School Uniforms. warning wall of text.

[Fury of Jude]

TigerlilyMae

HehFire

You said uniforms in general are more expensive. I said mine isn't. I don't see a hole you proved in my arguement.

So, wait...I never said mine was for everyone. But, now you're passing yours as all. Hypocrite?

No, but you never admitted that uniforms can be cheaper, and they are, as long as you know how to spend money correctly.

TigerlilyMae

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that was either a strike at uniform inhibiting socializing or a totally irrelevant statement.

Oh, please, learn to read. You claimed that school wasn't a place for anything but education. I clarified that you go to school, not only to educate yourself in the maths and sciences, but in socialization, too. It wasn't a strike at anything...please not to put words in my mouth. Again.

I'm sorry, I just don't grasp what your trying to convey. The fact that a place where they group people together is OBVIOUSLY a social environment. I don't see why the social aspect is even relevant.

TigerlilyMae

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REALLY. I'm sorry, but have you looked at all the little cliques? They all dress oddly similar... Same idea applies.

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Total bullshit. If people didn't base opinions on clothes we wouldn't be having a discussion on uniforms.

The only reason we had uniforms was because the School Board wanted easy regulation on girls who wore low riders, and too tight shirts. It had nothing to do with opinions upon clothes. My Goddess.

And, no, we didn't have cliques, again. We blended. We didn't judge. We met, based upon personality and interests, and bonded.

Dear God, people are debating how uniforms make you a social outcast, I say it doesn't, you say clothes don't make a difference on people's opinions. Doesn't that mean we agree on at least that concept?

TigerlilyMae

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First, your statement is condescending. Second, I never said they go away, I said it takes away one thing for them to make fun of you for. Third, we only made fun of kids for a lack of social grace or hand-eye coordination, something they can improve on. Kids can't change what kind of clothes their family can afford.

Condescending, how? The 'sweetie'? Babe, that's just how I speak. It's not anything against you, nor anyone.

Exactly, kids can't change the clothes they can afford. But a bully doesn't give a s**t about that. A clothes bully is a clothes bully, no matter what the attire is.

And, why pick on anyone, at all? A little consideration goes a long way.

The way you speak has no bearing on how you type. Some of the most articulate people I know tlk lyk ths. But sure, fine.

No. Wrong. A clothes bully doesn't exist. Bullies are either bullies or they aren't. They don't pick on particular things, if they do, people stick up to them because they cease to ridicule when their material gets old. If they have no clothes to make fun of, sure they'll move on, but they have one less thing to poke at.

You really don't understand the mindset do you. Either you were VERY sheltered, or you're delusional.

[YueWist]

I don't really have a problem with it because most of the jobs in the world have some kind of uniform!

[chloe-jodz]

I guess you could Say 'Uniforms are smart'
They show off your school and hopefully in a good way.
I wear school uniform since and I would agree our schools uniform is expensive since we have both a winter and summer uniform and everything is pretty expensive stare
But I don't have to much of a problem although I would agree that casual does express your self a bit more and in some cases casual makes students feel more comfortable while working. If I could wear jeans all year I would since their more comfortable to me then shorts or a skirt during the winter.

[Society of Shadows]

Although your opinion can be totally argued against, I am against uniforms.

I don't want to see robots at school. Although preppy girls do turn me on.

[Wings110]

The only problem I have against is uniforms is the one I have to wear. -.-
The skirt flys up when it's windy, and the top button is often restrictive and uncomfortable.

I do agree with the principle of a uniform as a method of keeping everyone the same, and virtually on the same level. It means I don't have to worry about what I'm going to wear everyday.

As for the teasing, if every one is wearing the same uniform no one is going to tease someone else for wearing it, as they will be wearing it as well. Although, I remember a casual day where a girl wore a plaid shirt, and there was much gossiping/bitching about it x.x

Kids are going to tease eachother no matter what clothing they wear, and clothing is one of the most obvious things to judge on, just because it's easily noticed. It just cancels out one of the things a kid can be teased about. Of course, your arguement that they could change their clothes could lead kids into being mindless sheep. That kinda cancels out your creativity point. If students have to wear 'popular' clothes to be accepted then that might as well be a type of uniform itself. Also, in my experience the 'popular' clothes also tend to be more expensive than regular clothes. Add in the fact that it is expected to wear something different everyday, I'm sure the cost would add up to more than a uniform.

[fanzbeans]

I generally agree with you...
but sometimes I wish I didn't have to take long planning my outfits... a school uniform seems easier...

