Schools and student's internet privacy.

[Lord Setar]

Omorose Panya

Lord Setar

Since when were students expected to represent the school when posting on Facebook?

If it's in the rules, then it's in the rules. I don't think the school should have to allow persons to be on a sports team despite everything.

Think about it this way: If you want a job, then you had better damn well make sure that your online persona is appropriate and mature. They do their research too. If he/she does not like the way you present yourself, then he/she probably will not hire you. I don't see why it has to be different for a school sports team. Whether you like it or not, you have an obligation to be a team player and be respectful. If you have a problem with that, then you have no business being on a sports team.

How does having an unfavorable opinion about someone who is only related to the team in a superficial manner equate to not being a team player? I could understand if we were talking about a general manager or something that was key to the team, but the administration of a school does not carry the same role as the GM of a professional team - not even close.

[steam injun]

Why does the school have any interest in what children are doing outside the building?

It's perfectly legal to say the president is a ******** idiot on the internet.
Why not the principal?

[Lord Setar]

steam injun

Why does the school have any interest in what children are doing outside the building?

It's perfectly legal to say the president is a ******** idiot on the internet.
Why not the principal?

No clue, really, though it might have something to do with the seemingly-increasing expectation that schools are supposed to parent the students. As a result, they're taking on the parental mentality of "you can't badmouth us, we're your parents".

[Omorose Panya]

Lord Setar

How does having an unfavorable opinion about someone who is only related to the team in a superficial manner equate to not being a team player?

Omorose Panya

There is a difference between:

"I highly disagree with the Principal's decision to (x)"

and

"OMFG I ******** HATE MY ******** RETARDED PRINCIPAL GOD I SWEAR I WANT TO RIP HIS/HER ******** HEART OUT AND EAT IT FOR ******** BREAKFAST!!! AARRGGGG!!!"

She didn't say students can't express an unfavorable opinion. It is about presentation.

Lord Setar

I could understand if we were talking about a general manager or something that was key to the team, but the administration of a school does not carry the same role as the GM of a professional team - not even close.

I don't think it matters. I edited something into my other post, but I didn't get to it before you replied. I'll repost it here:

Omorose Panya

Think about it this way: If you want a job, then you had better damn well make sure that your online persona is appropriate and mature. They do their research too. If they don't like the way you present yourself, then they probably won't hire you because they don't want someone like you representing their company. Like it or not, you represent that company by representing the kinds of persons they hire.

I will iterate that I don't see the point in forcing students to friend the coach(es) on FB, but I also don't see the problem with kicking them off the team for being completely out of line. Being on a sports team is not only about kicking a ball around or doing cheers or kicking the other team's a**.

[Omorose Panya]

Let me make sure:

OP, is it that students can't say anything negative about admin or other students, or that they can't say it in a vulgar manner? As in, they must be able to exhibit maturity?

[Lord Setar]

Omorose Panya

Lord Setar

How does having an unfavorable opinion about someone who is only related to the team in a superficial manner equate to not being a team player?

Omorose Panya

There is a difference between:

"I highly disagree with the Principal's decision to (x)"

and

"OMFG I ******** HATE MY ******** RETARDED PRINCIPAL GOD I SWEAR I WANT TO RIP HIS/HER ******** HEART OUT AND EAT IT FOR ******** BREAKFAST!!! AARRGGGG!!!"

She didn't say students can't express an unfavorable opinion. It is about presentation.

That would be an expression of anger made off school property and outside of school time. Kid might be pissed off. Kid also might have a valid reason. Kid also can't exactly choose where he goes to school.

Omorose Panya

Lord Setar

I could understand if we were talking about a general manager or something that was key to the team, but the administration of a school does not carry the same role as the GM of a professional team - not even close.

I don't think it matters. I edited something into my other post, but I didn't get to it before you replied. I'll repost it here:

Omorose Panya

Think about it this way: If you want a job, then you had better damn well make sure that your online persona is appropriate and mature. They do their research too. If they don't like the way you present yourself, then they probably won't hire you because they don't want someone like you representing their company. Like it or not, you represent that company by representing the kinds of persons they hire.

If this is a job then the kid's already been hired and there's nothing to suggest that they always act this way nor that they were trying to represent their company. Or do you somehow continue to represent your company even when you're off duty, out of uniform, and no one can know that you work for said company unless you tell them?

Also: you choose what jobs you apply for; you don't generally choose what public school you go to.

Omorose Panya

I will iterate that I don't see the point in forcing students to friend the coach(es) on FB, but I also don't see the problem with kicking them off the team for being completely out of line. Being on a sports team is not only about kicking a ball around or doing cheers or kicking the other team's a**.

Hi, my name is Omorose Panya and I can't read for s**t.

[steam injun]

Lord Setar

steam injun

Why does the school have any interest in what children are doing outside the building?

It's perfectly legal to say the president is a ******** idiot on the internet.
Why not the principal?

No clue, really, though it might have something to do with the seemingly-increasing expectation that schools are supposed to parent the students. As a result, they're taking on the parental mentality of "you can't badmouth us, we're your parents".

So, [lazy] parents are creating a totalitarian, anti free speech educational system...

I'm glad I've graduated already.

[Lord Setar]

steam injun

Lord Setar

steam injun

Why does the school have any interest in what children are doing outside the building?

