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Lord Setar
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Omorose Panya
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I believe that a school owes a responsibility to its student when that student is either in uniform or on the campus of the school. The internet may be public domain and publicly viewable, but that does not mean that the school has any right to comment on the thoughts or opinion of that student. Yes, it may cause offence, but under the universal declaration of human rights, everyone has the right to free speech.

Free speech is limited.

What actually states that the school has no right to comment or respond on anything that doesn't have to do with school. I have an above-average understanding of the law (if what is expressed in this thread can be considered average), but this keeps being brought up. I'll give you guys a chance to prove me wrong here.

Katia Candace Nightingale
After having a teacher ring my mother on the kind of discussion I was having with a friend in the foodcourt of the local shopping centre, my mother told her to 'kindly mind her own business and concentrate on in-school happenings rather than being a busybody'.

What you do on school grounds om school hours is the school's business. If it has to do with the school, then it is the school's business.


You didn't read my post at all, did you?

She seems to make a habit out of not reading the given post and instead reading some edited version that seems to correspond with what her nonfunctional CNS is capable of responding to.


So much for an 'above average' understanding of law = I'm a 3rd year law student.
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Fighting Fefnir
Okay, you really are arguing out of your a**.

Howso?

Fighting Fefnir
I may not have answered your (useless) question

You might want to work on that.

Fighting Fefnir
...but I very easily showed that you were disavowing a possible course of action the coach could take, which is entirely on topic. If anything, you should concede that your hypothetical is not valid.

How is it invalid?

Fighting Fefnir
Except that I have. It's been about facebook up until you changed your position out of nowhere.

Quote where I changed my position out of nowhere.

In fact, quote what my initial position was (just so I know you were paying attention) and then quote where I changed it.

Three quotes. I'll be patient.

Fighting Fefnir
Just because it's a hypothetical doesn't mean it can ignore reality. Your situation does not apply in reality. Also entirely irrelevant to you having established it as a law.

1) It is not my situation. If you find the situation impractical, attack the OP---the one who made it---and not me.
2) How is it illogical?
3) Establishing what to a law?

Fighting Fefnir
There is no law disallowing statements to be made on Facebook, or to talk negatively about someone online.

Once again, federal law is not the only one that matters.

Ever noticed that your school handbook outlining the rules is not the Constitution? Yeah, that's because the school is allowed to have its own rules.

Example: There is no federal or state or district law (that I am aware of. Feel free to post a link to the amendment that invalidates my statement) that forbids students from going on FB, Myspace, Twitter, etc., at school, yet most public grade schools (in America) deny access to them.

Fighting Fefnir
Not a school rule, a team rule. This also doesn't limit the free speech of the player.

It is not a school rule that, in order to be on a sports team, students must sign contracts, thereby agreeing to the team rules? Something cannot be required unless it is in the contract. Or, at least, the student does not have to do it unless it is in the contract.

No one has absolute freedom of speech! Damn it! This is basic!

Fighting Fefnir
Well, I don't know how you would post something on Facebook while on the field.

...What does that have to do with anything?

Fighting Fefnir
Facebook is OFF THE FIELD. You weren't even talking about judges before, and judges aren't a factor of the 'badmouthing your coach on facebook' line of debate going on!

I never said anything about badmouthing coaches on facebook.

What does it being off the field have to do with anything?

Fighting Fefnir
Wiki:

"Sportsmanship typically is regarded as a component of morality in sport, composed of three related and perhaps overlapping concepts: fair play, sportsmanship, and character.[2] Fair play refers to all participants having an equitable chance to pursue victory[3] and acting toward others in an honest, straightforward, and a firm and dignified manner even when others do not play fairly. It includes respect for others including team members, opponents, and officials.[4] Character refers to dispositions, values and habits that determine the way that person normally responds to desires, fears, challenges, opportunities, failures and successes and is typically seen in polite behaviors toward others such as helping an opponent up or shaking hands after a match. An individual is believed to have a “good character” when those dispositions and habits reflect core ethical values."