[Sand_Coffin]

it wasn't easy for me toadjust to uniforms after elementary school, but ive been going to the same school for 4 years now, starting the 5th. At this point a uniform is simply something im used to. Quite honestly, though uniforms themselves can be costly, it actually saves some money in the long run, as i wouldnt be as likely to buy several different shirts at once only to know i can show them off on weekends. With free dress at schools, kids trying to be popular will go out of their way to spend much more money on name brand stuff just to show it off for a week. Atleast with uniforms you can keep it simple, and since most of the time the stuff will fit for a year or 2, you dont have to constantly get more.

[The Ghost of j0sh]

hi im now just lookin for a lil more money so how it work the more i wright the more money i get or what ?

[CrystalStarLight77]

Why the fudge make everyone dress the same? Its not going to hurt kids just by dressing differently. Unless it hurts them practically, if the have a hate message on it or they are exposing their private parts I don't see any reason to do that. Just say to not dress in those ways.

School is about learning and self expression encourages creativity, which is a vital for a person to learn about themselves. Our society would be so much more loving if we could respect each other for our differences. It is a virtue because it helps us carry each other as a society. Making everyone dress the same doesn't teach children that, it teaches them to not accept difference in people. If they were allowed to express themselves they would have the chance to see how to get along with people who are different.

Some people say it will stop bullying but it doesn't at all. The true bullies problem isn't the kid they are picking on but the problem is in the bully themselves. Instead giving in to the bullies demands and make the kids not have their individuality, we need to go after the source of the problem, the bully.

With every person comes an independent mind and with that comes their own individual story, personality and tastes. That is a good thing that should be embraced.

[shureloche]

Here are some of the real benefits of school uniforms.

1. Cost to the parents.

School uniforms are cheaper, and not everyone is going to the salvation army to shop so please keep your little fringe anomaly to yourself.

2. Security.

It is easy to see who belongs and who does not in school. Other schools could be infiltrated by people who do not belong for purposes of dealing and other bullshit. This at least keeps drugs and other stuff within the school body and where administration can more easily deal with it. Also, it can help to keep kids in school areas. If you see a uniform going off school grounds truant officers can react. Yes, children may change, but then they have to explain why they are walking through school out of uniform.

3. Administration issues are eliminated.

You don't have to have teachers and administrators judge what is appropriate or offensive anymore. You don't have students wearing offensive or inapropriate clothing into school. No more of this having to send kids home and call parents bullshit because some dumbass was wearing the wrong thing.

4. Time saved getting ready for school.

You don't have to spend any time or effort thinking about what you will wear tomorrow because you know. All that energy you spent trying to express yourselkf in a fairly meaningless way can now be put into other things like study (Yeah right), or more importantly play.


There are other issues it might or might not combat. Gangs will always find a way to show their membership. However, these things are easier to spot in a uniformed student body. Then it is up to security and administration to do something about those issues. It isn't the uniforms fault they exist or not. Bullies and other violence is a problem that is out there no matter what. Something needs to be done, then do it. Uniforms will not make people stop beating others up, and they are just an excuse to beat someone up. Really, they were going to do it anyway. Target the problem and not the uniform. Of course, one could say there is safety in numbers and if you have a whole bunch of kids in uniform and one bully you should be able to gang up and beat him.

[Fenris Drakon]

shureloche

Here are some of the real benefits of school uniforms.

1. Cost to the parents.

School uniforms are cheaper, and not everyone is going to the salvation army to shop so please keep your little fringe anomaly to yourself.

OBJECTION!

It's quite clear that there are quite alot of people who find school uniforms considerably MORE expensive. And considering if uniforms were NOT mandatory, then you don't exactly have to buy the latest high street fashion patern. You can still wear something simple and not very expensive. Jeans here in the UK can cost as little as £4. Now how are school uniforms cheaper than that?

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2. Security.

It is easy to see who belongs and who does not in school. Other schools could be infiltrated by people who do not belong for purposes of dealing and other bullshit.

Paranoia anyone? Why not just have a mandatory pin-on badge to itentify them with the school?

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This at least keeps drugs and other stuff within the school body and where administration can more easily deal with it. Also, it can help to keep kids in school areas. If you see a uniform going off school grounds truant officers can react. Yes, children may change, but then they have to explain why they are walking through school out of uniform.

Again, a mandatory badge can solve all these problems. Also, schools are supposed to promote indevidualism. How can they do that when they all LOOK THE SAME?

