School Shootings: Is it really media?

[mustangssgt]

Royal_Pythonx

mustangssgt

or (because I'm paegan and don't kill bugs) these jerks were deliberately killing bugs in front of me, and when i tried to keep one safe, they slammed my hands together so it got squished in my hands. When I reported it to a teacher she replied "so I've got to worry about hurting your feelings every time i step on an ant?"

Sorry, your teacher kinda had a point there. I'm pretty sure that there aren't any rules in school against killing bugs. There's nothing that teacher could have done about that.
[Although I had this teacher once who almost tossed a boy out of my class 'cause he killed a fly.]

mustangssgt

********, I've brought recordings to teachers and they wouldn't listen to them.

Then you obviously brought it to the wrong teachers. Go to anyone, everyone. Go to the principal if it's that bad.
Tell your parents, if your parents complain to your school there is very little they can do to ignore it. I've have friends turn to it 'cause it was their only choice, and it worked a charm.

mustangssgt

Moving schools doesn't work either. After a while, you look like a victim. It's that look that women get after they've been raped once, that makes it so other rapists know that they'll be an easy target.

Okay, first of all, I think that it's overwhelmingly offensive to compare bullying to rape like that.
And honestly, I've never heard that theory before, ever! Are there even any studies to back that up? I didn't know that once you were raped your were more prone to being raped.

mustangssgt

I've had 1 parent beat his sons a** because he threatened my life. You know what most parents say? "My son wouldn't do that"

So it worked.

Oh, and there's always one way that it'll end. And that's leaving school.
Wait it out 'till you graduate and then it'll end. Obviously you didn't shoot up your school because you saw that it wasn't the only option.
Because killing never is.

Unwanted physical contact is assault. When he slapped my hands together, it was assault, regardless of if i only suffered a small scratch from it, zero tolerance policy should have had him suspended.

been through both. One lasts between 2 minutes and an hour, one lasts for up to 12 years.
http://www.musc.edu/vawprevention/research/survey.shtml
18% of females who were raped before they turned 18 were raped again as adults. I believe standard statistics are 1 in 10 females have been raped, which means their chances had doubled.
I didn't shoot up my school, but I really wanted to. I had a knowledge of weapons, access to the kind of tools which would allow me to make weapons, and friends who had weapons. I honestly think that many of the people who tortured me are only alive because I had Nick.

[Royal_Pythonx]

mustangssgt

Unwanted physical contact is assault. When he slapped my hands together, it was assault, regardless of if i only suffered a small scratch from it, zero tolerance policy should have had him suspended.

Then why didn't you have him arrested if he assaulted you?

mustangssgt

been through both. One lasts between 2 minutes and an hour, one lasts for up to 12 years.

I'd prefer to be bullied than raped. And I'm sure most rape victims would agree.
And that's not always true. People stuck in abusive relationships, in abusive families, could be subjected to rape for 12 years +. You could say bullying incidents might only last between 2 minutes to an hour as well, as it isn't constant.

mustangssgt

18% of females who were raped before they turned 18 were raped again as adults. I believe standard statistics are 1 in 10 females have been raped, which means their chances had doubled.

I heard that females have a 1 in 4 chance of being raped in their lifetime, but I could be wrong.
Does it say they were raped by the same person? Numbers aren't really enough, you need some sort of qualitative data for a study like that, especially for incidences of childhood rape. They could be sent back and put into the previous condition and situation where they had been raped before, which has nothing to do with playing the victim, but just circumstance.

mustangssgt

I didn't shoot up my school, but I really wanted to. I had a knowledge of weapons, access to the kind of tools which would allow me to make weapons, and friends who had weapons. I honestly think that many of the people who tortured me are only alive because I had Nick.

Yet another reason why the gun laws are ridiculous.

But you didn't. There was something there, if it was Nick, fair enough, that showed you it wasn't the only option. Because it isn't.
Do you regret not shooting up your school? Do you think your life would be better if you had?

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

eikocarol212

From my understanding, a lot of times, school shootings occur due to the fact that the student has been bullied to all hell and administration does nothing to help the child, and so they end up releasing their frustrations via a gun.

Bullying and School Shootings

The media, as some have said, does nothing but sensationalize it and also push an agenda a lot of times. Blaming video games and music does nothing to help their case.

I was bullied to hell in two schools. I know others that were bullied to hell. Why is it that everyone cites bullying as the reason despite other schoolkids putting up with bullying without resorting to mass murder? Also, I can safely conclude that all the teens I know who suffered the bullies did so while playing computer games and listening to music. SHOCKING.