No where in there does it say 'coach' or 'school' or 'administration'. It says, and I'll bold it for you, "It includes respect for others including team members, opponents, and officials." Sportsmanship in what you quoted refers ONLY to on the field conduct.

Since when aren't judges considered officials?

I never said that the administration had anything to do with sportsmanship. Okay, I am going to need you to go back to the beginning of our conversation and read it through. This is confusing you.
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Katia Candace Nightingale
You didn't read my post at all, did you?

Why do you think that?

I'll make this easy.

You said:

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Yes, it may cause offence, but under the universal declaration of human rights, everyone has the right to free speech.


I said:

Omorose Panya
Free speech is limited.


Once again, I want you to quote what particular passage actually states that persons are permitted to say whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want. None of you are supporting your claims. Steam asked me to support mine. I did. I ask you all to support yours. You don't.

You're doing exactly what Setar is doing: avoiding the question. Am I to believe anything other than you don't have an actual reply? That you can't answer it? Because I don't understand why it is apparently so difficult for you to just answer the questions. Well, other than the fact that no government documents actually support your claims but that's a minor detail wink
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Katia Candace Nightingale
So much for an 'above average' understanding of law = I'm a 3rd year law student.

For which you ironically provide support by failing to prove me wrong.
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Omorose Panya
Katia Candace Nightingale
I believe that a school owes a responsibility to its student when that student is either in uniform or on the campus of the school. The internet may be public domain and publicly viewable, but that does not mean that the school has any right to comment on the thoughts or opinion of that student. Yes, it may cause offence, but under the universal declaration of human rights, everyone has the right to free speech.

Free speech is limited.

What actually states that the school has no right to comment or respond on anything that doesn't have to do with school. I have an above-average understanding of the law (if what is expressed in this thread can be considered average), but this keeps being brought up. I'll give you guys a chance to prove me wrong here.

Katia Candace Nightingale
After having a teacher ring my mother on the kind of discussion I was having with a friend in the foodcourt of the local shopping centre, my mother told her to 'kindly mind her own business and concentrate on in-school happenings rather than being a busybody'.

What you do on school grounds om school hours is the school's business. If it has to do with the school, then it is the school's business.


You didn't read my post at all, did you?

No, sweetheart, let's go back to the beginning.

You missed an entire half of my post when you quoted me the second time around.

I never said freedom of speech isn't limited. In fact, Australia does not have a right to freedom of speech. There are more censorship laws than freedom of speech laws.

Secondly, you said "What you do on school grounds om school hours is the school's business". Yes. I believe I said that in my own words in my own post. Thank you for repeating me. I needed it said back to me so I could understand it better, because I don't already know my own opinion.

Then you said "If it has to do with the school, then it's the school's business". Um. nope.

I think my old highschool is a piece of s**t, for sending teachers after their students on weekends and out of school hours, but what I think, my personal views and opinions is absolutely none of their business.
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Fighting Fefnir
Okay, you really are arguing out of your a**.

Howso?


I can't help you if you can't see it. Maybe you should go back and quote some s**t so I can make sure you're paying attention, huh?

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Fighting Fefnir
I may not have answered your (useless) question

You might want to work on that.


The question you posed is irrelevant, therefor I feel no need to answer it. In fact, in the context, it may very well be rhetorical.

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Fighting Fefnir
...but I very easily showed that you were disavowing a possible course of action the coach could take, which is entirely on topic. If anything, you should concede that your hypothetical is not valid.

How is it invalid?


Because you disavowed a possible course of action for the coach. That's the thing about hypothetical situations: they have more than one answer.

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Fighting Fefnir
Except that I have. It's been about facebook up until you changed your position out of nowhere.

Quote where I changed my position out of nowhere.

In fact, quote what my initial position was (just so I know you were paying attention) and then quote where I changed it.

Three quotes. I'll be patient.


Check your math, you asked for the same thing twice. Therefor, two quotes. Here, let me show you.

Original Topic
You play Soccer for your high school. You signed a contract. That contract states that you are not allowed to participate in any sport if you are caught drinking.

