just pulled from your a**? Because I prefer to debate thinks that are likely to happen.

As I, and you have said, it's merely an example. If a coach or teacher does require you to be friends with them, then wouldn't it come down to them on whether what the student said was enough for them to be kicked off of the team? If the coach was one of those people that got butt-hurt easily, any opinion opposing the school could be means for kicking them out. Of course, that's not to go without saying that the student could take it to a higher authority on whether it was right of the coach to kick them out or not.

So, I suppose all in all it would be coming down to a case by case basis.

[Appel Juice]

Omorose Panya

In Flagrante Delicto

Freedom of speech, they should has it.

You do realize that no one has complete freedom of speech, right? The fact that we have a government should let you know that we have no actual freedoms.

This makes no sense. Of course we have unbridled freedom of speech. Having a government does not negate the fact that we have freedoms wither.

[Herobane]

steam injun

Omorose Panya

In Flagrante Delicto

Freedom of speech, they should has it.

You do realize that no one has complete freedome of speech, right? The fact that we have a government should let you know that we have no actual freedoms.

what, exactly, isn't covered under free speech?

I woud do careful research if I were you. I'm well aware of what I am and are not allowed to say in my area of residence.

[Lithomancer]

Facebook is already public, so I don't see what's wrong with it. But kicking people off a team for something they did off school property and out of school hours? Bullshit.