[MoogleXMutant]

pulchritudinous soup

I do recommend that you take a peak at the trailer and see if you're interested in watching.

Hey, I found the entire movie on Youtube, I think I'll watch it, looks pretty good.

pulchritudinous soup

Question 1: Do you think that video games greatly influence adolescents to become violent to such a degree that they would, literally, shoot and kill others for their own benefit?

No, not greatly. They may put ideas in a select few peoples minds, but they don't instill violence. There has to be external factors beyond the game itself.

School violence has dropped, yet the video game industry has grown significantly
"....school assaults and other violence have dropped by nearly half in the past decade."
10 Myths about School Shootings

"Gaming had some major growth,...when the industry surged from $2.6 billion in sales to $7 billion between 1996 and 2000."
Video gaming estimated to be twice

pulchritudinous soup

Question 2: Is the Gothic trend worthy of blame?

Nope. School clubs are not stereo-type specific. Though there is wide variety of private communities(mafias, cults) that are specifically for a ethnic or religious group. If being apart of a club is worthy enough for blame; place the blame on the club not the members clothes.

One shooting is not enough to support a real strong conclusion

"In many cases, students were considered in the mainstream of the student population and were active in sports, school clubs or other activities.

Only one-quarter of the students hung out with a group of students considered to be part of a “fringe group.”"
10 Myths about School Shootings

pulchritudinous soup

Question 3: Was it appropriate to blame Marilyn Manson? Can music influence someone to do something as violent as this?

Music is one things I'm am very passionate about. Songs I favor I have a lot of respect for. When I attended highschool (due to my age) I was more prone to agree with lyrics; especially if I liked the way it sounded. Yes, it's stupid- everyone goes through a phase like that at one point or another. They just want to find meaning for all the bad s**t that happens in this world... It's in that meaning that an individual could see justification to commit such an act.

Music isn't making anyone violent, but it may be sending them messages like nobody's innocent. Allowing them to find some justification for acting on violent impulses.

pulchritudinous soup

Which is responsible?

The media?

Or

The bullying?

Ultimately, the kid with the gun. The bullying is runner up. Followed by the media, It does part of the brainstorming in the early parts of the going-crazy process.

[mustangssgt]

Royal_Pythonx

mustangssgt

Unwanted physical contact is assault. When he slapped my hands together, it was assault, regardless of if i only suffered a small scratch from it, zero tolerance policy should have had him suspended.

Then why didn't you have him arrested if he assaulted you?

mustangssgt

been through both. One lasts between 2 minutes and an hour, one lasts for up to 12 years.

I'd prefer to be bullied than raped. And I'm sure most rape victims would agree.
And that's not always true. People stuck in abusive relationships, in abusive families, could be subjected to rape for 12 years +. You could say bullying incidents might only last between 2 minutes to an hour as well, as it isn't constant.

mustangssgt

18% of females who were raped before they turned 18 were raped again as adults. I believe standard statistics are 1 in 10 females have been raped, which means their chances had doubled.

I heard that females have a 1 in 4 chance of being raped in their lifetime, but I could be wrong.
Does it say they were raped by the same person? Numbers aren't really enough, you need some sort of qualitative data for a study like that, especially for incidences of childhood rape. They could be sent back and put into the previous condition and situation where they had been raped before, which has nothing to do with playing the victim, but just circumstance.

mustangssgt

I didn't shoot up my school, but I really wanted to. I had a knowledge of weapons, access to the kind of tools which would allow me to make weapons, and friends who had weapons. I honestly think that many of the people who tortured me are only alive because I had Nick.

Yet another reason why the gun laws are ridiculous.

But you didn't. There was something there, if it was Nick, fair enough, that showed you it wasn't the only option. Because it isn't.
Do you regret not shooting up your school? Do you think your life would be better if you had?

it's not gun laws. it is ridiculously easy to make a gun that is also a functional radio.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's good to shoot up a school, or that I wish I had, I just strongly empathize with the killers in these situations.

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

mustangssgt

it's not gun laws. it is ridiculously easy to make a gun that is also a functional radio.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's good to shoot up a school, or that I wish I had, I just strongly empathize with the killers in these situations.

It's not gun laws? I mean, I know there's never been a high incidence of school shootings in the UK but since tight gun laws, there hasn't even been a sniff of them here.