Your coach happens to find a picture of you on Myspace that was submitted two days ago entitled: "My friend Jessica and me piss-a** drunk and high at Dhara's party on Saturday".

This didn't happen at school. The coach and the student are not friends on Myspace. The student's profile, however, is set to public.

Should the coach be allowed to kick the person off the team? Furthermore, should the coach be allowed to kick Jessica and Dhara off the team if they also play?


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Omorose Panya
Fighting Fefnir
Only if your coach is a t**t. I've had arguments with coaches before, to their faces, and started games afterward, in soccer, basketball, and baseball.

I should clarify. I mean during meets and competitions and badmouthing the judges. Perhaps it is a sport/regional difference but you certainly get your team disqualified/point deductions for that. I witnessed it on several occasions (the latter, not the former. No one's that stupid blaugh )

But I do apologize for initially saying the wrong thing.

Fighting Fefnir
If it's unjustified, then it's not a valid example.

Sure it is, because it is a school rule that can be violated and is punishable.

Fighting Fefnir
I've never signed a contract to not badmouth my coach before. I have to NOT DO ILLEGAL THINGS, but never to not badmouth my coach.

Sorry for this miscommunication. Anyway, sportsmanship was always in the contracts I had to sign.


Bolded the change of subject.

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Fighting Fefnir
Just because it's a hypothetical doesn't mean it can ignore reality. Your situation does not apply in reality. Also entirely irrelevant to you having established it as a law.

1) It is not my situation. If you find the situation impractical, attack the OP---the one who made it---and not me.


See above quote, "original topic", where you made up the hypothetical situation.

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2) How is it illogical?


You've completely disavowed the coach's full range of options, locking him into one course of action rather than a range, which a normal person would have. Invalid by absolutes.

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3) Establishing what to a law?


Establishing that badmouthing a coach on Facebook is illegal, which is what you're implying.

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Fighting Fefnir
There is no law disallowing statements to be made on Facebook, or to talk negatively about someone online.

Once again, federal law is not the only one that matters.


Where did I specify Federal law?

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Ever noticed that your school handbook outlining the rules is not the Constitution? Yeah, that's because the school is allowed to have its own rules.


And throwing kids off a team for badmouthing them on Facebook is somehow against the rules of the school even though it wasn't established as such?

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Example: There is no federal or state or district law (that I am aware of. Feel free to post a link to the amendment that invalidates my statement) that forbids students from going on FB, Myspace, Twitter, etc., at school, yet most public grade schools (in America) deny access to them.


Red herring. We aren't debating Federal laws about website access, but what is said on those websites about the school.

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Fighting Fefnir
Not a school rule, a team rule. This also doesn't limit the free speech of the player.

It is not a school rule that, in order to be on a sports team, students must sign contracts, thereby agreeing to the team rules? Something cannot be required unless it is in the contract. Or, at least, the student does not have to do it unless it is in the contract.


It may not be required by the school to sign said contract. My soccer coach gave us a contract to sign that had nothing to do with a school stipulation. Whether or not it's a school rule is also entirely irrelevant to the consequences of said stipulation, and the coach's options.

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No one has absolute freedom of speech! Damn it! This is basic!


No one claimed that.

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Fighting Fefnir
Well, I don't know how you would post something on Facebook while on the field.

...What does that have to do with anything?


You said you weren't referring to off the field conduct when talking about posting something online?

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Fighting Fefnir
Facebook is OFF THE FIELD. You weren't even talking about judges before, and judges aren't a factor of the 'badmouthing your coach on facebook' line of debate going on!

I never said anything about badmouthing coaches on facebook.


That's what the OP is about, and what you and Setar were debating. Yes you did.

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What does it being off the field have to do with anything?


Your hypothetical is about posting something online, off the field. The OP you were debating is about posting things on Facebook, off the field. Rules of sportsmanship do not apply off the field in your definition, the one you linked.