It's perfectly legal to say the president is a ******** idiot on the internet.
Why not the principal?

No clue, really, though it might have something to do with the seemingly-increasing expectation that schools are supposed to parent the students. As a result, they're taking on the parental mentality of "you can't badmouth us, we're your parents".

So, [lazy] parents are creating a totalitarian, anti free speech educational system...

I'm glad I've graduated already.

Amen brother.

[Project Light]

Lord Setar

Project Light

Right: the school getting him in trouble over something on Facebook.
Wrong: requiring the student friend the coach or other school official on Facebook.

If you make something public, the school has every *right* to access it. You put it on the Internet for everyone, including the school to read. If you want to say something privately, do not post it publicly. It's common sense.

If you make something public, the government has every right to access it. You put it on the Internet for everyone, including the government to read. If you want to say something privately, do not post it publicly. It's common sense.

Yes, it is. I can only assume you were being sarcastic, but if you don't want the government to have access to something, don't give it to the government. Public means that everyone can access it. That goes from people to corporations to governments. If you're a living being, you can access something that is public. It's nothing short of stupid to scream "Hey, everyone! I'm gay!" then get upset when someone hears you.

[Your Personal Sin]

Omorose Panya

Let me make sure:

OP, is it that students can't say anything negative about admin or other students, or that they can't say it in a vulgar manner? As in, they must be able to exhibit maturity?

Students can't say anything negative and that they need to be supportive if they're saying anything about administrators/school.

[Lord Setar]

Project Light

Lord Setar

Project Light

Right: the school getting him in trouble over something on Facebook.
Wrong: requiring the student friend the coach or other school official on Facebook.

If you make something public, the school has every *right* to access it. You put it on the Internet for everyone, including the school to read. If you want to say something privately, do not post it publicly. It's common sense.

If you make something public, the government has every right to access it. You put it on the Internet for everyone, including the government to read. If you want to say something privately, do not post it publicly. It's common sense.

Yes, it is. I can only assume you were being sarcastic, but if you don't want the government to have access to something, don't give it to the government. Public means that everyone can access it. That goes from people to corporations to governments. If you're a living being, you can access something that is public. It's nothing short of stupid to scream "Hey, everyone! I'm gay!" then get upset when someone hears you.

Except that the government can't punish you for saying it. Why can the school?

[steam injun]

Your Personal Sin

Omorose Panya

Let me make sure:

OP, is it that students can't say anything negative about admin or other students, or that they can't say it in a vulgar manner? As in, they must be able to exhibit maturity?

Students can't say anything negative and that they need to be supportive if they're saying anything about administrators/school.

oh wait.
they just want their ego stroked?
if you wanted to hear good things all day, i'd highly doubt picking a job surrounded by hormonal/emotional nutjobs would be the best choice.

[Omorose Panya]

Lord Setar

That would be an expression of anger made off school property and outside of school time. Kid might be pissed off. Kid also might have a valid reason. Kid also can't exactly choose where he goes to school.

A student can be kicked out of school for beating up another student off school property, or for sending a bomb threat to another school. In other words, it doesn't have to be on school property.

Besides, you can't just assume that it was made off school grounds. What if it was in the school comp lab?

And nobody said he/she would get kicked out of school.

Lord Setar

If this is a job then the kid's already been hired and there's nothing to suggest that they always act this way nor that they were trying to represent their company.

Which is the point of firing him/her. They're allowed to do that, y'know. I assume you've never had a job.

Lord Setar

Or do you somehow continue to represent your company even when you're off duty, out of uniform, and no one can know that you work for said company unless you tell them?

Yes, you do. Bill Gates, for example, doesn't stop being Bill Gates just because he is not working. Your manager does not stop being your manager just because he or she is not working.

That doesn't mean that you represent the company for which you work to everyone. They obviously must know you and the company. But if you're on FB and you have your job information available, then you represent that company.

I'll give you an example. When I wanted to get my eyebrow pierced, I had to decide between two shops (because the other ones were absolutely filthy). I ultimately decided because of a disgusting youtube video one posted. I probably would have gotten it done there because it was cheaper, had it not been for that video done in their shop. Were they working at the particular time I saw that? Probably not. It was late at night.

Lord Setar

Also: you choose what jobs you apply for; you don't generally choose what public school you go to.

Which matters how? The school has rules all across the board. You can't just not follow them because you can't choose which school you attend. And, once again, nobody said you'd get kicked out of school.

[In Flagrante Delicto]

Your Personal Sin

Omorose Panya

Let me make sure:

OP, is it that students can't say anything negative about admin or other students, or that they can't say it in a vulgar manner? As in, they must be able to exhibit maturity?

Students can't say anything negative and that they need to be supportive if they're saying anything about administrators/school.

Freedom of speech, they should has it.

If the kid isn't threatening someone's life or suggesting physical harm to someone they should have the right to say whatever they want. So kids may not pick the best words to express their rage or disappointment or anger. They are kids, it happens.

Most schools block social networking sites so this is by nature occurring outside the school with no school involvement whatsoever. They need to STFU and back off because honestly it's none of their damn business.

There are plenty of idiots and assholes in authority positions in the educational system. Being a teacher or administrator doesn't make them God. I see no reason to be supportive of educators that don't deserve it.