I was bullied to ******** and I don't emphasize at all. I see them as weak for being unable to deal with their problems in a socially acceptable manner.

[Royal_Pythonx]

mustangssgt

it's not gun laws. it is ridiculously easy to make a gun that is also a functional radio.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's good to shoot up a school, or that I wish I had, I just strongly empathize with the killers in these situations.

It's not just a coincidence that the US has such a high rate of school shootings in comparison to other countries and also have leniant gun laws. It's next to impossible to get a gun over here, unless your with some sort of paramilitary group, and I've never heard of a school shooting happening here.

I empathize with them as well. I never said I didn't.
I just don't think bullying is a valid excuse. I mean, there are reasons, and there are excuses. You can understand the reasons without excusing the action.
And there are definitely other options than shooting up your school, you're a good example of it. It's not the only choice.

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Royal_Pythonx

mustangssgt

it's not gun laws. it is ridiculously easy to make a gun that is also a functional radio.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's good to shoot up a school, or that I wish I had, I just strongly empathize with the killers in these situations.

It's not just a coincidence that the US has such a high rate of school shootings in comparison to other countries and also have leniant gun laws. It's next to impossible to get a gun over here, unless your with some sort of paramilitary group, and I've never heard of a school shooting happening here.

I empathize with them as well. I never said I didn't.
I just don't think bullying is a valid excuse. I mean, there are reasons, and there are excuses. You can understand the reasons without excusing the action.
And there are definitely other options than shooting up your school, you're a good example of it. It's not the only choice.

Yeah, but it'd be hypocritical of me to say look for other options when I just got lucky.

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

mustangssgt

Royal_Pythonx

mustangssgt

it's not gun laws. it is ridiculously easy to make a gun that is also a functional radio.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's good to shoot up a school, or that I wish I had, I just strongly empathize with the killers in these situations.

It's not just a coincidence that the US has such a high rate of school shootings in comparison to other countries and also have leniant gun laws. It's next to impossible to get a gun over here, unless your with some sort of paramilitary group, and I've never heard of a school shooting happening here.

I empathize with them as well. I never said I didn't.
I just don't think bullying is a valid excuse. I mean, there are reasons, and there are excuses. You can understand the reasons without excusing the action.
And there are definitely other options than shooting up your school, you're a good example of it. It's not the only choice.

Yeah, but it'd be hypocritical of me to say look for other options when I just got lucky.

No it wouldn't. Encouraging someone else to take an alternative route is hardly something which should be tossed away over claims or feelings of hypocrisy.

[Royal_Pythonx]

mustangssgt

Royal_Pythonx

mustangssgt

it's not gun laws. it is ridiculously easy to make a gun that is also a functional radio.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's good to shoot up a school, or that I wish I had, I just strongly empathize with the killers in these situations.

It's not just a coincidence that the US has such a high rate of school shootings in comparison to other countries and also have leniant gun laws. It's next to impossible to get a gun over here, unless your with some sort of paramilitary group, and I've never heard of a school shooting happening here.

I empathize with them as well. I never said I didn't.
I just don't think bullying is a valid excuse. I mean, there are reasons, and there are excuses. You can understand the reasons without excusing the action.
And there are definitely other options than shooting up your school, you're a good example of it. It's not the only choice.

Yeah, but it'd be hypocritical of me to say look for other options when I just got lucky.

Actually, it's hypocritical of you not to say look for other options.

"I had options, I got lucky. But you won't, so go shoot your fellow students."?

You should always tell someone to look for other options anyway if they're considering homicide and suicide... it's kind of the responsible sane thing to do.

[Irahatam]

If one has mental issues it could be dangerous to isolate one self too long with games. But then that goes for any thing that one could over indulge in.
To murder is wrong. Those who go on shooting rampages know this and they're trying to hurt others to relieve their own pain at whatever they feel brutalized by.
But brutalized by a bully or not, they still need to be held accountable for their actions.
It's not the media.

[Blind Guardian the 2nd]

Irahatam

If one has mental issues it could be dangerous to isolate one self too long with games. But then that goes for any thing that one could over indulge in.
To murder is wrong. Those who go on shooting rampages know this and they're trying to hurt others to relieve their own pain at whatever they feel brutalized by.
But brutalized by a bully or not, they still need to be held accountable for their actions.
It's not the media.

I'd say it goes for anyone with identifiable mental disorders. neutral

There's a certain amount of involvement. I truthfully think that TV news does itself no favours when it comes to murder.