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Fighting Fefnir
Wiki:

"Sportsmanship typically is regarded as a component of morality in sport, composed of three related and perhaps overlapping concepts: fair play, sportsmanship, and character.[2] Fair play refers to all participants having an equitable chance to pursue victory[3] and acting toward others in an honest, straightforward, and a firm and dignified manner even when others do not play fairly. It includes respect for others including team members, opponents, and officials.[4] Character refers to dispositions, values and habits that determine the way that person normally responds to desires, fears, challenges, opportunities, failures and successes and is typically seen in polite behaviors toward others such as helping an opponent up or shaking hands after a match. An individual is believed to have a “good character” when those dispositions and habits reflect core ethical values."

No where in there does it say 'coach' or 'school' or 'administration'. It says, and I'll bold it for you, "It includes respect for others including team members, opponents, and officials." Sportsmanship in what you quoted refers ONLY to on the field conduct.

Since when aren't judges considered officials?


Since when were you talking about judges, and what do judges have to do with online posting, like the rest of the debate has been?

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I never said that the administration had anything to do with sportsmanship. Okay, I am going to need you to go back to the beginning of our conversation and read it through. This is confusing you.


Wrong. If you look RIGHT ABOVE HERE, IN YOUR LAST POST, you said that the school may have a rule pertaining to forcing people to sign contracts with the coaches. The contract has the sportsmanship stipulation. Unfortunately, Sportsmanship only applies on the field by your definition, therefor the whole thing was pointless.

I understand the conversation, and I have been following it since the beginning. You, however, are making things up so that you can avoid your points being ruled invalid or irrelevant. Get your s**t in order.
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Lord Setar
Oh gee I dunno, maybe the rule shouldn't be in place?

Once again, your failure to answer the question shall be interpreted as your concession.

Lord Setar
Dunno. Maybe it's because this rule's existence and application are themselves arbitrarily defined?

You can't assume that it is arbitrarily defined just because it is not the same in every school. It does not need to be the same in ever school.

Do you even know the application? I bet you don't.

Lord Setar
Red herrings for epic fail.

Once again, you fail to respond. Another concession!

How does what I said have nothing to do with what you said?

Lord Setar
In what you did? Very much so.

Explain yourself, son. Note that you are the one riddling your posts with insults, not me.

Lord Setar
Two red herrings in one post? Jesus s**t, are you unable to justify the rule or does the concept of "different situations necessitate different courses of action relative to the given situation" simply elude your nonfunctional cerebrum?

How is it a red herring? You are saying that the difference matters. I am asking you to demonstrate how. You repeatedly keep refusing. Should I take this as your next concession?

I gave you an example of how acts need not be similar to have the same punishment because you keep implying that the fact that the acts are different matters. It doesn't. In that case, we wouldn't have so many crimes with so few punishments. (Note that the word "crime" implies that I am referencing the gov't.)

Lord Setar
Your lack of a functioning central nervous system doesn't constitute irony.

Like I said, you need to quit being sarcastic until you can do it correctly. What you said doesn't even make sense.

Lord Setar
All right, then, I concede that you cannot comprehend the difference between smoking and making a post on Facebook, and thus concede that your cerebral cortex is not functioning at levels that would be considered optimum for a member of Homo sapien sapiens.

Once again, demonstrate how smoking and making a comment on facebook are significantly different in the eyes of the school rules when they get you the same punishment (regarding the sports team).

This logic, once again, demonstrates how acts need not be similar in order to receive the same punishment. That is where the cheating vs. crack dealing scenario comes to play.

Lord Setar
It's your point, why don't you try explaining it? That is, if you have one...

Hint: Reread this entire thread if you must, because my point is on every page. I don't understand how I have been arguing with you for the longest and you don't know my point.

Lord Setar
Again. Explain it.

I stated that, if you want to be on a sport's team, then you need to follow the rules. Plain and simple.

Lord Setar
Is this your standard response to anything your nonfunctional CNS can't comprehend?

Like you telling me that I am shooting myself in the foot instead of actually answering my questions? The situations are still different though. I say "irony" to your sarcastic comments that have no real bearing on your point. You seem to think that "(insert something about shooting yourself in the foot)" is a valid response to questions.

Lord Setar
What question?

You don't even remember what we were talking about? Really, Setar, why are you still here?