Another note I want to bring up; when I was in high school, you were considerd "cool" if you went against school regulations. As in, top buttons undone, ties down low or not on at all (I could have swarn I almost choaked on the ties at least once or twice. That's how bad they were), shirts untucked etc. If you didn't do this, then you were bullied. And I was bullied many times for how I wore my uniform. But not ONCE did I get any s**t for wearing casual stuff! Kids will be bullied REGARDLESS of what they are or aren't wearing.

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3. Administration issues are eliminated.

You don't have to have teachers and administrators judge what is appropriate or offensive anymore. You don't have students wearing offensive or inapropriate clothing into school. No more of this having to send kids home and call parents bullshit because some dumbass was wearing the wrong thing.

This should be something for the parents. Even in colleges here in the UK, there are some mild regulations for not wearing some things (E.G: Sandels for saftey reasons). Why can't there be just a simple set of school rules on top of the tons of other pointless s**t. Is "no offensive language" realy that hard to enforce?

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4. Time saved getting ready for school.

You don't have to spend any time or effort thinking about what you will wear tomorrow because you know. All that energy you spent trying to express yourselkf in a fairly meaningless way can now be put into other things like study (Yeah right), or more importantly play.

Do you realy think every person who will ever attend schools always spends hours each day nitpicking over what set of variouse fabrics they'll present each and every day? If anyone is realy like that, I'd say they have an OCD of some kind!

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There are other issues it might or might not combat. Gangs will always find a way to show their membership. However, these things are easier to spot in a uniformed student body.

Because Skinheads are realy ambiguouse unless they're dressed up fancy un-natural fabrics aren't they?

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Then it is up to security and administration to do something about those issues. It isn't the uniforms fault they exist or not. Bullies and other violence is a problem that is out there no matter what. Something needs to be done, then do it. Uniforms will not make people stop beating others up, and they are just an excuse to beat someone up.

Keep in mind my point earlyer about them still modifying their uniforms and picking on how you wear them. Uniforms does absaloutly nothing to prevent bullying via something you wear.

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Really, they were going to do it anyway. Target the problem and not the uniform. Of course, one could say there is safety in numbers and if you have a whole bunch of kids in uniform and one bully you should be able to gang up and beat him.

What relation does this have to school uniforms? If anything, they HINDER the reporting of bullies and lower ones self esteem. How? I've been a victem of bullying in the past. And I realise now that if I had been able to describe the kind of clothes they were wearing on the day, then it would have been easier to report them to the teachers if I couldn't remember their name. Plus, alot of the time I felt like putting on my uniform was preperations to dive into hell. OK, maybe it wasn't THAT bad, but it wasn't far off.

In school uniforms, most people I've talked to find them uncomfortable and hindering to the learning process. When people are in casual clothes, they are much more relaxed and comfortable. And so it's easier to concentrate on work. How do I know this? Experiance! I can also see this in an after school club in the primery school I work at. Everyone feels much more relaxed and have a better time when they aren't being made to look like everyone ellse.

[SpendTimeThisWay]

I am pro-uniform. Uniforms may cost more, but it helps the school to cut down on inappropriate dress; low-cut shirts, boxers showing, etc. I believe that uniforms cut down on time for getting ready for school. Since kids don't have to ultimately choose what to wear, because it is already picked for you, you also do not have to worry if it is in the school dress code. Although many people think that with uniforms show absolutely no personality, I think the opposite. It is possible to personalize a uniform with accessories, like a bandana, colored socks, pins/buttons, or even interesting shoes.Also, with uniforms, students don't have to worry about people judging them based on what clothes they wear if they can't afford the really expensive clothes. People can't judge others by how expensive their clothes are if they are all wearing basically the same thing.

[Prince Rilian]

If I had several uniform shirts/pants in my closet, it would take me 10 times as long to pick one of those as it does to choose from all the different shirts I have (and the pants take no time at all, because I always wear the same pair of jeans and wash it after one week).

[kazao-samma]

while some schools do have the stereotypical rich kids, everyone in my school is either lower middle class or dirt poor. i'm not even lying to you when i say this. so if expensive clothing is the issue for my school having uniforms then i really think that it's the school board members taking out their past aggressions on us, and trying to "protect the fragile young minds of our students" from the dangers of school bullying. point is there are still bullies in my school, and the only people that wear areopastale and hollister are the few lucky girls (my sister being one of them) that can beg their moms and dads enough to buy atleast one shirt for them. all those girls have jobs, however, so they usually pay for their own stuff (including my sister)

[Giraffe Sound]

To bad none of you see the beauty of conformity.

Where every thing is in it's place, everything is neat and proper, where everything can be controlled.

Muah HAHAHA