merixthexninja
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Teki
Let’s start with the cost. It has cost my mom more this semester in "Uniform" school clothes than any other year in any of the lives of me and my two siblings. Now at first I thought this was just us, because my sister got brand name polo's etc. So I talked to some other parents who have children attending my sister’s school all of which told me the same thing. That it cost them a small fortune.
Actually, considering the cost of clothing in stores, and having to have all sorts of different clothes to match I dont see uniforms cost being a factor as you do not need to buy nearly as much to accomplish the same thing. Also, depending on the uniform they are often better manufactured and able to stand up to wear and tear. Would you like me to post an actual cost comparison between the uniform clothing of some popular uniform providers and the cost of clothing in stores in the mall?
The people who can afford to shop at stores in the mall don't have to worry about not being able to afford uniforms. "do not need to buy nearly as much to accomplish the same thing" What are you talking about, there? Less clothing needed per outfit, or less outfits total? Both are wrong, by the way.
Thank you for actually offering up a real analysis of the options instead of just making assumptions.
Let us look at clothing first since you are making accusations. For a week of school you need minimum 5 shirts, 5 pairs of pants or skirts. 5 different pairs of socks, at least 3 different pairs of shoes if you are a girl, then earrings, headwear, and other accesories to go with the individual outfits. Then the next week you need more of the same. Seriously, what are you going to do, wear the same clothing week after week? Guys might be able to get away with something like this, but if you are a girl wearing the same outfit to school every week you are going to be laughed out of school. Now, you might save some money by mixing and matching outfits so you could wear different parts at different times, but really you are going to need at least 2 weeks of clothing.
Let us do some basic cost. (you would have trouble in walmart at these prices)
10 shirts dirt cheep 10 dollars a peice. 10 shorts/pants/skirts dirt cheap 10 dollars a peice. 3 pairs of shoes 15 dollars a peice. We will say you dont wear anything else like jewelry, hair accesories, hats, jackets, belts, or anything else.
You just spent 245 dollars. Of course, this is buying cheap walmart clothing
School uniforms. They are all the same, so if you and you don't want to wear the same uniform twice without washing you could probably get away with 3 days on your top and bottom. You have your single jacket which I never even mentioned up above. You have a pair of dress shoes and a pair of sneakers. You have the same number of socks, undewear, and other things as above.
So, let us analize the uniform prices. Quick search for a school uniform company.
Blouse 8-10 dollars (expensive 15-1
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shorts 12-13 dollars (expensive 17-20)
Jumper 12-13 dollars (expensive 18-20)
Skirts 11-13 dollars (expensive 15-1
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Let us do the addition. 3 of each uniform. Blouse or shirt, pair of pants/shorts or skirt. Then one pair of shoes bought at walmart (15 dollars). And we will even throw in a school jacket for 20 dollars. That is 104 dollars, and you are covered for the year for school. then you could buy the headbands, hats, or whatever else you want to accesorise with. So, let us say you spent 40 dollars on other things, you are still 100 dollars less than your walmart hanna montana clothing. You would probably get beaten up less in a uniform than if you were wearing walmarts hanna montana line.
Now, do I need to go to walmart and add up what 10 cheap outfits are actually going to run for you, or are you capable of actually doing the math. BTW the site is french toast a uniform provider for schools. Yes, you may get into a more expensive uniform depending on the prestige of your school. However, maybe you want to go to a cheaper school or bring it up with the board if you want a more reasonable uniform provider. Just because a school choses an expensive uniform provider does not mean it has to. Even so, if you had to pay 300 dollars for 3 uniforms you would be hard pressed to get 10 different full outfits at walmart for that price.
Your point is hereby disproven until you can offer up something other than the "i hate uniforms response.
merixthexninja
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Teki
I also believe kids should be able to choose what they wear and express themselves through their clothing (with in reason of course I don’t think kids should go to school naked or anything). Kids have everything chosen for them from when the go to bed to what they eat the least we can do is allowing them to pick out what shirt they wear each morning.
Are you an artist? I don't think so. Normally when we let children express themselves 90% of it is complete and utter crap. Really, what parts are you wanting to express? Could it be your tits, a**, legs, or whatever else you are going to expose when you go out and dress up as your favorite hollywood bimbo. When you let boys express themselves you normally get curse words and dumb a** porn drawings. OK, so maybe omne or two actual artists are in your school. They can go express themselves in many ways including art class, music, literature, drama club,. and all sorts of other ways people who actually want to express themselves in a worthwhile fasion express themselves. The fact that you cant wear a dental floss skirt and some pasties to school isn't hindering your expression. Some day you will be able to get your own pimp, get knocked up, and whore yourself out. Just maybe you will haqve a high school diploma when you do it.
So everyone who expresses themself through clothing is a whore? Wow, that's right up there with pro-lifers stating anyone who gets an abortion is promiscuous.
Well, calling them whores has about as much factuality as claiming they are an artist. Probably a bit more because I have seen what a lot of kids who are allowed to wear whatever they want wear and you aren't helping your cause any.
merixthexninja
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Teki
Lastly kids make fun of each other it’s a fact of life. When you put all the kids in the same clothing they no longer can make fun of the shirt or shorts you wear, so they will turn to more permanent things like your nose, freckles, weight, size of feet, teeth just about anything. Kid can change the kinds of clothes they wear; they can’t change their nose (at least not without costly surgery). I also think that uniforms lower self esteem. When I'm in my work uniform I certainly don't feel good about myself. When I'm in my street clothes thinking I look cute or whatever my self esteem is much higher. I can’t see it being different for a child.
Oh, so you want kids to be able to make fun of this oh so important self expression you were talking about a point ago? Wow, that makes a lot of sense. Like you said kids are going to make fun no matter what so the point is irrelevant. At least this way the people who make fun of you will have to do it in a dorky school uniform. See, there is a bright side to everything.
Isn't a major selling point of having uniforms so kids can't make fun of each other? Teki sunk your battleship.
Actually, if you were able to read what I said, and what she claimed, kids will do it no matter what so her point was moot as either way kids would do it. It would just be something different. i went a step further and showed how stupid her point was since she claimed her self expression was tied up in her clothing and she admits kids would be making fun of her for who she was rather than a uniform that really doesn't state anything.
Do you mind offering up a real argument and not proving that perhaps you need to study more and spend less time figuring out how to express yourself with your clothing.