Lord Setar
A hat trick of red herrings deserves a red hat. We were talking about alcohol, not steroids.

No. You were actually talking about illegal substances. The only thing you emphasized is the legal status.

In that case, I have to provide evidence that alcohol consumption affects gameplay?

As for your other comment, you said "see below" and never actually responded to the statement.

Lord Setar
Yes, yes, because obviously when your suboptimal CNS can't comprehend something it means either there's irony or you're right.

I don't understand why you think "You're shooting yourself in the foot" is so incredibly complex. What is there to process? Does it hold the secret to life or something? How does dismissing it as a stupid, worthless comment say anything about my CNS?

Once again, when you fail to answer a question and presume to insult me instead, I can only assume that you did so because you have no actual refute. Is a lack of refute not a sign that a concession is needed?

Lord Setar
Which means that illegal activities took place, thus justifying the course of action. Unless it's illegal to badmouth school administrators, your attempt at an analogy fails.

Once again, what does the legal status have to do with anything? Note that you haven't answered that yet.

Lord Setar
Yes, yes, because an action being legal or illegal is totally irrelevant to how it justifies being kicked off the team.

Sure it does. Correct me if I am wrong (with a quote from the constitution), but I am sure that cheating on a test = expulsion is not in the constitution. However, schools are allowed to expel students who cheat on tests because they have the freedom to make their own rules so long as they don't violate the law.

That means that someone can be kicked off the team for an action that is considered legal or illegal because the school is allowed to make its own rules.

Lord Setar
So the red herrings weren't enough

There were no red herrings.

Lord Setar
and now we're onto sheer intellectual dishonesty, then?

Explain.

Note that, once again, you didn't answer the question.

Lord Setar
Please, explain to me why I should respond to anything you say past this point with anything more than notes about how nonfunctional your central nervous system is.

You haven't thus far. Why start now?

Lord Setar
Please note that you've barely provided any questions for me to answer and that you have just ignored all of the answers I gave up to this point.

I have ignored none of your questions. I answered all of them. Deny that most of your responses consist of some irrelevant and childish assertion about my CNS or shooting myself in the foot. Post one instance of me insulting you instead of answering your question.

I'll wait.

Well, you're not actually going to answer the question, so there really is no point in answering.

The number of questions doesn't matter. Your job is to answer them. Your job is to refute my point. You have failed to do so up until this point.

Lord Setar
Oh, that's right, nonfunctional CNS making you assume that the reason the contract says "no drinking" isn't because the person signing the contract is not of legal drinking age.

I didn't say it had nothing to do with it. I said that's not all it has to do with. But I give you credit. Even though you couldn't do so like a mature individual, you actually answered the question.

Let's take this to college. OP never said it has to take place in HS. Let's assume the players in question are of legal drinking age. I'm pretty sure they're still not allowed to play while under the influence.

Lord Setar
It would be the reason that the state does not allow people over a certain age to participate. Most of their competition would be younger and more than likely less skilled.

What does that have to do with anything? Let's say there are two students on a soccer team. One has been playing since elementary school and the other has been playing since Freshman year. They shouldn't be allowed to play on the same team because the former is likely better than the latter? If everyone is on the same level, then what would be the point of competing?

Lord Setar
Of course, the actual reasoning itself isn't the point of contention, the point of contention is whether or not the limit exists and what the limit itself is. You're just pulling out the fourth red herring of this post.

I don't know what you're talking about here. I hypothesize that it makes no attempt to even address the point.

Once again, you didn't answer the questions.

Lord Setar
Only because your CNS is, as I said, not functioning properly.

Once again, you fail to do what was requested.



Well. You answered one question so far.
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Fighting Fefnir
I can't help you if you can't see it. Maybe you should go back and quote some s**t so I can make sure you're paying attention, huh?

You are the only one who needs to support your claims. If you can't do that, then don't make them.

Fighting Fefnir
The question you posed is irrelevant, therefor I feel no need to answer it. In fact, in the context, it may very well be rhetorical.

If I am asking you to answer it, then it is obviously mot rhetorical.

Fighting Fefnir
Because you disavowed a possible course of action for the coach. That's the thing about hypothetical situations: they have more than one answer.

I disavowed which possible course of action?

Fighting Fefnir
Check your math, you asked for the same thing twice. Therefor, two quotes.

Brilliant deduction.

Fighting Fefnir
Here, let me show you.

That isn't my first post, in case you're hunting for that. And read what I was responding to. I was providing an example, which is not considered off-topic. Furthermore, how does it contradict my initial point?

Fighting Fefnir
Bolded the change of subject.

I didn't change the subject. I said that I had said the wrong thing. Besides, that conversation was no longer about the scenario I proposed. My post to Setar (the one you quoted) was about getting kicked off a team. You totally started our current conversation.

Fighting Fefnir
See above quote, "original topic", where you made up the hypothetical situation.

I thought you were talking about the OP. Now you need to explain to me how it is illogical. You did that below.

Fighting Fefnir
You've completely disavowed the coach's full range of options, locking him into one course of action rather than a range, which a normal person would have. Invalid by absolutes.

When did I do that? I said that coaches cannot enforce something that is not outlined in the contract (implying that she student never agreed to it). If that is illogical then the system itself is illogical.

Fighting Fefnir
Establishing that badmouthing a coach on Facebook is illegal, which is what you're implying.

I never once implied that.

Fighting Fefnir
Where did I specify Federal law?

Strike out federal. No law. There. Was that irrelevant nitpick worth it?

Once again, you are working under the assumption that schools cannot have their own rules which is not the case.

Fighting Fefnir
And throwing kids off a team for badmouthing them on Facebook is somehow against the rules of the school even though it wasn't established as such?

1) You didn't acknowledge the point.
2) Why are you assuming that it wasn't established as such? Once again, students are generally not allowed to play on these sports teams without signing a contract. That's probably a state rule, not an individual school rule. That implies that the student agrees to the rules, which were assumedly outlined in the contract. If the student did not agree to them, then he or she is not liable. However, if he or she did (which is implied by his or her team status), then he or she must follow the rules and the school is allowed to punish them accordingly.

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Example: There is no federal or state or district law (that I am aware of. Feel free to post a link to the amendment that invalidates my statement) that forbids students from going on FB, Myspace, Twitter, etc., at school, yet most public grade schools (in America) deny access to them.


Fighting Fefnir
Red herring. We aren't debating Federal laws about website access, but what is said on those websites about the school.

It doesn't matter. Once again, you keep implying that schools cannot have their own rules. You're implying that by stating and restating the legal status of team rules. "It is not illegal to badmouth a coach." So what? It does not need to be written in any lawbook because schools have their own private rules. The example I gave merely illustrates my point.

Why is this so hard for you guys to grasp?

Fighting Fefnir
It may not be required by the school to sign said contract.

Then the school cannot kick the student off the team. Understand that the studente in question need to agree to the terms.

Fighting Fefnir
My soccer coach gave us a contract to sign that had nothing to do with a school stipulation. Whether or not it's a school rule is also entirely irrelevant to the consequences of said stipulation, and the coach's options.

Once again, if it is not in the contract then you don't have to do it. You never agreed to it.

Fighting Fefnir
No one claimed that.

You did when you said:

"This also doesn't limit the free speech of the player."

Which implies that speech is not already limited.

Fighting Fefnir
You said you weren't referring to off the field conduct when talking about posting something online?

You're starting to fry my brain.

Fighting Fefnir
That's what the OP is about, and what you and Setar were debating. Yes you did.

Skim through my posts from the beginning.

Fighting Fefnir
Your hypothetical is about posting something online, off the field. The OP you were debating is about posting things on Facebook, off the field. Rules of sportsmanship do not apply off the field in your definition, the one you linked.

Sportsmanship was one thing I mentioned. That was specifically about badmouthing the judges to their faces. I never applied sportsmanship to anything else so I'd appreciate if you stop acting like I did.

My hypothetical situation was not about sportsmanship. It was about giving coaches reason to believe that their team members were not following the rules.

Fighting Fefnir
Since when were you talking about judges, and what do judges have to do with online posting, like the rest of the debate has been?

Since you jumped into the conversation? You haven't been paying attention at all.

I said:

"I should clarify. I mean during meets and competitions and badmouthing the judges."

That was my first post to you, which implies that you haven't been paying attention since the beginning.

The comment you responded to was:

Me: "Yeah, and? There's a big difference between badmouthing a coach to his/her face and snorting a line, but both will get you kicked off the team."

Which was illustrating the point that dissimilar actions can have similar or the same punishment. Setar seems to disagree though common sense disagrees with him.

Fighting Fefnir
Wrong. If you look RIGHT ABOVE HERE, IN YOUR LAST POST, you said that the school may have a rule pertaining to forcing people to sign contracts with the coaches. The contract has the sportsmanship stipulation. Unfortunately, Sportsmanship only applies on the field by your definition, therefor the whole thing was pointless.

Okay. But I never said that the administration (e.g. teachers, vice principal) has to do with sportsmanship.

When you said:

"No where in there does it say 'coach' or 'school' or 'administration'."

You implied that I said something about the admin. I looked at the quoted you mentioned. By "last post," I don't know if you mean the last post I submitted or the last thing you quoted ("Since when were you talking about judges..." wink . Either way, I see nothing about administration being part of sportsmanship.

Fighting Fefnir
I understand the conversation, and I have been following it since the beginning.

You are a liar.

Fighting Fefnir
You, however, are making things up so that you can avoid your points being ruled invalid or irrelevant.

When did I make anything up?

Fighting Fefnir
Get your s**t in order.

Ditto.
What's funny is lawyers are using this as evidence in court now too. I was reading an article about a guy who injured a woman in a dui and later put a picture on facebook of him at a costume party wearing a jail uniform. The prosecuting attorney showed the picture to the judge and it was decided that he was in fact not remorseful about his actions and he would not receive a lighter sentence.
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You missed an entire half of my post when you quoted me the second time around.

Which is relevant how? Because I assume you're not assuming I didn't read it just because I didn't quote it.

Katia Candace Nightingale
I never said freedom of speech isn't limited. In fact, Australia does not have a right to freedom of speech. There are more censorship laws than freedom of speech laws.

What did you mean when you said, "Yes, it may cause offence, but under the universal declaration of human rights, everyone has the right to free speech"?

In that context, how does it not imply that everyone has unlimited freedom? (Note that you are stating that the school has no right to do anything because of everyone's right to free speech, which implies that the school cannot set limits, which implies that everyone's speech isn't limited.)

Katia Candace Nightingale
Secondly, you said "What you do on school grounds om school hours is the school's business". Yes. I believe I said that in my own words in my own post. Thank you for repeating me. I needed it said back to me so I could understand it better, because I don't already know my own opinion.

You couldn't waste less interwebz space to say that? Sarcasm doesn't work well when it goes on and on and on.

Katia Candace Nightingale
Then you said "If it has to do with the school, then it's the school's business". Um. nope.

Howso?

"Um, nope" is not an explanation.

Katia Candace Nightingale
I think my old highschool is a piece of s**t, for sending teachers after their students on weekends and out of school hours, but what I think, my personal views and opinions is absolutely none of their business.

I still think it depends on what you said. If you were planning to blow the school up, for instance, then it certainly is the school's business despite your location. I have no idea what you're talking about so I can't really respond beyond saying that I disagree and why.
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What's funny is lawyers are using this as evidence in court now too. I was reading an article about a guy who injured a woman in a dui and later put a picture on facebook of him at a costume party wearing a jail uniform. The prosecuting attorney showed the picture to the judge and it was decided that he was in fact not remorseful about his actions and he would not receive a lighter sentence.

1) What's wrong with using what people publicly (stupidly) display online as evidence? It's like how what's thrown away in a public trashcan is public property.
2) Was it meant to be amusing or mocking? If so, then it is evidence that he was showing no remorse.
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Well. I am going to bed. Night.

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